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Alamo TAYLOR1
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.09.06 02:58:00 -
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Dum question but yea...why?? |
tribal wyvern
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
673
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Posted - 2012.09.06 03:34:00 -
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"All we are is dust in the wind dude"
Ted Theodore logan |
STB Vermaak Doe
558
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Posted - 2012.09.06 03:38:00 -
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So people can call it how the servers will be, dusty. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
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Posted - 2012.09.06 03:50:00 -
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Revelations 5 : 14 Some interpintations of Ephesians 5 : 14 applies and Ezikel 5 : 14. |
Alamo TAYLOR1
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
16
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Posted - 2012.09.06 04:03:00 -
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They should change the name to, Tanks 514 |
Purple Lipton
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
33
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Posted - 2012.09.06 04:12:00 -
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Alamo TAYLOR1 wrote:They should change the name to, Tanks 514
Have not read this 15 times this week +1
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Fivetimes Infinity
Immobile Infantry
1086
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Posted - 2012.09.06 04:22:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Revelations 5 : 14 Some interpintations of Ephesians 5 : 14 applies and Ezikel 5 : 14.
You seem to post a lot of stuff from IRC or whatever, so normally I'd dismiss the idea that 514 is in fact a Christian reference because it'd be really absurd if true, but... seriously? It's seriously a Biblical reference? Or are you just shooting from the hip? |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
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Posted - 2012.09.06 04:44:00 -
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Fivetimes Infinity wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Revelations 5 : 14 Some interpintations of Ephesians 5 : 14 applies and Ezikel 5 : 14. You seem to post a lot of stuff from IRC or whatever, so normally I'd dismiss the idea that 514 is in fact a Christian reference because it'd be really absurd if true, but... seriously? It's seriously a Biblical reference? Or are you just shooting from the hip?
Hip shot. Eve online pilots been trying to figure out the mystery for 2 years now.
Best reasonable thoery so far is its isogen 514 which is unusal becuase isogen 5 was very hard to make (and no longer existing) but isogent is something that sleepers where rather fond of. we just use it to make warp containment and gravity drives and the sorts and in best cases warheads. |
KripnawtiQ Prime
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
206
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Posted - 2012.09.06 04:52:00 -
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I tried for 2 hours one day to find the answer to this question. I read through page after page of forum posts...followed links to clues and even found some interesting theories. But, for my part, I couldn't find any posts that actually gave a straight answer (not on EVE forums anyway. |
Rugman91
Deep Space Republic
143
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Posted - 2012.09.06 04:57:00 -
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May the gods guide you in your quest |
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Sees-Too-Much
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Posted - 2012.09.06 05:02:00 -
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I'm told it's explained in Templar One which I haven't read. As I understand it it's related to a revolutionary group called "The Dust of Intaki" which lead some manner of rebellion on Intaki V moon 14. |
Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
676
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Posted - 2012.09.06 05:02:00 -
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Fivetimes Infinity wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Revelations 5 : 14 Some interpintations of Ephesians 5 : 14 applies and Ezikel 5 : 14. You seem to post a lot of stuff from IRC or whatever, so normally I'd dismiss the idea that 514 is in fact a Christian reference because it'd be really absurd if true, but... seriously? It's seriously a Biblical reference? Or are you just shooting from the hip? How would it be "absurd"? If you don't believe the Bible to be true, then at least it would be an amazing fantasy. The only reason anyone has a problem with it, is because it's "religious". However, no one has issues with books like "His Dark Materials" or "Narnia" until they learn the religious/anti-religious undertones, and even then they don't really make a stink. |
Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
676
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Posted - 2012.09.06 05:03:00 -
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Sees-Too-Much wrote:I'm told it's explained in Templar One which I haven't read. As I understand it it's related to a revolutionary group called "The Dust of Intaki" which lead some manner of rebellion on Intaki V moon 14. I don't think it's explained in Templar One, considering that no where on the internet you can find any explanation of it. CCP has yet to tell anyone what it means. |
Heinz Doofenshertz
BetaMax.
