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Heinz Doofenshertz
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.09.10 12:29:00 -
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Parson, yes we understand that section of the war point system, I have been in the beta a very long time. And yes Support is currently defined as any action which would result in war points except for those gained by kills. and yes we only use 50 for kills, because following your command orders would be considered supporting your team. this probably will change once we have access to the API and can seperate the War points gained from different sources, if that information is included and tracked. I do have training and experience in statistics creation and analysis, as do some of the others who help craft these formula.
Zekain Kade, High KDR does not always mean high WP, SP, or ISK just as High SP, WP, or ISK does not means your KDR is high. That is improper assumption of the statistics. |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
775
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Posted - 2012.09.10 13:48:00 -
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Liking what the site has to offer so far during it's beta stage, looking forward to seeing it grow and refine as Dust does (and as more information is made available to the playerbase, come on CCP you know you want to give us API keys  ..of course I doubt that will happen until launch but even so :) ) |
Parson Atreides
Ahrendee Mercenaries
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.09.10 13:52:00 -
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Admittedly I haven't taken any sort of statistics course, so maybe I have no idea what I'm talking about, but...
I'm a little skeptical with respect to how the Support and Combo scores are calculated relative to Ambush/Skirmish matches played. In some Ambush maps there aren't any supply depots so it isn't really viable to go in as anything that plays any sort of support role, not to mention that there's nothing to hack.
In other words, I imagine at some point you're going to compare the "Warpoints after Kills" to "Warpoints total" when calculating the Support and/or Combo roles. For those people who maybe prefer Ambush maps, or don't leave a map just because it isn't a Skirmish, it seems like this is going to skew against them because their warpoints from kills is going to be much higher (relative to warpoints total) than someone who either doesn't do as well in ambush maps, or plays predominantly skirmish mode.
I know I sound like I have some vendetta against this whole thing, but I really do like the idea. |
Heinz Doofenshertz
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.09.10 16:57:00 -
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Again, you get Support points from more things than hacking, drop a nano hive and resupply others, drop a uplink and let people spawn in, kill assists, repping people, reviving people, blowing up LAV/HAV/Dropships, and Following squad orders. there are plenty of opportunities in both game types to get non kill warpoints. However, no one is forcing anyone to use these stats, or the site, I'm putting it out there to help the community. It's is up to the community on how they use it, atm about 75% of the features are ones requested by members of the community. if you have an idea you think I should add to the site feel free to email me at the address provided in the OP |
Debacle Nano
Shadow Company HQ
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Posted - 2012.09.10 17:07:00 -
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Signed up. |
Heinz Doofenshertz
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.09.11 05:09:00 -
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Hope you enjoy it sir. |
Sake Monster
Tritan-Industries
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.09.11 05:20:00 -
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Zekain Kade wrote:Th3rdSun wrote:I will only support this if KD is taken out.
The only stats that this game really needs is warpoints,and variations of SP and ISK earned and wins and losses.Everything else is pretty much irrelevant.
K/D ratios are just another tool to support lone wolfing. Those with the Highest KD's also have the most war points, ISK, and SP.
Incorrect sir. I have less than 2,000 kills and my kdr is less than 2, but i have massive WP, isk, and SP because I am a really good command logi usually with a great squad following my orders. There is plenty of opportunity for greatness and advancement without being just a killer |
Rugman91
Deep Space Republic
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Posted - 2012.09.11 05:25:00 -
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Thank you for your contribution |
Heinz Doofenshertz
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.09.11 08:18:00 -
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we are happy your happy |
Captain-Awesome
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Posted - 2012.09.11 18:25:00 -
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Heinz Doofenshertz wrote:we are happy your happy
I'm no longer bottom of the list. what can I do to change this?
I figure tony wants to copy the idea otherwise he wouldn't be so adamant about getting equations to the end result, it doesn't concern him.
if ya don't like it, build your own. |
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Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
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Posted - 2012.09.11 23:29:00 -
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What are your plans for data tracking between wipes? (of course this won't be an issue once live, and I doubt it will be a problem no matter how it's handled but I'm curious by nature  ) |
Heinz Doofenshertz
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.09.12 05:31:00 -
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sadly when the wipe comes, I'm gonna dump the data I have, and then wipe the current chars. then I will sift thru all the data and do some statistics, and we all start over at 0. Once the game goes live, well yeah it's live and unless something goes sideways there won't be any wipes of data. |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
775
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Posted - 2012.09.14 00:54:00 -
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Heinz Doofenshertz wrote:sadly when the wipe comes, I'm gonna dump the data I have, and then wipe the current chars. then I will sift thru all the data and do some statistics, and we all start over at 0. Once the game goes live, well yeah it's live and unless something goes sideways there won't be any wipes of data.
Fair enough, I can see motives for doing it either way and you're the one building it so clearly it's your call (not to mention you have more info than I do). In any event thanks for the heads up and I'll try to make sure I update as near to right before wipe as I can because I'm interested to see what my final stats are on this build.
Cheers,
Cross
oh, and thanks again for the tool :) |
Heinz Doofenshertz
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.09.14 06:54:00 -
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your welcome, the other reason for the wipe, as stated above is so I can do one last fine tune of the formulas before live, and make sure that they are functioning properly.
I hope you are all enjoying the tool, and if you have any suggestions or requests please let me know. |
Heinz Doofenshertz
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.09.14 07:09:00 -
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We are working hard to make sure this site is future capable. |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
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Posted - 2012.09.17 07:15:00 -
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Heinz Doofenshertz wrote:your welcome, the other reason for the wipe, as stated above is so I can do one last fine tune of the formulas before live, and make sure that they are functioning properly.
