Looking for Muslim players isn't an issue.

The problem is that the thread has gone towards a religious debate that, as all religious debates, can be neither won over or concluded. Even if the participants are behaving nicely, the thread has gone completely off topic.

For the sake of keeping this forum a place about the Dust514 beta, focused on people helping people and bug balancing (heh) issues at hand, this thread should be locked.

leave it, i find it interesting...

...and considering that off-topic threads are forbidden on the forums, I can agree with that reasoning.

...and considering that off-topic threads are forbidden on the forums, I can agree with that reasoning.

Me too ;-))

I enjoy it.

Elijah's thread has turned into one of the best and most intriguing threads on the forum!

Everyone GÇö for sure there are many interesting debates to be had in this life. I just find that this one should be held elsewhere and stirs up unnecessary fervors, especially in light of current events.

It's off-topic, and has lived on borrowed time for way too long now.

It was me who dug it up today. It is an interesting thread.

Everyone has the right to an opinion in my book. Its only if you express that opinion in a vile or violent manner that it becomes a problem. Any belief, if kept on a personal level and not expressed in the ways I mentioned, causes no harm.

I left the thread because I knew flames would start because the level of intellect of readers is variable, as is their knowledge of the geo-political issues.

While its clear that the violence was an over reaction by some to the film, I would be the first to also say that the film was intentionally provocative to induce such a reaction.

In summary, both sides broke the covenants that I mentioned above, that when observed, avoid these incidents.

Again, those covenants are that whatever belief you hold, you do not express it in a vile or violent way to others. Simple isn't it? We must all show restraint and peacefully coexist. Forgive one and other.

You have agreed that by participating in this forum you would abide by the rules, and the rules mean that anything off-topic will be locked. Don't try starting another discussion here, my good man.

It was me who dug it up today. It is an interesting thread.

Everyone has the right to an opinion in my book. Its only if you express that opinion in a vile or violent manner that it becomes a problem. Any belief, if kept on a personal level and not expressed in the ways I mentioned, causes no harm.

I left the thread because I knew flames would start because the level of intellect of readers is variable, as is their knowledge of the geo-political issues.

While its clear that the violence was an over reaction by some to the film, I would be the first to also say that the film was intentionally provocative to induce such a reaction.

In summary, both sides broke the covenants that I mentioned above, that when observed, avoid these incidents.

Just to be clear, the United States government is NOT on the same side as some idiotic and talentless "film maker."

The US did NOT have a role in the production of this so-called "film" and could NOT have prevented its creation.

The innocents killed in Libya did NOT have a role in the making of this so-called "film."

Therefore, I am puzzled at your description of both "sides" being at fault.

Could you clarify?

Yes I will clarify so there is no room for misinterpretations.

I mean, that if the values I refer to were followed, that firstly, no such film would have been made - the holders of the beliefs, whomever they were, could have just kept it to themselves knowing that making such a film would fan hatred.

Secondly, given that the film was made, if the values I refer to were followed, those who chose to attack would have chosen to forbear and forgive the film makers as opposed to mortally holding accountable those whom they wilfully murdered, those whom as you correctly state, had no control, responsibility or any ability to exert any influence over the making of the film in question.

Tldr - tolerance, keeping opinions personal, forgiveness, forbearance - these values support peace.

Hope that makes it clearer.

Wow, so yet another thread that will turn towards religious debate. As I said in the beginning of the Muslim thread, we should not be debating religion in the dust beta forums. Simple, no?

The irony here being that we are now arguing whether we have the free speech to argue about free speech...

Anybody else see that?