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Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.09.21 11:24:00 -
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When blue on blue starts tony you better not be packing thuckker nades mkay. |
The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1060
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Posted - 2012.09.21 11:27:00 -
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dude seriously? we just recently got away from the "solo crap". I dont know how you guys think about it but i treat every randomer like dirt until they prove me wrong. Just with the simple fact that i allways expect that my team is not capable in playing this game. This is also the reason why i was forced to spec into allmost every role that this game offers. Be it from Vehicles to infantry,AV or support. I can do any task and i have to do any task cause my team is not capable to even put their gun into the enemys direction. Example of this:
-When my team needs transport i drive allways the LAV otherwise some "disaibled gamer" will try to attack a 6 man group with the LAV instead of going stright past them to the unguarded objective.
-when my team needs some 1 with a nanite injector i will do this task otherwise the triage guys throw a nano hive at the guy who is dead on the ground.
-when i see a enemy tank incoming i go to a supply depot and swap to AV cause my team is to busy sitting with snipers on a rock.
-when i can hack a objective i allways throw a remote explosives on it cause i know that my team is not capable to defend a objective longer then 20 secs.
-when we are trying to attack a objective i set drop uplinks cause my team doesnt even has the slightest clue what these are for. They probs think its a plate where you can put a pizza on.
- when im playing skirmish and the match allready started and my team is loosing (they allways are, allways.....) i get my dropship, type screw you all in the team chat and start to repair the MCC for some SP.
In my opinion 90% of the people who are playing this game have no clue what they are doing. Thats why i prefer to play most of the time with a squad with decent players. |
Ieukoplast
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
169
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Posted - 2012.09.21 11:29:00 -
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I would love to see some kind of "mercenary" mode, where clans and parties are forbidden from joining. If i just want to play without worry of some clan or party dominating the match with utter ease, I should have that option. Not everybody who is going to play this game rolls with clan and parties, a lot of us just want a fun time as casual players.
Problem is, the 24/7 players think they own this game, and will disagree 100% with the above statement. Hopefully CCP realizes the 24/7 players are a VERY small minority, and the real cash-cow comes from more casual type of players. |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.09.21 11:38:00 -
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I dont see why both can not be catered for without lessening the game.
We are basicly seeinga division between the Nullsec and highsec . We need both. |
GLOO GLOO
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
217
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Posted - 2012.09.21 11:40:00 -
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The quick instant battle will still be up, with SP filter why not a "Lone Wolf" filter ... |
Tyrael Valdare
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.09.21 11:46:00 -
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Didn't they say there may be some sort of solo mode where you fight lots and lots of drones. Maybe just imagining it. I've read so much nonsense and speculation everything's starting to blend together. Anyway, carry on. |
APX147
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2012.09.21 11:47:00 -
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Ieukoplast wrote:I would love to see some kind of "mercenary" mode, where clans and parties are forbidden from joining. If i just want to play without worry of some clan or party dominating the match with utter ease, I should have that option. Not everybody who is going to play this game rolls with clan and parties, a lot of us just want a fun time as casual players.
Problem is, the 24/7 players think they own this game, and will disagree 100% with the above statement. Hopefully CCP realizes the 24/7 players are a VERY small minority, and the real cash-cow comes from more casual type of players. I couldn-¦t agree more.
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Tyas Borg
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
112
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Posted - 2012.09.21 11:51:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote: Example of this:
-When my team needs transport i drive allways the LAV otherwise some "disaibled gamer" will try to attack a 6 man group with the LAV instead of going stright past them to the unguarded objective.
-when my team needs some 1 with a nanite injector i will do this task otherwise the triage guys throw a nano hive at the guy who is dead on the ground.
-when i see a enemy tank incoming i go to a supply depot and swap to AV cause my team is to busy sitting with snipers on a rock.
-when i can hack a objective i allways throw a remote explosives on it cause i know that my team is not capable to defend a objective longer then 20 secs.
