So the arguments that took place in irc about sniper rifles is important? Because the dust forums don't seem to reflect this? Maybe someone could post their arguments for or against. Since this seems to be important to the irc/ devs.

It is discouraging to see so many odd nerfs and buffs. With no real rime or reason may come from the irc.

Silly really. Yes I should be in there and not here the official forums. What was I thinking face palm

ironwolf broke the 1,000 like barrier?
sounds about right

Sorry we couldnt get any questions asked CCP nothin took the lead in disucssion.


HAV Nerfs
'We're considering doing either max speed reduction or velocity penalty making tanks take longer to get to full speed. Either way they're getting tested internally now.
The main problem with havs also was found to be with the modules which havent been tweaked to keep current, which partially fits problem the shield resistance amp the most notorious of them. so a near future pass on all modules will be
made expect significant changes not in the HAV's favor.'

Looks like CCP is bowing to the noobs who cant be bother to train up AV. Tanks already go down against AV, no reason to add a nerf in. I expect even after this nerf the whiners will whine when they still can't kill a tank with an assault rifle.

CCP Devs have numbers, from the looks of it tanks are survivng too long for thier price tag.

Against who, a team of random noobs? Tankers shouldnt be punished for using their equipment correctly, which lets me get away 90% of the time. Often when the enemy team does come at me with AV gear I either have to back off or charge through them. AV against tanks right now is fine when opposition brings it onto the field and uses it correctly.

STOP THE HANDHOLDING. Its just like all of those pathetic highsec miners who begged for more nerfs to suicide ganking until finally CCP gave the mining barges battleship HP.

The most unsetteling thought that should be in your mind is not these nerfs. No, Its the simple thought that CCP (as well as just about anyone else) cant reasonably answer the question of what role HAVs are supposed to fulfill...

That sort of question usually leads to deleteion of items by most other developers.

You should also know that ccp play by the paper quite often, but what happens on paper rarely exactly happens on in practice. For example they think that HAVs vs HAVs would be rather common. But we explained its extremly rare because tanks prevents other tanks from deploying in the first place.

If you want to bring eve side to this, look at the nanomacheriel. 14 km/s of death that blapped any 12km/s interceptor that dared catched it, which is just silly anywyas becuase if an inty ever did catch it its so far awya from any support fleet that its all alone and the webbers didnt work as the mach would just float out of webber range so fat you could never slow down the nano mach fast enough to make good use of guns or missiles.

Also another nerf to point out, the warp core stabilizer, oftenly used to uncommit a ship from battle was so heavily nerfed it was no logner a viable pvp fitting. CCP wants things to die. You drive a tank into battle you better buckel up instead of just running away when you get a small boobo, most infantry dont have the luxury of running away, neither should tanks.

why not just put in the Web grenades? adjusting there speed wouldn't matter then?

This is what I've been asking for, more AV toys.

I often bring in a tank when another tank is on the field. If a bunch of randoms, without comms, decide not to bring a tank or AV in and get owned its not my problem. Ask anyone I squad with, I bring tank, logi, or AV.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=292337#post292337
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=292511#post292511
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=292714#post292714
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=287015#post287015

Let me put it to you this way.

"I don't feel like dying today" should never be an option for a HAV pilot.

So... your agument is that a squad of 4 tank pilots on comms should lose 4 infantry on comms?

Huh? Usually I run a tank while my squad is on foot or in a dropship.

No but that is the arugment. How is AV teamwork supposed to compete against HAV teamwork? Especially in random spawn ambush or redlinig skirmish?

Thats not impossible to overcome, and you may even see the otherside field tanks then. Played one round last night with 3-4 tanks per side, and several dropships, and a decent amount of AV, and it was one of the most fun matches we've played yet. The only reason someone would not bring a tank onto the field if the opposition is fielding them is that the cost of losing one is prohibitive and that they CAN be killed by a competent team working together. If they truely were invincible you would see even more on the field, but most people dont want to lose at minimum 800k ISK per round.

A group of three very dedicated AV have a very hard time with even a beefy miltia tank. #1 reason it can run away. WE even trapped one. Placing 3 different strike points. The nades we threw were inconsistent and once again his speed saved him. The tank did not have a 20 and 0 round because we chased him the whole game. He had a 10 and 0 round because it is easy to one hit AV infantry( my squad).

If I remember correctly he had about 5000 shield. We got him down to armor 2 or 3 times but could not finish him. The swarm sometimes has a hard time locking...that happened at least twice. The forge range hurt very bad too.

We are three very good players that are in the top 50. The tank driver was a very good pilot.

I will say a fourth member would have helped greatly and if some of our team chipped in we would have killed him.
Point of the story is.....this was a miltia tank. IMO a pro miltia tank driver fighting a 3 man pro AV team. The AV weapons just needed a little more buff....25% more probably would have done it.