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Sha Kharn Clone Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1087	Posted - 2012.09.18 08:36:00 - [31] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Thukker grenades are really the only P2W item right now. Yesh but dont forget the fused nades from the merc pack
Sha Kharn Clone Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1087	Posted - 2012.09.18 08:39:00 - [32] - Quote CCP Frame wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Thukker grenades are really the only P2W item right now. As stated here, ISK variant is coming this week. Patience! :) Yay more RE type weapons woot woot. Game needs more oneshot kill things that that have AOE because it makes it so much more fun lol cpp you trolls. Well its a good thing really because we will have massive impact nade spamming now and then the QQ can start and we might just get em balanced or changed b4 release.
Laurent Cazaderon Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 1155	Posted - 2012.09.18 08:40:00 - [33] - Quote V3r1745 Luxmea wrote: AUR can get you a level ahead on almost anything for sale in the game, and you can only get AUR with real life money. How big is the gap between ISK items and AUR items? Thanks in advance I'll just say that none of my team members use AUR on a regular basis (or were using HAV) and they do very VERY fine lol ^^ Me, being at around 4.4 Million SP as is started late, i appreciated to use a blindfire rifle to help fill up the gap with the more advanced players until i could use regular advanced AR. To me, AUR items dont make a big difference. Especially now that they removed the final AUR items that were consuming HALF pg and cpu compared to the regular ones. Last item, but not least, that pose problem is the freaking "cavithy" grenade. Even though the problem is not so much the AUR itself but the nade type. Blow on impact => Non-sense.
TiMeSpLiT--TeR Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 326	Posted - 2012.09.18 08:45:00 - [34] - Quote I only use AUR money for Skill boosting and UVT. The AUR weapons just gives you an advantage ahead of time. Once you get the desired level of weapon, you'll discard the AUR item, because you already obtained a much better weapon. In fact, I use the militia AR now, because I already maxed out my skill damage and kick back for AR. I just have to step up my game a little bit, and I will save and earn a lot of ISK.
Zerlathon Algintal Core Gallente Federation 213	Posted - 2012.09.18 10:06:00 - [35] - Quote The difference between AUR & ISK items is marginal, and by no means can AUR items can be considered OP. If we were playing some sort of F2P MMORPG, that had premium items that were heads & shoulders above the rest (stats wise), then I would be inclined to agree with the OP. But we ain't playing such a game, and I have taken down many people who have used AUR weapons, dropsuits, etc with ISK only fits. It's no more difficult than taking down a player using an ISK loadout. Now if you want scary, then try going toe-to-toe with a Player who has an Officer weapon. Those things are naaasty! Before anyone pipes in and flames me, I am by no means calling for a nerf of Officer Weapons. Anyone can get them, it's just a matter of luck. If anything, I give kudos to anyone who has the cahunas to use them, even though they can be taken away in an instant.
Beld Errmon Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 479	Posted - 2012.09.18 10:54:00 - [36] - Quote the Balac Gar assault rifle is melt in your face awesome. Krin Sin is ok but the gar is just omg sooo good.
Tarn Adari Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 157	Posted - 2012.09.18 11:04:00 - [37] - Quote The AUR Sniper Rifles are a bit OP regarding stats and requirements (The best AUR Sniper needs Sniper Rifle Operation 2 and shells out more damage than the best ISK Sniper, which needs Sniper Rifle Operation 5 and Sniper Rifle Proficiency 1).
DUST Fiend Immobile Infantry 1903	Posted - 2012.09.18 11:11:00 - [38] - Quote While I'm happy to see an ISK variant coming to the market, I think the actual concept and mechanics of the grenade need to be changed. Having an item that one hit KO's most dropsuits without needing ANY skill to use just isn't very fun. Please consider toning back the power on these things, or reducing their splash radius...something, anything.
Cerebral Wolf Jr Immobile Infantry 760	Posted - 2012.09.18 11:16:00 - [39] - Quote Tarn Adari wrote: The AUR Sniper Rifles are a bit OP regarding stats and requirements (The best AUR Sniper needs Sniper Rifle Operation 2 and shells out more damage than the best ISK Sniper, which needs Sniper Rifle Operation 5 and Sniper Rifle Proficiency 1). That's probably an oversight and not inteneded, like the AUR Dmg mods only need level 1 trained for the top tier gear.