-when we are trying to attack a objective i set drop uplinks cause my team doesnt even has the slightest clue what these are for. They probs think its a plate where you can put a pizza on.
- when im playing skirmish and the match allready started and my team is loosing (they allways are, allways.....) i get my dropship, type screw you all in the team chat and start to repair the MCC for some SP.
In my opinion 90% of the people who are playing this game have no clue what they are doing. Thats why i prefer to play most of the time with a squad with decent players.
Great post Dark. I've bolded the bit I think is most important. It's the main reason the player base in general annoys me. They only complain about what kills them instead of actually testing it themselves then commenting. It's always, "OMFG, [insert OP weapon here] is totally overpowered. WHY U NO NERF, CPP?!!"....
People need to stop trying to lone wolf and work more as a team, specialising and supporting each other. Dark is right, too many people have the mentality that they should just roflstomp a bunch of guys solo. It's the way all the CoD and BF crowds think as it's the only thing they know.
The idea of the "mercenary mode" sounds awfully like you want to go into a public lobby full of easy kills?, similar to 90% of the CoD player base.
Frankly if that gets added I want nothing to do with it. I got bored of CoD:MW after 2 weeks and maxing everything, haven't played any of them online since as it's the same boring game with new paint. I do not want Dust to be that game or to even pander to their needs.
I want tough targets to fight, OP dropsuits and vehicles. Something that really challenges me and my team to over come. As it stands CCP seem obsessed with balancing everything for the solo guy.
I'm beginning to wonder why there's even MMO mechanics in this game tbh, they seem to undo every skill boost you get as we get more into development. At this rate we're going to have kill streaks and perks in by launch. |
Dzark Kill
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
115
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Posted - 2012.09.21 11:52:00 -
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APX147 wrote:Ieukoplast wrote:I would love to see some kind of "mercenary" mode, where clans and parties are forbidden from joining. If i just want to play without worry of some clan or party dominating the match with utter ease, I should have that option. Not everybody who is going to play this game rolls with clan and parties, a lot of us just want a fun time as casual players.
Problem is, the 24/7 players think they own this game, and will disagree 100% with the above statement. Hopefully CCP realizes the 24/7 players are a VERY small minority, and the real cash-cow comes from more casual type of players. I couldn-¦t agree more.
Funny that. 24/7 players obviously enjoy the game for what it is and don't usually dictate it should be a certain way.
On the other hand bads pass themselves off as casuals and try to dictate how the game should be made.
Just putting it out there both side know who they are even if they won't admit it...... |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
2283
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Posted - 2012.09.21 11:56:00 -
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APX147 wrote:When did I say I couldn-¦t go solo? Can some of you come back to earth please. My view is that it-¦s easier to group up with others to score points. Would like to see more balance for solo play. That-¦s all.
And yes. I-¦m still learning this game. Getting better every day. Enjoying that I have to put some effort in to gain some skills. Fantastic to be a part of this Beta test.
isnt that the point of a TEAM based shooter to well.......work as a team?????? if CCP gave more incentive to solo play then u wont even get randoms trying to do any teamwork
solo play isnt impossible as others have said, its harder, just as it should be considering ur trying to face off against a grp by urself u cant expect it to be easy |
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Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.09.21 11:57:00 -
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GLOO GLOO wrote:, take a LAV and go kill Kemlar Maktar alone on his mountain with his big forge gun an proto heavy dropsuit
Actualy it turns out your not alowed to do this. Kemlar Maktar sent me some hate mail saying scoutsuit is not alowed to be CQB and beat this proto suit. He gets very very mad about this and when I offered a hug it didnt help like I was hoping it too. |
Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
437
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Posted - 2012.09.21 12:00:00 -
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Lone wolf? Come to the Asian server at odd hours, you can get lots of nice 1vN fights.
E.g. I had a damn funny ambush 1v2 match a few days ago where I went 7/0.
