DUST Search - Game is causing physical damage to my ps3 check the pics

Cernee wrote:

THIS is the post that got me upset i was being nice up until this point Your capitalizations of telling me to stop playing the game were not needed followed by your "I guarantee you, that even if you Mr McGoo'd open your PS3, you're not only not going to know what physical damage looks like, but you're not going to find any even if you did."

in other words sorry cernee your a dumb*** you wouldn't know what physical damage looks like if it smashed you in the face. i did not even respond to your 2nd post that was directed at another person i read it and left it be but this was your 3rd post. You also clearly didn't read my previous posts on this thread stating that i had stopped playing the game until this issue is resolved. Any forum mod will tell you this and i'm sure you are well aware capitalizing a sentence is essentially yelling at the poster or person you are replying to. Did i need to get yelled at? no i did not? did i need to be treated like a monkey stating i donno what im looking at? No i did not


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Jane DeArc Militaires Sans Jeux 87	Posted - 2012.09.24 16:40:00 - [1] - Quote That picture shows a static image and animation that are distorted at the data level. A picture of your tv screen will NEVER be able to show DAMAGE to your PS3, especially physical. Consider this for a moment. If there was physical damage to your PS3, wouldn't you see corruption or issues like this in ANY game, movie, app, or music you played? Not even mentioning your XMB. If it's happening ingame, it's far more likely that it's the game files which are in error. To test: go to XMB > Games > Game Data > find Dust 514 and delete it. Delete Dust 514 itself and reinstall clean. This will reinstall all files, including corrupt files (looks like some part of the rendering engine is screwed up), and as a result it should look fine.
Jane DeArc Militaires Sans Jeux 87	Posted - 2012.09.24 16:52:00 - [2] - Quote Tyas Borg wrote: I can understand people's comments if this was just a simple matter of rebooting. What the OP is describing is the hard lock up we get from time to time. The reboot is a soft power down, and the freeze forces a hard power down. There is no difference, except in one the PS3's overarching OS is busy and nonresponsive. This could be caused by a handful of things, but it's nothing to be concerned about. The worst you could be looking at is that the game was writing to hard drive (saving) and it corrupts part of the save. Considering how little data is locally stored, your biggest concern is losing your preferred settings ingame or having to reinstall Dust. Tyas Borg wrote: The only way to resolve this is to flick the switch at the back of the PS3. The power button doesn't respond to the reboot, it beeps and just sits there flashing forever. Sometimes you have to hold the power button for about 30 seconds, then wait a moment. It'll blink, beep then power down. Tyas Borg wrote: If you have a slim model the error is compounded by the fact you HAVE to rip the power lead out or the plug from the wall, both of which are far from ideal solutions. When that doesn't work, you do have to either pull the plug or wait for the system to safely reboot itself in the case of an error. Nothing really can help this sans them continuing to implement fixes. Tyas Borg wrote: Even once one of these procedures has been completed you can't simply press the PS button on the pad to reboot the system, it requires the manual power button on the PS3 for some reason. When hard powering down, there is no "last registered controller" so as a safety precaution you have to hard power it. Tyas Borg wrote: It's a pretty serious lockup as far as I'm concerned, nothing is worse for electronics than to be turned off mid operation. I know we signed up to this, but the OP has a very valid concern and "It's a beta" simply doesn't cut it in this case. This isn't a game breaking bug it's a potential PS3 breaking bug. In my eyes it should be CCP's number one concern as they'll not like small claims being brought against them if this is being packaged as a complete game and bundled with the new PS3. It's a serious CONSUMER issue (as in, I won't contribute time or money to this game if it doesn't address the issue causing reliably frequent errors that are fatal to the game process, or the infrequent system freezes) but not a serious HARDWARE issue. It being frozen is no harder on the hardware than anything else you could be doing and likely slightly easier than some terrible games (MGS4's repeated need to install huge portions of the game to disk and never having everything completely installed, thus straining the blu ray drive and hard drive). The hardware of the electronics are not damage, when you resume power they go through the same process they always do. Most of the software CANNOT be damage as it's part of the host os or the hypervisor, completely unaccessible for read/write. Your GAME data is at risk (game files or settings) but they are also disposable at no cost to us. Yes, this is beta and these things happen, but yes it is also valid to be dissatisfied with this and expect it to be gone in the final product. This (the "ps3 breaking bug bit) is just outright misinformation and scaremongering though. It will not damage your PS3 any more than turning on your PS3 and playing games will. Small claims in court may be raised against them, and if they pass it is only because there is no one educated involved in the claim, and thus CCP will pay for something no less "damaging" than turning off your DVD player or VCR in mid-movie, or utilizing the task manager on your windows computer, or of course being force-restarted on a mac.
Jane DeArc Militaires Sans Jeux 87	Posted - 2012.09.24 17:06:00 - [3] - Quote Cernee wrote: Jin Robot wrote: So where is this "physical damage"? check the first posting and the 2 pics associated with it What he means is that you're showing pictures of the TV. How can pictures of a TV screen show a PHYSICALLY broken ps3? Your screens themselves show that not only is the PS3 working, but it's running game data, even if the game data is bad and looks funky.
