There is a small reduction in speed when hit. In the next new build strafe speeds have been slowed a touch to lessen the power of the zig zag and the hit detection improvements should make a pretty big difference as well.

CCP Wolfman

There is a small reduction in speed when hit. In the next new build strafe speeds have been slowed a touch to lessen the power of the zig zag and the hit detection improvements should make a pretty big difference as well.

CCP Wolfman

Small? I got hit by a pistol while in a heavy suit and I was practically rooted in place. The system is good, but also need to realize that my heavy suit would have better servo motors to avoid having a PISTOL keep me rooted.

Small? I got hit by a pistol while in a heavy suit and I was practically rooted in place. The system is good, but also need to realize that my heavy suit would have better servo motors to avoid having a PISTOL keep me rooted.

There is a small reduction in speed when hit. In the next new build strafe speeds have been slowed a touch to lessen the power of the zig zag and the hit detection improvements should make a pretty big difference as well.

CCP Wolfman

LOL
nerfin strafe again
GG CCP
way to give in to ppl who struggle at tracking targets thus making the game easier
so not only do u get slowed by a hit but u also got this random jerkin animation PLUS strafe is slower.......lol
thought this was to be a "hardcore" and "harsh" game? doesnt seem like it

as i predicted, since its F2P u are forced to cater to casuals while pretending to actually care for hardcore players. nice.

honest question CCP.....so far ur record for nerfing anything ppl QQ about is at 100% is this gonna be the trend? cry enough and get ur wish? and ppl tell me this game isnt goin the same way as lolMAG

Yep I miss the speed of the game from a few builds ago and how hard it was to hit somone. Ah well if this is the only way they can fix hit detection will just have to live with it.
Guess will just have to roll an assult with AR like everyone else from now on.

LOL
nerfin strafe again
GG CCP
way to give in to ppl who struggle at tracking targets thus making the game easier
so not only do u get slowed by a hit but u also got this random jerkin animation PLUS strafe is slower.......lol
thought this was to be a "hardcore" and "harsh" game? doesnt seem like it

as i predicted, since its F2P u are forced to cater to casuals while pretending to actually care for hardcore players. nice.

honest question CCP.....so far ur record for nerfing anything ppl QQ about is at 100% is this gonna be the trend? cry enough and get ur wish? and ppl tell me this game isnt goin the same way as lolMAG

Small? I got hit by a pistol while in a heavy suit and I was practically rooted in place. The system is good, but also need to realize that my heavy suit would have better servo motors to avoid having a PISTOL keep me rooted.

There is a small reduction in speed when hit. In the next new build strafe speeds have been slowed a touch to lessen the power of the zig zag and the hit detection improvements should make a pretty big difference as well.

CCP Wolfman

There is a small reduction in speed when hit. In the next new build strafe speeds have been slowed a touch to lessen the power of the zig zag and the hit detection improvements should make a pretty big difference as well.

CCP Wolfman

I have to agree there. If hit detection is improved, why slow strafe speed ?

It's like the HAV hotfix. Ok something had to be done but you made a LOT of changes all of a sudden when you could have tried to just reduce splash damage, turret tracking speed and resistance modules efficiency without boosting AV weapons ? Wouldnt have it be more usefull in the learning process ?

So don't do the same mistake now with character movement ! You fixed the hit detection ? Fine, see how it goes. There's no need to nerf anything before proper testing on the beta crowd. Some of us manage to do fine, even excellent with those settings without reaching overwhelming strenght on the BF. This must mean that you're not that far from a good balance regarding infantry vs infantry fights.

If you think something needs to be done to help newcomers, maybe boost the basic aim skills when starting as they are ridiculous and can disgust someone from the game when in fact, 400k SP would make a world of difference.

But seriously, DONT nerf that straff movement speed.

Straffing feels fine as is. I'd wait till hit detection actually works before changing anything like that personally.

Still I can see both sides:

If you hit someone and do enough damage that should slow them down. It makes sense, even with power armor. Without the armor any of these guns would be one hit kills (if not vaporize you). So even with enhanced mobility the kinetic force of these weapons should throw off the processors keeping you balanced and moving.

That said, I can see that shield damage wouldn't cause as much disturbance. And heavies shouldn't be affected at all (they move slow enough that they are kittened already).

But ultimately this is a balance tweak between FPS gamers and RPG gamers. This will be a handicap for player with FPS skill and turn combat into more of a stand in place and find out who has the most hitpoints situation.