Heavy type-II/sniper fitted I headed for high ground by the outlying structures to the north and sniped them as they were approaching, including some SMG work. So they called in a tank and by that time I had moved to the western structures, and used the structures to hide from the tank (almost dying several times) and the gunner decided to try to kill me on foot when I SMG'ed him easily.
This continued for a few minutes until I slipped to the hills south-west, at which point the tank gave up and the other guy drove an LAV to the base of the mountain, and got sniped. Hacked the thing, drove to the center and killed him again.
They must have been rather pissed by now, cause they called in a dropship and started circling around so figured it was time to hide in the main building until the timer ran out. |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.09.21 12:02:00 -
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Rasatsu wrote:Lone wolf? Come to the Asian server at odd hours, you can get lots of nice 1vN fights.
E.g. I had a damn funny ambush 1v2 match a few days ago where I went 7/0.
Heavy type-II/sniper fitted I headed for high ground by the outlying structures to the north and sniped them as they were approaching, including some SMG work. So they called in a tank and by that time I had moved to the western structures, and used the structures to hide from the tank (almost dying several times) and the gunner decided to try to kill me on foot when I SMG'ed him easily.
This continued for a few minutes until I slipped to the hills south-west, at which point the tank gave up and the other guy drove an LAV to the base of the mountain, and got sniped. Hacked the thing, drove to the center and killed him again.
They must have been rather pissed by now, cause they called in a dropship and started circling around so figured it was time to hide in the main building until the timer ran out.
lolz you cheep coward if I was in that game at least i could have kept you company while we hid |
Laurent Cazaderon
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
1155
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Posted - 2012.09.21 12:04:00 -
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APX147 wrote:When did I say I couldn-¦t go solo? Can some of you come back to earth please. My view is that it-¦s easier to group up with others to score points. Would like to see more balance for solo play. That-¦s all.
And yes. I-¦m still learning this game. Getting better every day. Enjoying that I have to put some effort in to gain some skills. Fantastic to be a part of this Beta test.
As much as i like to discuss things, do you realize that what you're saying is pure logic ? One guy versus 4 guys will 99% of the time end up in the one guy getting mow down. Reasonnable reaction is to back off and regroup.
But, when you mention that there's squads of 4 persons running around picking up solo people spawning out of nowhere, i agree that this is a problem. BUT, it's not a balance problem, it's a spawn problem.
This is war. Number is most of the time a decisive factor.
So in the end, you can't expect any help to counter those 4 guys rushing at you except using brain ( luring them in an explosive trap) or coming at them from behind and use the element of surprise.
Finally, the only suit that is supposed to be scary even to a group of 4 assault guy is the heavy. But at the moment it's weak HP level makes it quite vulnerable. Also, if this 4 player group plays it smart, that heavy wont stand more chance than the regular guy. |
GLOO GLOO
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
217
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Posted - 2012.09.21 12:06:00 -
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Sha Kharn Clone wrote:GLOO GLOO wrote:, take a LAV and go kill Kemlar Maktar alone on his mountain with his big forge gun an proto heavy dropsuit Actualy it turns out your not alowed to do this. Kemlar Maktar sent me some hate mail saying scoutsuit is not alowed to be CQB and beat this proto suit. He gets very very mad about this and when I offered a hug it didnt help like I was hoping it too.
I played it well : I arrived on his back, didn't saw me on map, throw an "unlock" nade on his feet, and 2 or 3 shotgun hits... as a heavy, he doesn't have the time to turn around after the first nade hit.
The thing that must be impossible, is a heavy alone... His best friend is the logi, he has to be on the front, walking, DPS around finishing his job...
But give him a hug from me, it might help ;) !!
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Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1087
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Posted - 2012.09.21 12:06:00 -
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Seee i would say yes the hvy should scare a group still but so should the scout they cant see 2 foot behind them.