GLOO GLOO Algintal Core Gallente Federation 217	Posted - 2012.09.18 11:41:00 - [40] - Quote CCP Frame wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Thukker grenades are really the only P2W item right now. As stated here, ISK variant is coming this week. Patience! :) Just can't imagine the CPU we gonna need for thoose Add something like "Nades Upgrade" in skills And to be honest, vs someone with good skills and fitt, they are useless vs assault. They are really usefull only vs instopable scouts, and help a bit vs heavy. But there, "unlock" M1 are really better.

Jimbeezy Imperfects Negative-Feedback 219	Posted - 2012.09.18 11:43:00 - [41] - Quote GLOO GLOO wrote: CCP Frame wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Thukker grenades are really the only P2W item right now. As stated here, ISK variant is coming this week. Patience! :) Just can't imagine the CPU we gonna need for thoose Add something like "Nades Upgrade" in skills And to be honest, vs someone with good skills and fitt, they are useless vs assault. They are really usefull only vs instopable scouts, and help a bit vs heavy. But there, "unlock" M1 are really better. The whole reason I started using them last build was because of scouts exploiting the lag and hitbox
Jin Robot Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 330	Posted - 2012.09.18 11:47:00 - [42] - Quote CCP Frame wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Thukker grenades are really the only P2W item right now. As stated here, ISK variant is coming this week. Patience! :) I know I was saying I was a little worried about pay to win, but I just wanted them to hear the concerns and I had/have faith that they will keep it balanced. This proves the faith was not wasted.
Bucktooth Badger Buck's Intergalactic Pawn Shop 65	Posted - 2012.09.18 11:58:00 - [43] - Quote Jimbeezy wrote: The whole reason I started using them last build was because of scouts exploiting the lag and hitbox Same reason I've started using my Fused Locus grenades from the Merc pack. Soon stops the little blighters jumping all over the place!
Tyas Borg Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 112	Posted - 2012.09.18 12:13:00 - [44] - Quote Just make the Thukkers two shot kill, problem solved. It's exactly the same if not worse than the old RE's. You altered those, so fix these too. I can't think of any other items that are pay 2 win really, but Thukkers in their current state most definately are. Anybody defending them just likes the cheap kills they get using very little skill.
Lawst One Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 4	Posted - 2012.09.18 12:25:00 - [45] - Quote purchasing aur allows u to spend your isk on skill books as these cant be bought using aur. it not a play to win more of a if i dont play as much as the next guy i can still compete. I have and will continue to purchase aur when needed. i figure that way i can use my isk on skillbooks. my playtime is pretty limited, especially during football season! skill point are the equalizer for the most part. spending tons of isk or aur wont help if you dont have the skill points to utilize anything.
Naturi Riclenore BetaMax. 120	Posted - 2012.09.18 13:44:00 - [46] - Quote V3r1745 Luxmea wrote: AUR can get you a level ahead on almost anything for sale in the game, and you can only get AUR with real life money. How big is the gap between ISK items and AUR items? Thanks in advance I've got A LOT of AUR and I assure you that the only difference between the AUR items and ISK items are basically looks. I've only seen 1 or 2 items that don't have an ISK counterpart, but as stated by CCP, they are being added. And if an item using AUR does have some better stats (I'm talking small stat boosts), it has a VERY HIGH CPU/PG cost making it so that an ISK person will still be pretty much equally matched. Pricing is still being tweeked so the prices listed are probably not going to be the real AUR prices. The only thing someone MIGHT say is P2W are the SP boosters. But then as stated, you have to PLAY to get the benefit from the SP boosters. And the boosters only give you 1.5x, so it's not like you're getting 4x SP. So 10k SP = 15k with a booster; so it's not like it's adding this super amount of SP to you.