360
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Posted - 2012.09.06 05:04:00 -
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Ask Gridboss, he knows |
Rugman91
Deep Space Republic
143
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Posted - 2012.09.06 05:07:00 -
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Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:Fivetimes Infinity wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Revelations 5 : 14 Some interpintations of Ephesians 5 : 14 applies and Ezikel 5 : 14. You seem to post a lot of stuff from IRC or whatever, so normally I' d dismiss the idea that 514 is in fact a Christian reference because it'd be really absurd if true, but... seriously? It's seriously a Biblical reference? Or are you just shooting from the hip? How would it be "absurd"? If you don't believe the Bible to be true, then at least it would be an amazing fantasy. The only reason anyone has a problem with it, is because it's "religious". However, no one has issues with books like "His Dark Materials" or "Narnia" until they learn the religious/anti-religious undertones, and even then they don't really make a stink.
It would be absurd because eve/dust is sci-fi not fantasy |
Fivetimes Infinity
Immobile Infantry
1086
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Posted - 2012.09.06 05:14:00 -
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Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:How would it be "absurd"? If you don't believe the Bible to be true, then at least it would be an amazing fantasy. The only reason anyone has a problem with it, is because it's "religious". However, no one has issues with books like "His Dark Materials" or "Narnia" until they learn the religious/anti-religious undertones, and even then they don't really make a stink.
My issue with it is that the EVE galaxy is far-flung from our galaxy and tens of thousands of years into the future. It's about as far removed from anything that might currently exist in our 21st century Earth culture as you can imagine. It would be absurd to reference a religion that doesn't even exist in the fictional setting they've crafted.
But now that we know it was his own guesswork we can stop talking about religion. |
Athene Alland
Red Fox Brigade
108
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Posted - 2012.09.06 05:32:00 -
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DUST 5 1 4...
not sure on the Dust part
but 5 1 4, well there is this
or this (fan fiction)
and a read of Templar One may help as well (and is a damn good book too).
But at the moment meanings are only hinted at.
- 'Ad Mortis Nos Tripudio' - |
Nova Knife
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
786
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Posted - 2012.09.06 06:20:00 -
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Athene's link in the post gives some cool hints. But the full meaning of 514 has not yet been revealed in public.
Maybe soon they'll tell you. |
Gridboss
BetaMax.
185
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Posted - 2012.09.06 06:25:00 -
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I know. |
KripnawtiQ Prime
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
206
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Posted - 2012.09.06 06:32:00 -
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You should seriously share...don't lord over everybody with the info! lol Actually I'd prolly do the same thing |
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Gridboss
BetaMax.
185
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Posted - 2012.09.06 07:04:00 -
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KripnawtiQ Prime wrote:You should seriously share...don't lord over everybody with the info! lol Actually I'd prolly do the same thing
It's fun, you should try it some time |
Enji Elric
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Zombie Ninja Space Bears
176
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Posted - 2012.09.06 07:08:00 -
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Chinese numerology 5=not 1=must 4=die
4 also carries this in japanese mythos 4 being bad luck to the point of a business dying or families
a inside joke about how the infantry never stops because they cannot truly die |
BestNameEva
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
86
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Posted - 2012.09.06 12:24:00 -
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its because there will be battles with 514 people at once.........probably not I'm just wishing |
Muscaat 514
EVE Markets
14
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Posted - 2012.09.06 12:32:00 -
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The Biblical reference theory actually carries a lot of weight. CCP have often named their expansions with a Biblical theme - EVE Online's original subtitle was The Second Genesis, with expansions Exodus, Revelations I and II, Trinity, Apocrypha all carrying the theme. So while it's not been confirmed, to me it seems the most likely of all I've heard.
cf this post at the EVE Online forums... |
KripnawtiQ Prime
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
206
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Posted - 2012.09.06 13:01:00 -
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Gridboss wrote:KripnawtiQ Prime wrote:You should seriously share...don't lord over everybody with the info! lol Actually I'd prolly do the same thing It's fun, you should try it some time
Hahahaaa I believe you.
