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Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.09.22 03:44:00 - [1] - Quote "New build due end of the month" "New PS3 Slim to launch September 25th with Dust 514 bonus content" "Dust 514 at TGS" "Open beta 2012" "AUR changes September 24th". If you connect all the dots, you'll realize something big is coming SOONGäó, something involving a new build, an open beta, an influx of new players, and a big shiny announcement to glue it all together. However, the announcement should come first, not the event. My question, is where is the announcement? You've only got three more days til the 25th CCP, you choking? My point is, we need news. We as beta testers, need to prepare for what's coming. Also, you as a company have to create some new hype, because honestly, there is very little hype about Dust 514 right now. If you announce your big event on the same day that it happens, how many people do you think will attend? If I told you I today, that I was going to throw a party yesterday, do you think you would come? News CCP, it's good for the community, and it's good for your wallet. *Edit #1:* Good job CCP, you released some news! Unfortunately those of us that are playing for free are completely unaffected by it. I hope this doesn't mean you're planning on the next wave of users playing on Precursor, because quite plainly, it's unimpressive and not much fun after about half an hour. *Edit #2:* Forum activity is quite low, possibly due to lack of interest in the game? Maybe the lack of information provided has something to do with this? hint, hint Don't get me wrong CCP, I like surprises, but being completely left in the dark leaves very little room for excitement. *Edit #3:* A point made by Gnaar Amarr, which I have expanded upon. The new PS3 Super Slim is set to launch with Dust 514 bonus content, so it's a simple task to infer that it will also include beta access. Now, there have been tons upon tons of reports of system crashes, hard freezes, soft freeze, infinite load screens, various other possibly system damaging bugs, all of these made in times of both E3, and Precursor. There have even been reports of people having to physically unplug their PS3 because the hard shutdown (hold the button for 30 seconds) didn't work, and as well there have been reports of outright system failures ("My PS3 is BORKED man!"). This is all important, because if the new PS3 Super Slim does launch with access to Precursor, tons of people are going to be reporting all over the web "My PS3 came with the game that broke it!" "I got the YLOD from Dust 514!" and various things of the like. Launching the new PS3 with Precursor would be terrible for CCP and Sony because competitors would say "Hey look, Sony can't deliver a sturdy product, and CCP breaks your system right out of the box!" It would be terrible marketing for both companies. *Edit #4:* With only -20- hours left on the clock, can CCP push out a decent build for the incoming beta testers? Can they prove to the community that $30 of bonus Dust 514 content made the new PS3 Super Slim a worthy investment? No one knows just yet! Find out tomorrow on the next episode of Terrible Marketing Skills (Level 1)! Edit #5: In only 3 and a half hours it will be September 25th in Iceland, and it will be 7(eastern)/8(central)/9(mountain)/10(pacific) and a half hours in the U.S. So CCP, are you ready for all the new-comers with PS3 Super Slims to play for an hour and leave due to crashes, freezes, and "Server Is Full"?
GAGAH-BOY BRAZIL 66	Posted - 2012.09.22 03:52:00 - [2] - Quote The DUST Marketing is one of the worst I have ever seen ! If you ask someone what is DUST 514 no one will know. Need more disclosure
Jane DeArc Militaires Sans Jeux 87	Posted - 2012.09.22 03:53:00 - [3] - Quote Veigar Mordekaiser wrote: "New build due end of the month" "New PS3 Slim to launch with Dust 514 bonus content" "Dust 514 at TGS" "Open beta 2012". If you connect all the dots, you'll realize something big is coming SOONGäó, something involving a new build, an open beta, an influx of new players, and a big shiny announcement to glue it all together. However, the announcement should come first, not the event. My question, is where is the announcement? You've only got three more days til the 25th CCP, you choking? My point is, we need news. We as beta testers, need to prepare for what's coming. Also, you as a company have to create some new hype, because honestly, there is very little hype about Dust 514 right now. If you announce your big event on the same day that it happens, how many people do you think will attend? If I told you I today, that I was going to throw a party yesterday, do you think you would come? News CCP, it's good for the community, and it's good for your wallet. We as beta players already have the skills needed to land on our feet with a running start. There's no reason to ruin the surprise, suspense, and whatever awesomeness they have tucked away for everyone.