Roamcel Varje Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 6	Posted - 2012.09.18 15:06:00 - [47] - Quote It is ridiculously obvious that the game IS pay to win. Exactly like eve. Time = Win (lifeless losers are more efficient, regardless of how unskilled they are) NOTE: purportedly avoided typing Time = Skill. Time != Skill in this game. In all other games, Time = Skill, but not in EVE, not in DUST (dust being an fps is better than eve, though, to a limited extent) AUR = Time, since you need Time to make isk Thus AUR = ISK = Time = Win Can not be typed any simpler. Dust is ridiculously obvious pay to win. Slight difference in respect to eve? In eve there's zero player skill involved (you don't pilot your ships, it's even more stupid than wow F key ability smash), in dust you have to aim your gun at least.
rasthanos Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2012.09.18 16:40:00 - [48] - Quote Roamcel Varje wrote: It is ridiculously obvious that the game IS pay to win. Exactly like eve. Time = Win (lifeless losers are more efficient, regardless of how unskilled they are) NOTE: purportedly avoided typing Time = Skill. Time != Skill in this game. In all other games, Time = Skill, but not in EVE, not in DUST (dust being an fps is better than eve, though, to a limited extent) AUR = Time, since you need Time to make isk Thus AUR = ISK = Time = Win Can not be typed any simpler. Dust is ridiculously obvious pay to win. Slight difference in respect to eve? In eve there's zero player skill involved (you don't pilot your ships, it's even more stupid than wow F key ability smash), in dust you have to aim your gun at least. Trollin trollin trollin, rawhide
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.09.18 16:50:00 - [49] - Quote Dewie Cheecham wrote: CCP Frame wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Thukker grenades are really the only P2W item right now. As stated here, ISK variant is coming this week. Patience! :) Open the market, and provide an ISK price tag on all AUR items, as well as an AUR tag on all ISK items. Problem solved. The whole point is that the AURUM items will be resold for ISK by both EVE and Dust players just like all the AURUM items in EVE currently. The idea is to have MTs that fund the game while simultaneously allowing for the player-controlled market to provide those items for ISK so that people with a bit more ISK can truly play the game completely for free. Besides, I think the last thing anyone wants is all of the ISK Proto gear with AURUM price tags, because the ISK stuff is superior.
Dewie Cheecham Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 677	Posted - 2012.09.19 15:56:00 - [50] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Dewie Cheecham wrote: CCP Frame wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Thukker grenades are really the only P2W item right now. As stated here, ISK variant is coming this week. Patience! :) Open the market, and provide an ISK price tag on all AUR items, as well as an AUR tag on all ISK items. Problem solved. The whole point is that the AURUM items will be resold for ISK by both EVE and Dust players just like all the AURUM items in EVE currently. The idea is to have MTs that fund the game while simultaneously allowing for the player-controlled market to provide those items for ISK so that people with a bit more ISK can truly play the game completely for free. Besides, I think the last thing anyone wants is all of the ISK Proto gear with AURUM price tags, because the ISK stuff is superior. My primary beef with having the AUR only aspect, is that these items are not player build or provided as such. At least they do not require any effort beyond access to daddy's VISA. There are items in EVE that are not made by players, but to get them players have to run missions and earn LP's in order to get these.

Roamcel Varje Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 6	Posted - 2012.09.19 17:16:00 - [51] - Quote rasthanos wrote: Roamcel Varje wrote: It is ridiculously obvious that the game IS pay to win. Exactly like eve. Time = Win (lifeless losers are more efficient, regardless of how unskilled they are) NOTE: purportedly avoided typing Time = Skill. Time != Skill in this game. In all other games, Time = Skill, but not in EVE, not in DUST (dust being an fps is better than eve, though, to a limited extent) AUR = Time, since you need Time to make isk Thus AUR = ISK = Time = Win Can not be typed any simpler. Dust is ridiculously obvious pay to win. Slight difference in respect to eve? In eve there's zero player skill involved (you don't pilot your ships, it's even more stupid than wow F key ability smash), in dust you have to aim your gun at least. Trollin trollin trollin, rawhide Trolling? Why? You replied with a meaningless, imbecile one-liner, and I'd be the one trolling? lol Obviously the facts remain: Time = Win (lifeless losers are more efficient, regardless of how unskilled they are) NOTE: purportedly avoided typing Time = Skill. Time != Skill in this game. In all other games, Time = Skill, but not in EVE, not in DUST (dust being an fps is better than eve, though, to a limited extent) AUR = Time, since you need Time to make isk Thus AUR = ISK = Time = Win Can not be typed any simpler. Dust is ridiculously obvious pay to win. Slight difference in respect to eve? In eve there's zero player skill involved (you don't pilot your ships, it's even more stupid than wow F key ability smash), in dust you have to aim your gun at least.[/quote]
Knarf Black Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 397	Posted - 2012.09.19 17:31:00 - [52] - Quote At least he's bothering to type out new troll posts instead of copy pasting his usual rant.


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