Its a popular belief that DUST is an acronym because it is always capitalized which is about the only thing that makes any sense. I also read that the title has something to do with cloning, which could further support some of the theories that the numbers represent a specific text (many texts that have been proposed have to do with rising again) though the source is unknown. (Except for gridboss) |
arimal lavaren
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
186
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Posted - 2012.09.06 13:09:00 -
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Since were all learning something, I have a related question who the kitten is Mordu. |
Muscaat 514
EVE Markets
14
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Posted - 2012.09.06 13:23:00 -
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arimal lavaren wrote:Since were all learning something, I have a related question who the kitten is Mordu.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Muryia_Mordu |
arimal lavaren
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
186
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Posted - 2012.09.06 13:35:00 -
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Ah excellent, thank you, I'm really starting to dig the lore of New Eden. /goes off to read a few more chronicles. |
Dev Rhom
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.09.06 13:42:00 -
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arimal lavaren wrote:Ah excellent, thank you, I'm really starting to dig the lore of New Eden. /goes off to read a few more chronicles.
You can read more about Mordu in Templar One novel. But if would, I suggest you to start from the first novel Empyrean Age. |
Gridboss
BetaMax.
185
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Posted - 2012.09.06 13:45:00 -
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DUST itself is pretty obvious, especially if you read Templar One. However, the 514 part is much harder and no one has gotten it yet (though there have been instances in the past where people have come close, but not quite all the way). And I'm not giving hints as to which ones were right, or for getting part way again (heck, chances are I won't even confirm if someone got it right). To quote the Gunnery Sergeant in ME2 "No credit for partial answers maggot!" |
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OG DonHel
65
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Posted - 2012.09.06 13:57:00 -
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Is there still only 514 null sec systems in Eve? |
Dzark Kill
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
115
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Posted - 2012.09.06 14:00:00 -
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Alamo TAYLOR1 wrote:Dum question but yea...why??
DUST was the original Proof of Concept version DUST 1 was a little more polished proof of concept version Dust 514 is though to be the version when the disconnect and invalid fit errors are fixed and it becomes a game... |
Rendiff Jurr
Black Omega Industrial
21
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Posted - 2012.09.06 14:04:00 -
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OG DonHel wrote:Is there still only 514 null sec systems in Eve?
No, there's over 3000
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Dev Rhom
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.09.06 14:06:00 -
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OG DonHel wrote:Is there still only 514 null sec systems in Eve?
Nullsec systems take the majority of New Eden. Some regions (like Venal) is nullsec but are sovereignty of pirate npc factions (Guristats in that case). Take this map: black colored systems cannot have player alliance sovereignty. All the remaining systems are player nullsec.
And then, there are about 2500 wormhole systems. |
OG DonHel
65
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Posted - 2012.09.06 14:10:00 -
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Rendiff Jurr wrote:OG DonHel wrote:Is there still only 514 null sec systems in Eve? No, there's over 3000
I should have clarified it as conquerable null sec, excluding the npc regions. But if theres over 3,000 i'm going to say even without NPC regions there is more then 514.. dam |
Dev Rhom
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.09.06 14:21:00 -
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OG DonHel wrote:Rendiff Jurr wrote:OG DonHel wrote:Is there still only 514 null sec systems in Eve? No, there's over 3000 I should have clarified it as conquerable null sec, excluding the npc regions. But if theres over 3,000 i'm going to say even without NPC regions there is more then 514.. dam
If you want to dive into it, take a look at Dotlan. It is the best map navigator web site known to capsuleer. Click on "Universe" on the top and then navigate through Regions and Planets. |
OG DonHel
65
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Posted - 2012.09.06 14:35:00 -
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Dev Rhom wrote:OG DonHel wrote:Rendiff Jurr wrote:OG DonHel wrote:Is there still only 514 null sec systems in Eve? No, there's over 3000 I should have clarified it as conquerable null sec, excluding the npc regions. But if theres over 3,000 i'm going to say even without NPC regions there is more then 514.. dam If you want to dive into it, take a look at Dotlan. It is the best map navigator web site known to capsuleer. Click on "Universe" on the top and then navigate through Regions and Planets.