Jane DeArc Militaires Sans Jeux 87	Posted - 2012.09.24 17:15:00 - [4] - Quote Cernee wrote: i am not going to dismantle my system to show you the inards of my ps3 obviously i showed a picture of a serious lock up which forces me to unplug the system as holding down power does not work. this leads to a scan for potential corrupted data and the hard drive being damaged would you like picture of the hard drive? or me unplugging my system? i dont feel that is needed You're showing us a piece of toast (that's toasted, at that) to show us that your toaster has been beaten by a bat. It doesn't follow, that's not logic or proof of anything. I know you don't want to be told you're wrong, but you're wrong. Yes the game is locking up, yes it sucks and it is not acceptable, NO it is not damaging your system. Think about this for a second. How is a static (non animated) image going to show us a lockup? That's like showing us a picture of a car in the middle of the road and asking us to try to guess what's wrong with it. Then telling us what's wrong is that because it's missing spark plugs (which we would have no way to see in the image) it cannot drive or move. We get that the game freezes, it sucks and angers you. It's not breaking your PS3. If you feel that your PS3 is in danger, then STOP PLAYING THE GAME. If you're willing to listen to reason, then here it is. As a software developer and someone familiar with the PS3's software architecture this is as plain as I can be. Freezing won't damage your PS3, but it may FORCE you to reinstall data. I guarantee you, that even if you Mr McGoo'd open your PS3, you're not only not going to know what physical damage looks like, but you're not going to find any even if you did. Freezing is unfortunately a result of an error on software part AND an normal operation on hardware that isn't detecting the error on software. Otherwise it'd just reboot itself. Detecting those errors is very difficult and can provide lots of false-positives, which results in rebooting more than is needed, so the system developers opted to let it stay on and try to self-resolve rather than automagically restart all of the time.
Jane DeArc Militaires Sans Jeux 87	Posted - 2012.09.24 17:26:00 - [5] - Quote Cernee wrote: i have had a few computer systems that had similar issues more so just because the system was old however by forcing it to reboot it actually damaged the hard drive by making it spin far to fast and burn out the same is happening with the ps3 hard drive by physically unplugging the system its hard on the hard drive and can cause it to burn out, sieze up, be fully corrupted, lost data, It's obvious that you're not understanding what you're talking about. A hard drive should NEVER spin so fast it damages itself, it has hardware locks in place to prevent this. As a result, it (without already being damaged) will never damage itself in this way. What you have said, in effect, is that your computer was freezing a lot and your hardware broke due to age or use. When this happened it would then be ABLE to spin so fast that it could fatally damage itself. Does this make sense? It had checks in place to prevent itself from spinning that fast. When it was able to do so and break itself, it was already broken because those checks were FAILING. While the REBOOTING ITSELF could be the cause of this, freezing is not. LUCKILY, unlike a computer your PS3 does not boot by taking large portions of an operating system and slowly loading thousands of files into memory. There is a lean, flash-memory based chip onboard which stores it's operating system which will doesn't age based on access. As a result, while rebooting or quitting/restarting a HD based game does age the hard drive...that's actually identical to normal wear and tear as that's how you play games. As a result, keep this in mind. If you fear that the rebooting or freezing is damaging your system, the mature, responsible action would be to MITIGATE THE DAMAGES by ceasing to play the game. Period. If you continue playing the game you're accepting the risks that you pointed out.
Jane DeArc Militaires Sans Jeux 87	Posted - 2012.09.24 17:31:00 - [6] - Quote Way to go champ. You claim PHYSICAL damage which is impossible, show no proof, listen to no reason, are assured otherwise and the best you can do is ARGUE with me when I'm not arguing, then act as if I'm stupid and in some kind of stupid denial where I'm unaware of how stupid I am. You're some kid with no electronics or computers background who's scared that a game freezing is breaking his system. This is akin to calling someone a witch and burning them at the stake. No proof, just fear and irrational claims and behavior. Literally. I, on the other hand, hold a Master's Degree in Computer Science with a minor in Information Systems and program web applications for a living, have an in depth education on how these systems work, and have worked with many similar situations. I worked my way through college doing PC repair, and I'm being told I'm stupid and in denial. Right. Yeah, and I bet you tell your mechanic he's stupid when he assures you that the road isn't damaging your tires, they're DESIGNED to wear down slowly.