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.09.22 03:53:00 - [4] - Quote Yet if you ask what EVE most people get a dreamy look and say "that space game?". I'm confused about how CCP can suck so bad at market Dust 514, when EVE effectively advertises itself.
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.09.22 03:56:00 - [5] - Quote Jane DeArc wrote: We as beta players already have the skills needed to land on our feet with a running start. There's no reason to ruin the surprise, suspense, and whatever awesomeness they have tucked away for everyone. If this new build is supposed to dramatically improve the game, then all those that have given up with Precursor/E3 wont know something big is coming, because CCP has said nothing. We as beta testers are supposed to test the game, find the bugs, and suggest the fixes, that is our primary function. However, we also create the hype, we tell our friends about this epic game we are testing (within the bounds of the NDA) and give them our extra beta keys. We are as much an advertising group as we are a testing group.
crazy space ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2012.09.22 04:57:00 - [6] - Quote I'm confused, People are saying that the new build is playable at TGS....
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.09.22 04:59:00 - [7] - Quote Yet CCP has given no news, statements, patchnotes, or tidbits to the community. Where are people saying it's playable at TGS? Are there any videos?
crazy space ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2012.09.22 05:06:00 - [8] - Quote I can't find anything >.< onluy comdr wang on twiiter tlking about being at TGS and playing dust. Maybe it won't be on the floor until saturday?
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.09.22 05:08:00 - [9] - Quote Don't know, but they need to learn how to post news on the forums, as not all of us use twitter, and not all of us can watch the IRC like eagles.
Brezz Nonsan Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 11	Posted - 2012.09.22 05:11:00 - [10] - Quote Didn't you hear? The marketing guys are all [INVALID]

Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.09.22 14:32:00 - [11] - Quote Brezz Nonsan wrote: Didn't you hear? The marketing guys are all [INVALID] They must be. I just watched a video from TGS, don't know if the footage was prerecorded or not, but it was definitely Precursor. If they're showing that at TGS they are going to have a lot of unimpressed gamers.
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 437	Posted - 2012.09.22 14:43:00 - [12] - Quote First off, the devs can play any build they want, as it is only distribution through PSN that is being run through Sony QA. Secondly, CCP doesn't necessarily know exactly when Sony gets through testing a build. IIRC the last couple times they announced only an 'expected sometime next week' kind of announcement. Thirdly, CCP has said multiple times that they're going to grow DUST in the same way as EVE, slowly at start and continuously rather than the typical flash-mob followed by slow decline.
Avenger 245 Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 477	Posted - 2012.09.22 16:00:00 - [13] - Quote I dont use twitter and I cant get on to irc I wpuld want some news from the devs here on the forums, something as simple as were hoping to dobthis oe we got this ready or we want to test this.
Swufy Gnomenclatur Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 10	Posted - 2012.09.22 16:07:00 - [14] - Quote Still, I'd like at LEAST a teaser trailer. I just rewatched the E3 video and got all excited again. We need something like that, a teaser to get us theorycrafting about what they will put in the next build. Also, an announcement that says, "Sometime this week, you'll see a patch, as soon as it clears Sony." Here's my question, they submit to Sony and Sony tests it for a week and either accepts it or rejects it. Doesn't this process seem meaningless when WE'RE the testers and Sony let Precursor through with the freeze of death during gameplay that forces me to pull the power cord to restart my system? Why doesn't Sony just wait until Open Beta or Release before doing their whole certification process? Or just assign a small team to consistently test Dust on a weekly basis? I think Sony is soaking in money from CCP considering most games only have to be certified once for release and once for major patches (barring failures). Loosen up Sony and give us our build!
