DUST Search - Too much depth and complexity? Dust 514's biggest failing.

Rorek IronBlood wrote:

Wow.. I'm gone for only a few several days and this happens.

I'm not even going repeat myself about this all. Been there done it. If you do not like the game leave. If you think it's too complex then I have news for you it is only going to get more complex as the game unfolds and expands. Right now we're probably only seeing about one sixth, or one seventh of the full game. We do not have even all of the gear, equipment, vehicles, or skills. We do not have player verse. enviroment, or exploration. Will we get co-op, or singlular missions it could happen in time. This game is going to continue to expand literally.

We do not want it to be just a generic first person shooter, or game. CCP is trying to target a broader audience, but that same audience does not mean "everyone" or that they should bend over to those same players looking for instant gratification. CCP is doing fine and to those complaining about "polish" or that the game is still "rough" well maybe you have not noticed, but this is just another build in a line of more builds. Why would a basic build be polished? Pfft. Learn how to write code and then comeback here. It's not easy to write millions of lines of code. Right now this build has been so utterly upheaved and rewritten so many times and updated, added to that it's essnetially jurry rigged. Which accounts for the latency issues, errors, glitches, disconnects, and everything else. Simple analogy -- You have a car that is being held together by literally duct tape, platic bottles, tin foil, gum, and everything else that any real mechanic would tell you is either a miracle that it runs or is a disaster waiting to happen. Good thing this is essentially a mock build. We're just waiting for the final build and finished product. That takes time to get to though.

Some people have no aspect of reality when it comes product development.


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Maximus Stryker Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 393	Posted - 2012.09.18 15:24:00 - [1] - Quote TL;DR all they need to do to bring along casuals is launch the game with arena battles ARENA BATTLES -8v8 -Smaller maps / close quarters maps -Capture The Flag / King of The Hill / Team Death Match -Everyone uses Militia gear -Matchmaking & Customs Just have it so people can easily log on and play arena battles whenever very easily, no need to worries about ISK or SP very much. Then as people begin to like the game and get into it and get more competitive, they can branch out into High Sec, then Low Sec and Null Sec.
Maximus Stryker Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 393	Posted - 2012.09.18 20:33:00 - [2] - Quote Tarralis wrote: Maximus Stryker wrote: TL;DR all they need to do to bring along casuals is launch the game with arena battles ARENA BATTLES -8v8 -Smaller maps / close quarters maps -Capture The Flag / King of The Hill / Team Death Match -Everyone uses Militia gear -Matchmaking & Customs Just have it so people can easily log on and play arena battles whenever very easily, no need to worries about ISK or SP very much. Then as people begin to like the game and get into it and get more competitive, they can branch out into High Sec, then Low Sec and Null Sec. All these are supposed to exist when the game launches. People with casual in mind will probably end up making their own casual matches anyway. As for the core mechanic, it's an FPS, the core mechanic isn't what's changing. An FPS is the way it is because it's an FPS. If I pick up a COD title, I can play it fairly easily, and transition to Killzone 3 even though the control schemes and gameplay could be radically different. A gun is a gun. The complexity is not supposed to be altering anything in the core mechanic so that casual gamers can pick it up and play it, it's for everyone else that wants complexity that can enjoy messing around with fits and exploring the Eve universe through Dust. I know we are getting Arena Battles eventually but I was not under the impression that they would be there at launch. If they are in place at launch, that just boosts my confidence that this game will be successful even more... I thought the rumors were that we would see Arena Battles/e-Sports in the future (aka 2013) and that we would be able to bet on matches and conduct in game tournaments etc. etc. If at launch we have Arena Battles, High-Sec NPC contracts (farm SP & ISK) and Fraction Warfare ---- not only am I even more enthusiastic about this but like I already said, see this game being more successful than my initial expectation. SO heres hoping you are correct and we do get Arena Battles at launch, cheers
Maximus Stryker Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 393	Posted - 2012.09.19 21:54:00 - [3] - Quote Rorek IronBlood wrote: Wow.. I'm gone for only a few several days and this happens. I'm not even going repeat myself about this all. Been there done it. If you do not like the game leave. If you think it's too complex then I have news for you it is only going to get more complex as the game unfolds and expands. Right now we're probably only seeing about one sixth, or one seventh of the full game. We do not have even all of the gear, equipment, vehicles, or skills. We do not have player verse. enviroment, or exploration. Will we get co-op, or singlular missions it could happen in time. This game is going to continue to expand literally. We do not want it to be just a generic first person shooter, or game. CCP is trying to target a broader audience, but that same audience does not mean "everyone" or that they should bend over to those same players looking for instant gratification. CCP is doing fine and to those complaining about "polish" or that the game is still "rough" well maybe you have not noticed, but this is just another build in a line of more builds. Why would a basic build be polished? Pfft. Learn how to write code and then comeback here. It's not easy to write millions of lines of code. Right now this build has been so utterly upheaved and rewritten so many times and updated, added to that it's essnetially jurry rigged. Which accounts for the latency issues, errors, glitches, disconnects, and everything else. Simple analogy -- You have a car that is being held together by literally duct tape, platic bottles, tin foil, gum, and everything else that any real mechanic would tell you is either a miracle that it runs or is a disaster waiting to happen. Good thing this is essentially a mock build. We're just waiting for the final build and finished product. That takes time to get to though. Some people have no aspect of reality when it comes product development.