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Shiro Mokuzan
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Posted - 2012.09.11 20:40:00 -
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There is detailed info about this on Evelopedia, but basically at the moment of death, it scans the state of each neuron, dendrite etc. destroying the source brain in the process, and instantaneously re-creates all that in the clone brain.
If you take an instantaneous snapshot of a process, for example that of consciousness, and instantaneously re-create it somewhere else, it seems like that process would basically be moved somewhere else. |
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Posted - 2012.09.11 20:42:00 -
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Primus Core wrote:EVE capsuleers and DUST mercs are essentially bio-mechanical beings. If anything, we're more cyborg than human. Most of our brains consist of numerous nano-mechanical circuits and biological implants to improve cognitive function, among other things. Essentially, we took our brains and turned them into an even more advanced computer. This "transfer of consciousness" is simply the act of taking one computer's memory storage and transferring it all wirelessly, near-instaneously, to another computer.
This is not accurate. The scientific articles specifically mention scanning neurons, turning the original brain into jelly, etc. Just because a brain has implants doesn't make it a computer.
I believe you may be confusing this with Ghost in the Shell. |
Shiro Mokuzan
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Posted - 2012.09.11 20:44:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Kyy Seiska wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_uploading The word transfer implies moving, but really this is just copying. Maybe in Dust its also just copying, but that's not the impression I got from the trailer.
It's not copying, because the original is destroyed in the process.
If you record the state of something, destroy it, and recreate it elsewhere, that's essentially moving it. |
Shiro Mokuzan
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Posted - 2012.09.11 20:50:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Shiro Mokuzan wrote:There is detailed info about this on Evelopedia, but basically at the moment of death, it scans the state of each neuron, dendrite etc. destroying the source brain in the process, and instantaneously re-creates all that in the clone brain.
If you take an instantaneous snapshot of a process, for example that of consciousness, and instantaneously re-create it somewhere else, it seems like that process would basically be moved somewhere else. So its really copying and not a transfer, thank you :)
If that's copying then so is Star Trek transporter technology. Every Star Trek character would be the copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of the original. For that matter, each person would be a copy of themselves seven years ago, since all of a human body's cells are replaced every seven years or so.
Copying implies making a duplicate, leaving the original intact. When you copy a file on a computer, you have the original and the copy. When you move a file in a computer, you delete the original, transfer the bits, and recreate the file somewhere else on the computer.
So unless you believe in some metaphysical "soul", the consciousness is basically the state of the brain and the ongoing process of it working. If you capture that and recreate it elsewhere, that's transferring it. |
Shiro Mokuzan
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Posted - 2012.09.11 20:51:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:I thought it would be copying when I first heard about the game, but I thought somehow the mind was actually transferred somehow when I saw the Fanfest 2012 trailer when they were talking about the Sleeper brain tech. I wrote some fanfiction about the idea of copying the mind in Dust a long long while ago http://dustmercs.blogspot.com/p/copy-of-psycho-dust-514-based-story.html
And how would you propose reliably transferring a human consciousness across interstellar distances instantaneously without using magic? |
Shiro Mokuzan
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Posted - 2012.09.11 20:55:00 -
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A common misconception is that it's just copying memories. I would not be a transfer of consciousness, that would just be making a copy of a person who might think they're the original.
Anyway, it does get into philosophical areas, and maybe capsuleers actually wonder about whether they're really themselves or just a copy.
To me, taking an instantaneous snapshot of the brain, destroying the original, and re-creating that snapshot elsewhere is essentially transferring it. |
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Posted - 2012.09.11 21:04:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Shiro Mokuzan wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:I thought it would be copying when I first heard about the game, but I thought somehow the mind was actually transferred somehow when I saw the Fanfest 2012 trailer when they were talking about the Sleeper brain tech. I wrote some fanfiction about the idea of copying the mind in Dust a long long while ago http://dustmercs.blogspot.com/p/copy-of-psycho-dust-514-based-story.html And how would you propose reliably transferring a human consciousness across interstellar distances instantaneously without using magic? Quantum entangled pairs? The actual transfer itself isn't what I find to be problematic, its the fact that is a process or action being transferred. I'm glad it's actually just copying, because thats much easier to explain.
If you want to call destructive "copying" copying then okay whatever floats your boat. Do you consider yourself a copy of yourself from 7 years ago? After all, all your cells are copies (and inexact ones at that) of your cells then. Your consciousness is running on new "hardware" in a different place than it was 7 years ago.
It's not copying. With a few rare exceptions in the novels, a consciousness never exists in more than one place at a time. |
Shiro Mokuzan
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Posted - 2012.09.11 21:12:00 -
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Maximus Stryker wrote:Knarf Black wrote:Sake Monster wrote:We are Cylons. It does feel awful Cylon-y, doesn't it. Seriously, everyone just needs to invest in the 200 or so hours it takes to watch all 4 season of BSG and the associated movies and then they will know how this works...and watch Doll House...
I watched BSG twice, actually. It's a good show, but the ending gets a little weird. |
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Posted - 2012.09.11 21:39:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Shiro Mokuzan wrote:Maximus Stryker wrote:Knarf Black wrote:Sake Monster wrote:We are Cylons. It does feel awful Cylon-y, doesn't it. Seriously, everyone just needs to invest in the 200 or so hours it takes to watch all 4 season of BSG and the associated movies and then they will know how this works...and watch Doll House... I watched BSG twice, actually. It's a good show, but the ending gets a little weird. SPOILER WARNING The ending I liked overall, I was like "WOOOOOOOOW" when the connection to our reality was revealed, though the ditching of the technology seemed really really stupid to me, like they didn't think that level of technology would never get developed again just because they ditched it. I suppose the tech ditching had to happen to make things make sense with our timeline.
What was really unbelievable was how easily everyone went along with the idea. I could see some people proposing it but tens of thousands of people all deciding, "Yup, let's ditch all of our technology and live in huts!" seems far-fetched. |
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