I just brought this up in an other thread. Here's my opinion. Keep in mind I play Scouts decked out with speed enhancers and focus on lightning strikes, long kills, and using my mobility to destroy foes. I consider myself a HARDCORE gamer and would love the game to benefit from having a better GUN GAME.

Problem is - when you shoot someone THERE IS NO EFFECT AT ALL on movement it seems. I'm sorry but something should happen. At least an animation... Some blood? Some type of jerk? SOMETHING PLEASE . I'm tired of shooting a freaking futuristic BB gun and seeing my targets fall to the ground because it tickles them so. These "Futuristic Weapons" seriously lack any feel of power.. Seriously - for guns that are suppose to be so powerfull that a normal man cannot fire it without an exoskeleton they seem pretty underwhelming to say the least.

I don't mind strafing speed as it is now... What I do mind is the "instant juking" left, right, left, left, jump, right , and left - with no acceleration in between that dominates fire fights. Seriously... I love speed... But it's ridiculous how fire fights play out.

If you're complaining about the changes because they "target the casual" gamer - you have some serious issues in thinking. . There's nothing skillfull in playing like a ballerina. Are we playing dancing with the stars, hmmm?

The most hardcore shooter of them all - Counter Strike - had a great hit stagger system. If you got shot, your character could hardly move. So any of you saying that it's less "Hardcore" or somehow caters to the casuals to add this are freaking insane.

I said this before and I'll say it again. Killzone 3 had the best feel of any shooter I've ever played. I didn't like the guns for the most part - but the feel of them was the best ever. There was nothing like spraying from target to target with the Gatling gun in the game watching dirt kicking up, peices of cover blow apart, and enemies getting hit. YOU KNEW when you hit someone in that game. Killzone 3 was the first game where I realized that graphics do have an impact on how much you can enjoy a game...

Just because Dust514 is F2P doesn't mean it should be subpar in graphical, sound, and gun game quality.. The gun game has to be tight or else this game will fail in the long run. I hated this game at first but it grew on me because I stuck with it and saw the potential... Most people sadly will probably play it once and then put the controller down for good because the gun play is so sub par.

PS. Please - if you take away agility, acceleration, and speed... Give us the ability to skill into it if we want to be speed demons.

PS. Please - if you take away agility, acceleration, and speed... Give us the ability to skill into it if we want to be speed demons.

Wolfman,

Then what is the point of having a drop/power suit if it can't take a hit with out slowing and the purpose of the power assistance to the movement of the merc on the ground? If the suit wasn't going to give me an advantage (especially when it is compared across the board between the suit types) why would I want to wear it?

EDIT: I would suggest that it is much like writing a script for a screen play. If the reality that you are weaving is plausible tot he universe it is occurring in, then it should make sense. If the audience looks at certain things and see the ridiculousness of it, then the universe and the connection to the audience has missed its mark.

In the ends of the dropsuit, it is supposed to be a sort of power armor that allows for the use of weapons that would rip a normal persons limbs from their bodies when using it. So if it is able to do this, then what would be the lore that would explain this supposed reduction in the soldiers' maneuverability?

Straffing feels fine as is. I'd wait till hit detection actually works before changing anything like that personally.

I agree with this.

This is how i feel about it. If hit detection isn't even functioning properly, that should be addressed before any other "fixes" are piled on. That said, my gun game is quite fine. There are plenty of people here that would agree. Yet, for some reason, when i've got a scout dancing around, i can barely ever hit him. There's something wrong there. It should be easier to hit a nearby target with a stream of AR bullets not essentially impossible, so the system definitely needs work.

Additional option is to increase damage in close quarters. Logical no? At point blank range if it's more difficult to hit a target for some strange reason, the shots that do hit should cause more damage.

Another is your accuracy should technically be increased at close range. Maybe a higher likelihood for a head shot? I don't know. Fact is, close quarter combat should be easier to kill an opponent, not more difficult. Regardless of how fast he can zig-zag. That's how real life works.

As it stands right now i can far more easily kill a target 100 feet away than one 5 feet away. That's a little odd, no?

Regardless, fix the actual mechanics of the game before messing with the numbers.



Before you make a specific defense about a particular weapon or scenario,really think about it. I'm talking about the true basic fundamentals of gun fighting in general here not specific,unlikely, unrealistic scenarios that somehow defend your opposite stance and only your stance.