Its not complex enough

Explain to me what "thinking" is required for this game.

Explain how the core mechanics differ from every other FPS out there.

While your at it, explain how having a better, more fluid style of gunplay is dumbing the game down.

There is absolutely nothing complex about any of that. That is no more complex than choosing the correct AR in BF3 using the right gadget to suit your play-style.

I'm still waiting for a detailed answer.

How is Dust any more complex than any other FPS?

How will better core game mechanics dumb the game down in any shape or form?

Explain how. Will I have to do a handstand while pressing L1, R1 to get a kill? Learn tree surgery to be able to capture a null cannon?

Still waiting for all the elitists to give a detailed explanation as to how the core mechanics of Dust are more complex than BF3 or any other FPS.

Have at it people. Let's hear it.

That's a spectacular way to dodge the question. Just use a blanket statement like "troll" and that will do.

I'm after a genuine discussion.

OK, sure, I'll give you a few points of comparison.

Dust will have 1000s of planets to fight on and to possibly own...BF 3 has a handful of maps with no investment opportunity.
Dust has a "real" economy that will fluctuate...Battlefield 3 has none.
Dust has cost and risk management requirements...Battlefield 3 has preset classes that are always there and no risk.
Dust will have more than 10x the customization available to BF3 players including mods,vehicles, equipment, weapons, etc...
Dust will have a Meta-game involving politics, espionage and teamwork...BF3 has nothing of the sort.

Do you get the idea?

I was about to get to this :)

Yes, those are all great things. Very cool and innovative ideas. I love these aspects of Dust. However, they have nothing to do with the fact that that it's still a point and shoot - capture objectives, meat and potatoes FPS.

That's what I'm asking. How does that differ from a game of Conquest in BF3?

I'm talking about the core gameplay.

OP: you're right.
Let's go about our businesses, and eventually watch as the bloated, purulent rotten floating carcass of this maleodorant mishap of a game attempt passes by the river.

Let the fanboys drill their brains with the idea that they'll enjoy a game that people don't play.
Exactly like eve.

And let us laugh at their stupidity afterwards.

I'd like to thank you guys who gave genuine replies and left defensiveness to one side.

We all want Dust to be the best game it can possible be. I think it's foolish to ignore what the most popular games are doing and I also think it'd be foolish to not make the game accessible to new players. I'm hopeful there'll be detailed tutorials, mainly because I'd like the game to have a huge community. The more people spending time and money playing the game, the more resources for further development.

In other words: we can have our cake and we can eat it. A spacecake if you will. Hopefully I wont have to pour SP into cake eating skills.

Why are you so great? We need to squad up sometime.

I doubt it, I've been beta testing games for a good few years now.

I believe this thread has the record number of facepalms from me

congratulations OP

Tldr is that the skills and market is very complicated and while that is not in itself bad, the core gameplay, graphics and player counts are not good.

What fps beta where you in? It doesnt seem like you understand the process, so I dont think you have been in any.

We compared Dust 514 to good products.
If Dust was good and unpolished I would be happy.
Finished or not Dust lacks the basic.
CCP build this game without having the foundations to sustain it.

So for you we are all testing smoke.
CCP then is doing things far wrong then I thought.

So CCP is letting us test a mock build.
This then means they have mocked us for all these months.

Nice...or rather not.

So CCP is letting us test a mock build.
This then means they have mocked us for all these months.
Nice...or rather not.

Cling to you hopes but betas can't turn common stone into Gold.