INVALID FITTING Bragian Order Amarr Empire 17	Posted - 2012.09.22 16:21:00 - [15] - Quote Brezz Nonsan wrote: Didn't you hear? The marketing guys are all [INVALID] Don't blame this on me, I had nothing to do with it
Brahma El Indio Bragian Order Amarr Empire 171	Posted - 2012.09.22 16:42:00 - [16] - Quote MAG had poor marketing and look what happened to that game....
Brumae Verres 24	Posted - 2012.09.22 16:54:00 - [17] - Quote First time I heard about EVE it was two years old. I heard about Dust three months before beta started. I'd say that's a good increase in marketing. I don't see what the hype is about. We are testers. This doesn't give us any special privileges IMO
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 1903	Posted - 2012.09.22 17:03:00 - [18] - Quote Forum and game activity always take a dip near the end of a build, thanks to impending resets and most active players left over being tryhards with lots and lots of SP.
Xavier Hastings ZionTCD Legacy Rising 243	Posted - 2012.09.22 17:16:00 - [19] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Forum and game activity always take a dip near the end of a build, thanks to impending resets and most active players left over being tryhards with lots and lots of SP. I'm still here because the Forums are drop dead hilarious at times.
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 437	Posted - 2012.09.22 17:33:00 - [20] - Quote Swufy Gnomenclatur wrote: Here's my question, they submit to Sony and Sony tests it for a week and either accepts it or rejects it. Doesn't this process seem meaningless when WE'RE the testers and Sony let Precursor through with the freeze of death during gameplay that forces me to pull the power cord to restart my system? Why doesn't Sony just wait until Open Beta or Release before doing their whole certification process? Or just assign a small team to consistently test Dust on a weekly basis? I think Sony is soaking in money from CCP considering most games only have to be certified once for release and once for major patches (barring failures). Loosen up Sony and give us our build! Sony tests pipeline seem to take more like a month or so, and no, we aren't the kind of testers they'd need for that part.

Corvus Dorn1 Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2012.09.22 17:56:00 - [21] - Quote GAGAH-BOY BRAZIL wrote: The DUST Marketing is one of the worst I have ever seen ! If you ask someone what is DUST 514 no one will know. Need more disclosure (and all the other DUST marketing replies) Most games aren't marketed very heavily while still in the BETA phase, especially one which wants to draw in as many casuals in as possible, who happen to be the people who say 'Aww man sht graphics, this game is obviously sht, COD is sooooo much better, why are there no kill streaks, my online name is xxxSiP3REliTexxxx, and my vocabulary extends up to words with two syllables' (translated to proper English of course, so we can understand it) (and ok maybe i over exaggerated a bit) . They also wont be notice the fact that the game play has BETA written all over it (literally and metaphorically), and think that what they are seeing is the finished item. (ive seen allot of comments like that already on videos that are already up on youtube) What im trying to say is that DUST's TMG wont be very kind on beta footage and gameplay, hence the minimal marketing. This game is going to have a long shelf life, with re-builds and new builds and tweaks and fixes all the way along, like EVE, if the marketing mill (next door to the rumor mill) starts a few months late the game will still be around when the casuals get a whiff of it Also talking of the rumor mill, 'connect all the dots' (from the first post) does that just mean putting all the rumors together and see what gargantuan behemoth of a future you can contrive
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1592	Posted - 2012.09.22 18:06:00 - [22] - Quote GAGAH-BOY BRAZIL wrote: The DUST Marketing is one of the worst I have ever seen ! If you ask someone what is DUST 514 no one will know. Need more disclosure Well, let's see. CCP is only a small, privately owned company whose HQ is in a country is about the size of an island in the north Atlantic where the population is smaller than it's subscriber base of 400,000+ players. Resources are limited and they also have to devote some resources to maintaining Eve Online. So far, they are doing just fine for a company so limited and small with only a few offices here and there around the world. Word of mouth and in game events appears to be the most effective form of PR so far.