@GLOO GLOO
Will pass on the hug with the next foulmouthed hatemail he spams me with |
Vane KoS
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
30
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Posted - 2012.09.21 12:17:00 -
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APX147 wrote:[quote=Laurent Cazaderon] There are so many awesome lone wolfs in other shooters. It-¦s a specific kind of game style and a popular one too. I don-¦t wanna lose this group of players from Dust. I don-¦t want to see/play a one minded game.
There are a fair few in dust - I see them every game (euro servers) you will normally find them sitting atop the ranking page at the end of the match.
I am not going to name names nut at least two have posted in this thread already and that was on page 1. I didnt read page 2 or 3 yet. |
Kengfa
138
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Posted - 2012.09.21 12:21:00 -
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CCP don't listen to this moronic request. Instead, remove all aspects of the ability to lone wolf. Give a 100% decrease to bullet damage when not in a squad, and a 99.9% decrease to armor while not near squadmates. Ban players that try to run around as a scout with an SMG. Don't allow kills for unsquadded players. Ban the OP of this thread. Ban the guy that called people retards for, what I can see, him not being able to speak proper English. |
GLOO GLOO
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
217
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Posted - 2012.09.21 12:25:00 -
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Kengfa wrote:CCP don't listen to this moronic request. Instead, remove all aspects of the ability to lone wolf. Give a 100% decrease to bullet damage when not in a squad, and a 99.9% decrease to armor while not near squadmates. Ban players that try to run around as a scout with an SMG. Don't allow kills for unsquadded players. Ban the OP of this thread. Ban the guy that called people retards for, what I can see, him not being able to speak proper English.
Why ban thoose guys ? It's an MMO, that's so with a RPG part. So "everything" is possible : heavy + sniper, scout with shotgun. It's a role play, if you are good in your role, why not ?
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Kengfa
138
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Posted - 2012.09.21 12:27:00 -
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GLOO GLOO wrote:Kengfa wrote:CCP don't listen to this moronic request. Instead, remove all aspects of the ability to lone wolf. Give a 100% decrease to bullet damage when not in a squad, and a 99.9% decrease to armor while not near squadmates. Ban players that try to run around as a scout with an SMG. Don't allow kills for unsquadded players. Ban the OP of this thread. Ban the guy that called people retards for, what I can see, him not being able to speak proper English. Why ban thoose guys ? It's an MMO, that's so with a RPG part. So "everything" is possible : heavy + sniper, scout with shotgun. It's a role play, if you are good in your role, why not ? Lol, you don't quite get the point of this post. Nor do you get what RP is. |
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ReGnUm ReSuRgAM WARRIORS
7
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Posted - 2012.09.21 12:28:00 -
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Kengfa wrote:CCP don't listen to this moronic request. Instead, remove all aspects of the ability to lone wolf. Give a 100% decrease to bullet damage when not in a squad, and a 99.9% decrease to armor while not near squadmates. Ban players that try to run around as a scout with an SMG. Don't allow kills for unsquadded players. Ban the OP of this thread. Ban the guy that called people retards for, what I can see, him not being able to speak proper English.
Someone seems a bit GRUMPY today |
GLOO GLOO
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
217
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Posted - 2012.09.21 12:35:00 -
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Kengfa wrote:GLOO GLOO wrote:Kengfa wrote:CCP don't listen to this moronic request. Instead, remove all aspects of the ability to lone wolf. Give a 100% decrease to bullet damage when not in a squad, and a 99.9% decrease to armor while not near squadmates. Ban players that try to run around as a scout with an SMG. Don't allow kills for unsquadded players. Ban the OP of this thread. Ban the guy that called people retards for, what I can see, him not being able to speak proper English. Why ban thoose guys ? It's an MMO, that's so with a RPG part. So "everything" is possible : heavy + sniper, scout with shotgun. It's a role play, if you are good in your role, why not ? Lol, you don't quite get the point of this post. Nor do you get what RP is.