I hope you are all enjoying the tool, and if you have any suggestions or requests please let me know.
I have a minor request for during beta, would you please post here a few hours (or a day?) before you do the wipe?
I'd like to record my final stats and compare them to how I progress in the next build, give myself some context for what's working and what isn't.
I'm sure I'll have more substantive feedback as things progress, with the next build displaying more information (or so I've heard) and once APIs are opened up. Till then many of them will just have to wait (an ISK earned/destroyed/lost tally for example would be great but as far as I know the data to do that isn't available yet).
Cheers,
Cross |
Heinz Doofenshertz
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.09.18 17:16:00 -
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I should be able to comply with that. and yes, I'm already working on api systems, using the current eve api system as a testbed. |
EnIgMa99
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.09.18 18:44:00 -
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I dont see my name anywhere i guess ill comeback later. |
Heinz Doofenshertz
BetaMax.
360
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Posted - 2012.09.19 03:22:00 -
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I'm sorry you can't find your self, have you tried adding your data? |
Sake Monster
Tritan-Industries
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.09.19 08:30:00 -
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Hey Heinz, just a suggestion but when you click on a category it defaults to showing the list from low score-high score. Thinking it should default to the high score on the top. Not a big deal but how most statistic listings operate. Anyway, i support this and can't wait til it links with the API so everyone is shown. Nice work. |
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Heinz Doofenshertz
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.09.19 08:40:00 -
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actually what is happening is both the focus and the direction are changed with the same click, so if with the list inverted you click a different set it will revert for that list. it's a feature I will talk with my coder about. |
Mister Hunt
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.09.19 09:18:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:Heinz Doofenshertz wrote:I'm sorry you feel this way, but as it has taken along time to create these statistics, giving them away would be detrimental. I hope that in the future we can provide some assistance to you in other ways. How is it detrimental to explain your numbers? Detrimental to whom? Forget it. It's pretty usual to give the formula used to work out a statistic.
Where is the formulas that you claim are open source? Not even BCS formulas are out in the open. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.09.19 12:53:00 -
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BCS formula explained.
http://www.bcsknowhow.com/bcs-formula
@The side who said I'd steal the formula and make my own website... LoL. Why would I bother if this site exist? Pointless much?
@Heinz
Reading the explanations you have given I'd say your combo score doesn't take into account tank assist. In fairness we don't have the raw data (no assists/vehicle assists stat on char sheet), so I'm stickIng with my original view that the results are highly subjective. Good job anyway. When they allow us to provide more accurate data (assists, repair points, basically all the stats MAG gave you...) I might get something out of it. |
Heinz Doofenshertz
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.09.20 07:04:00 -
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I'm sorry tony, but I am still not releasing the formula. I feel we have properly taken tanks into account, but yes as more data is avalible it will be used. I would hope you would get something out of the site now if for nothing else then the tracking over you stats over time, even if you disagree with them |
Heinz Doofenshertz
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.09.25 08:57:00 -
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Just a quick Update, we have seperated the KDR graph from the other scores, as this was causing some issues for those with really high KDR, and have begun code refinement to allow corporations to have their own look within the site. I would once again like to say thank you to everyone is helping to test the site. and we hope that it helps you in the future. |
Drake Lyons
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.09.25 09:51:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:BCS formula explained. http://www.bcsknowhow.com/bcs-formula@The side who said I'd steal the formula and make my own website... LoL. Why would I bother if this site exist? Pointless much? @Heinz Reading the explanations you have given I'd say your combo score doesn't take into account tank assist. In fairness we don't have the raw data (no assists/vehicle assists stat on char sheet), so I'm stickIng with my original view that the results are highly subjective. Good job anyway. When they allow us to provide more accurate data (assists, repair points, basically all the stats MAG gave you...) I might get something out of it.
Fact of the matter is, if someone is tearing it up, it doesn't really matter in New Eden how they did it. If a massive cap fleet takes your entire alliance to pieces...too bad, so sad.
If someone is posting up great scores and points because they are a great tanker, cool. Dropship pilot? Cool. Dedicated turreteer? Good, I want you on my team in our turrets. Discounting vehicles because they aren't "gun game" enough in this game just doesn't have a place. |
Heinz Doofenshertz
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.09.25 12:21:00 -
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it's not that we are discounting tankers, or anyone else, however, the formula takes them into account so that everyone, no matter the play style can be judged with the same numbers. If you look at the leaderboard, you will find tankers at the top, in the middle and at the bottom, same as logibros, snipers, and heavies. |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
775
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Posted - 2012.09.28 06:04:00 -
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Looking like the wipe may happen next week, and with news that the API system for Dust and the new API system for EVE will be the same system it sounds like good days ahead for Dust stats
Again thanks for putting this together great to be able to track progress along more than one vector.
Cheers,
Cross |
Heinz Doofenshertz
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.09.30 05:31:00 -
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Thank you for your support and yes it looks like the Wipe will occur on monday morning, I will also be doing a stat wipe and have sent a message to all users about this. if you wish to get your final scores in and copy them down please do so before DT on monday, as I am not sure when monday morning I will be doing the updates.
Have a great final weekend for this build and a Great time in the new build. |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis
775
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Posted - 2012.10.01 13:56:00 -
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Will you be sending another e-mail once the site is up and running again now that CODEX is live, or should we just keep trying 
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