Jane DeArc Militaires Sans Jeux 87	Posted - 2012.09.24 18:13:00 - [7] - Quote Cernee wrote: nah i'm Batman and you're who exactly? Sheldon from big bang theory or i know your Stewie better yet you graduated from college when you were 9 followed by 3 of the top universities in 1 year make a 6 figure income by being the leading scientist to discover everything. you are actually a secret agent and work closely with bond and taught him everything he knows. lol we could go on with these made up personas all day but its not going to make any progress on the issue at hand. its funny my brand new dvd r/rw shot out a barely played diablo 2 disk and it shattered in my pc but ya its cause it was used for 2 hours that it malfunctioned due to age "I don't have a college education or understand this stuff so no one else does either" Fine logic there. I haven't claimed anything extraordinary, and I haven't claimed anything I cannot back up if questioned. Your need to make out my claims of having a college education as equal to claiming to be a spy, a genius or fictional superhero are a pretty bad line of argument. Can't you come up with something valid? I haven't complained about being insulted yet, because you haven't said anything that is true, likely or even that has bothered me. I have pointed out how bad your logic is, and I'm sorry you're so angry that you're resorting to petty crap like this but I haven't said anything untrue or unreasonable, albeit some of it was a little sharper than it maybe should have been. Anyway, best of luck and I hope your PS3 isn't damaged of course, but I also hope that in your irrational fear you stop playing Dust so I don't need deal with more people claiming that using the wrong brand of window cleaner on their windshield has caused their engine to go out on their car. I enjoy being a part of the Dust community, and as someone with a background that is helpful to many people I take the time to try to help them with their issues. Unfortunately you've seen fit to debate without evidence, and debunk without proof as well as dismiss without reason. This isn't conducive to receiving help, OR learning. As such there is likely nothing I can do for you, so I won't be returning to this thread. Good luck guy.
Jane DeArc Militaires Sans Jeux 87	Posted - 2012.09.24 19:21:00 - [8] - Quote Cernee wrote: I also do have a college education from Algonquin college here in Ottawa i run my own animal rescue after i graduated from veterinarian technician. I am also a former musician from the National arts center orchesta after that career i went into real estate with primecorp commercial realty. many of these things happened while i was involved with a wonderful woman at the time however it led to a divorce. but again you shouldn't need my personal history/background and should not judge others and expect not to be judged right back safe to say just because some person types something on a computer there was a PERSON behind that post if you would insult that person in his/her face you would most likely deal with consequences for those actions lesson here is treat others how you want to be treated if you treat others and demean them to feel like dirt expect the same in return. You sound qualified as a para-veterinarian (as you made the decision to not pursue to be a veterinarian physician), and I respect your degree and life's experience in lieu of a Comp Sci degree. You are right, I am wrong. Rub more flee bath solution on it. Stay mad, nothing will get resolved like that. I didn't legitimately insult you until you made the argument personal, now you're just making a fool of yourself. To address the one worthwhile thing you said, "Treat others as you wish to be treated." Reread my first posts as seen: First post Second post (not even directed at you) Third post (clarifying what someone else said since you misunderstood it) Fourth post (still being friendly!) Fifth post (Gee, still being friendly, only I have the audacity to imply you don't have a formal computer education) All you did each time was effectively say "nuh-huh" and finally throw out unrelated anecdotal evidence about an entirely different situation. I was pretty patient, and only wanted to relate the happenings in a way you understood. Either your ego got in the way, or you have poor reading comprehension because as a result you decided that I was insulting you and went off of the deep end. I treated you the way I wanted to be treated. "Here, you are probably an educated adult who knows about something I don't, but I happen to know about this. Here is some information and some analogies to help you understand." Your response was to say repeatedly "NO I GOT IT IT"S BROKEN" then finally "YOU'RE INSULTING ME STOP IT YOU SILLY DISRESPECTFUL PERSON". I treated you how I wanted to be treated, you treated me like I had no idea what I was talking about, then like I was making up any knowledge I had. Now I'm treating you like you treated me, poorly. At least between the two of us I am backing up my argument, providing proof and logic, and best of all! I don't have to resort to repeated namecalling or mindless slander (LOL I'M DA BATMAN).
Jane DeArc Militaires Sans Jeux 87	Posted - 2012.09.24 21:44:00 - [9] - Quote Cernee wrote: THIS is the post that got me upset i was being nice up until this point Your capitalizations of telling me to stop playing the game were not needed followed by your "I guarantee you, that even if you Mr McGoo'd open your PS3, you're not only not going to know what physical damage looks like, but you're not going to find any even if you did." in other words sorry cernee your a dumb*** you wouldn't know what physical damage looks like if it smashed you in the face. i did not even respond to your 2nd post that was directed at another person i read it and left it be but this was your 3rd post. You also clearly didn't read my previous posts on this thread stating that i had stopped playing the game until this issue is resolved. Any forum mod will tell you this and i'm sure you are well aware capitalizing a sentence is essentially yelling at the poster or person you are replying to. Did i need to get yelled at? no i did not? did i need to be treated like a monkey stating i donno what im looking at? No i did not That was an advisement. I think anyone would tell you, "If you feel your hardware is in danger, ditch what you suspect the cause." The Mr. McGoo comment was because you are not a Sony technician, and thus if you open it up the best you can safely do is blow dust out...and close it back up. It's all specialized hardware, unlike what you're assembling in a PC, so even if you're familiar there's more damage than good to be done. The rest of your post is just slander and putting words in my mouth or rewording my stuff with curse words to suit your points. You're overreacting, and not being rational. Good luck with your issue, but it's not related to Dust.