Horus Calling Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 31	Posted - 2012.09.22 19:25:00 - [23] - Quote Hmm, I wonder if OP has some lengthy experience in the gaming industry including making one of the largest MMO games in history. Then I might understand how he thinks he can give them advice. I'm guessing probably not. Another armchair ceo.
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.09.23 03:24:00 - [24] - Quote Horus Calling wrote: Hmm, I wonder if OP has some lengthy experience in the gaming industry including making one of the largest MMO games in history. Then I might understand how he thinks he can give them advice. I'm guessing probably not. Another armchair ceo. I'm secretly Hilmar Veigar, but don't tell anyone.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.23 04:15:00 - [25] - Quote Remember eve didnt have a much of marketing mass early and EA tried its best to shut it down with buying westwood for its earth beyond game which they found unable to maintain and shut it down which resulted one of eve's first boost of players, many other scifi players since then have migrated when thier newest craze has left them wanting more but sequel seemingly evaporate. Freespace, Homeworld, Nexus, the list goes on and more recently STO and TOR (you would not belvie the nubmer of comments saying how much better eve space combat is over TOR)
Fiasco Llana Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 251	Posted - 2012.09.23 04:18:00 - [26] - Quote EA sicken me. Trash company, only care about money. I should know, I bought BF3.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.23 04:26:00 - [27] - Quote Dont worry EA is trying version 2.0 to kill eve. Involving persistence progression. Which copies API information from another game to make you instant veteran on day 1.
Fiasco Llana Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 251	Posted - 2012.09.23 04:31:00 - [28] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Dont worry EA is trying version 2.0 to kill eve. Involving persistence progression. Which copies API information from another game to make you instant veteran on day 1. EA used to be good up until they got money hungry around 2005ish. Now they just need to die out so CCP and other great gaming companies can have a shot at the big leagues.
tribal wyvern ZionTCD Legacy Rising 673	Posted - 2012.09.23 04:36:00 - [29] - Quote Fiasco Llana wrote: EA sicken me. Trash company, only care about money. I should know, I bought BF3. I know right? I wish I waited to buy bf3 instead of waiting at gamestop for midnight release, now that they released the premium edition for $60 that includes EVERYTHING!, thankfully I didn't buy any dlc or go premium and end up spending $110 on a friggin game lol.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.09.23 04:43:00 - [30] - Quote At least Microsoft is not as bad, almost every studio they gobbeled up has gotten better, or gone thier seperate ways and was given back thier old property, IE FASA devs got Mechwarrior Back, Bungie was able to walk away. Crimson Skies was given back to its developer as well. Bunch of others, only major one on my list of game studios devoured and not done well with was Esemble studios responsible for Age of Stratagey Games such as Age of Mythology, Age of Empires and Age of Nations and several others.

Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.09.23 20:39:00 - [31] - Quote Fiasco Llana wrote: EA sicken me. Trash company, only care about money. I should know, I bought BF3. I got it from my grandparents for christmas, I think I've played it less than 10 times. Such a piece of trash.
fenrir storm Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 314	Posted - 2012.09.23 21:21:00 - [32] - Quote Brezz Nonsan wrote: Didn't you hear? The marketing guys are all [INVALID] LOL sounds about right
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.09.24 01:28:00 - [33] - Quote 24 hours left CCP, can you take the heat?
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.09.24 01:55:00 - [34] - Quote Man my OP has gotten LONG!
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 1592	Posted - 2012.09.24 02:53:00 - [35] - Quote DUDES! Don't get me started on EA. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-LE0ycgkBQ&list=FLWAVCGsyDP1eXxAenraZ-KA&index=5&feature=plpp_video
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.09.24 20:27:00 - [36] - Quote Bumping once more!


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