I mean, if you're good in your role and essential to your team... Of course... |
Roy Ventus
Foxhound Corporation
172
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Posted - 2012.09.21 12:36:00 -
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I guess I understand. Long as these lone wolfs do not come into the team "realm" of the game. By that I mean when teamplay is essential. CCP is already establishing a co-op mode or something with drones so I'm guessing they wouldn't turn down another way of helping casuals play the game with such a simple ideas as solo-death match.
I hope all that you want is solo death match, which should be the title of thread here as well, because if it's anything else 'cept maybe solo capture the flag-esque games I can't see it working.
And people here are quick to jump on this idea because we don't want players lone wolfing it up in heavily weighed battles all the time. It's not working as a team and we don't want it. |
Laurent Cazaderon
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
1155
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Posted - 2012.09.21 12:38:00 -
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GLOO GLOO wrote:Kengfa wrote:GLOO GLOO wrote:Kengfa wrote:CCP don't listen to this moronic request. Instead, remove all aspects of the ability to lone wolf. Give a 100% decrease to bullet damage when not in a squad, and a 99.9% decrease to armor while not near squadmates. Ban players that try to run around as a scout with an SMG. Don't allow kills for unsquadded players. Ban the OP of this thread. Ban the guy that called people retards for, what I can see, him not being able to speak proper English. Why ban thoose guys ? It's an MMO, that's so with a RPG part. So "everything" is possible : heavy + sniper, scout with shotgun. It's a role play, if you are good in your role, why not ? Lol, you don't quite get the point of this post. Nor do you get what RP is. I mean, if you're good in your role and essential to your team... Of course...
He was being ironic gloo gloo. ^^
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Vrain Matari
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
404
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Posted - 2012.09.21 12:44:00 -
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Sha Kharn Clone wrote:I dont see why both can not be catered for without lessening the game.
We are basicly seeinga division between the Nullsec and highsec . We need both.
I'm thinking the game already offers both. I find teamplay experiences in DUST rewarding, as well as going solo.
Friendly fire won't change this. It will change the # of leet players spamming Thukkers tho. lol. |
Timothy Reaper
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
321
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Posted - 2012.09.21 12:57:00 -
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Mavado V Noriega wrote:isnt that the point of a TEAM based shooter to well.......work as a team?????? +1 for you, sir. |
Nova Knife
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
786
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Posted - 2012.09.21 13:00:00 -
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Like said above, this is a team based game. The entire lure of dust that they are aiming for is FPS clans and giving them the support that they crave. Most FPS games tend to ignore clan support, but CCP intends to put a heavy focus on this.
Dust isn't a solo game. It's not meant to be a solo game. Everything in the game is designed to encourage teamwork over lone wolfing. That's not to say it's impossible to solo, lone wolves can still compete but it is not and never will be as rewarding as going with a group. That is intended design. In a group with orders, you can get 125 points for a kill for following those orders.
It's balanced perfectly as it is, for how they intend the game to come out. They aren't overlooking solo players, they just are not the target playstyle that CCP is aiming for. |
Avenger 245
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
477
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Posted - 2012.09.21 13:07:00 -
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Quote: You-¦re useless dude. A child in the wrong forum. Now go somewhere and grow up kid.
So is this what you guys want? Walk around in circles with other gamers looking for alone players to shoot down 5 against one? Same group og guys perhaps that got upset because they-¦re tanks were not indestructible anymore? Why are there so many kids out there afraid of fair competition
He's the one being childish?
Wow I can't even think of something sarcastic that would compare |
APX147
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2012.09.21 13:22:00 -
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Like I said before. Add some buildings and/or inside space and the soloists will start to shine. I-¦m not seeing the final product as empty and open as it is now. |
Raynor Ragna
266
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Posted - 2012.09.21 14:30:00 -
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It's not hard to be a lone wolf. I've been doing it pretty much the whole beta. You just have to be smart. I'm getting that you fall short of the requirement though. |
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