Didnt really want to have to do that lol, but I did anyhow. I came up with around 2,540ish player controlled systems :\ and have also decided there is to many ****** renter alliances out there aswell, lol |
Lonewolf514
79
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Posted - 2012.09.06 18:05:00 -
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the amount of times we can die before our clones need replacing. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.09.06 18:09:00 -
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Because Derp69 would have been a silly name. |
Elijah Revan
88
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Posted - 2012.09.06 19:51:00 -
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Fivetimes Infinity wrote:Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:How would it be "absurd"? If you don't believe the Bible to be true, then at least it would be an amazing fantasy. The only reason anyone has a problem with it, is because it's "religious". However, no one has issues with books like "His Dark Materials" or "Narnia" until they learn the religious/anti-religious undertones, and even then they don't really make a stink. My issue with it is that the EVE galaxy is far-flung from our galaxy and tens of thousands of years into the future. It's about as far removed from anything that might currently exist in our 21st century Earth culture as you can imagine. It would be absurd to reference a religion that doesn't even exist in the fictional setting they've crafted. But now that we know it was his own guesswork we can stop talking about religion.
false, the Amarrians are indeed and Christian/Islamic community, it specifically says that they branched off of the Catholic Church |
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Fivetimes Infinity
Immobile Infantry
1086
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Posted - 2012.09.06 20:15:00 -
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Elijah Revan wrote:false, the Amarrians are indeed and Christian/Islamic community, it specifically says that they branched off of the Catholic Church
Well, they are a cruel, slaveholding, evil empire, so it wouldn't surprise me, but from what I can tell their religion has no explicit connection to 21st century religions.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/The_Scriptures |
Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
676
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Posted - 2012.09.06 22:07:00 -
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Fivetimes Infinity wrote:Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:How would it be "absurd"? If you don't believe the Bible to be true, then at least it would be an amazing fantasy. The only reason anyone has a problem with it, is because it's "religious". However, no one has issues with books like "His Dark Materials" or "Narnia" until they learn the religious/anti-religious undertones, and even then they don't really make a stink. My issue with it is that the EVE galaxy is far-flung from our galaxy and tens of thousands of years into the future. It's about as far removed from anything that might currently exist in our 21st century Earth culture as you can imagine. It would be absurd to reference a religion that doesn't even exist in the fictional setting they've crafted. But now that we know it was his own guesswork we can stop talking about religion. Hello? Amarr? lmao. As another poster pointed out, EVE has had several biblical references in the past.
Muscaat 514 wrote:The Biblical reference theory actually carries a lot of weight. CCP have often named their expansions with a Biblical theme - EVE Online's original subtitle was The Second Genesis, with expansions Exodus, Revelations I and II, Trinity, Apocrypha all carrying the theme. So while it's not been confirmed, to me it seems the most likely of all I've heard. cf this post at the EVE Online forums...
Also useful is this:
Quote:Amarrians The Amarrians are the founders of the Amarr Empire, and have a strong sense of tradition and ancestry. Their origins stem from the Conformists, a religious group that split from the United Catholic Church prior to the opening of the EVE gate. Under the leadership of Dano Gheinok they settled the continent of Amarr on the planet of Athra and spread from there. Found this here. |
Nova Knife
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
786
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Posted - 2012.09.06 22:22:00 -
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Reading the chronicle "514" will put you in the right direction.
Also, read Templar one.
Nothing is explicitly revealed but the answers are in the lore for those who seek them. Just gotta put the information together from different sources :) |
KripnawtiQ Prime
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
206
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Posted - 2012.09.06 22:40:00 -
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Nova Knife wrote:Reading the chronicle "514" will put you in the right direction.
Also, read Templar one.
Nothing is explicitly revealed but the answers are in the lore for those who seek them. Just gotta put the information together from different sources :)
Nova Knife...he knows too!! Force him to watch Lady Gaga videos until he tells us the answer!!
Seriously though Nova thanks for the point in the right direction cuz. +1 |
EMPTY SL0T
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
41
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Posted - 2012.09.06 23:02:00 -
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514??? it's code.... but where is the planet Kolob that the Mormon God, Elohim, is from???
just askin'....
M.T.
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Heimdall Valkyrie
0
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Posted - 2012.09.06 23:39:00 -
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Lots of dev-¦s are lougthing in the floor reading this kind of post and saying : "They will never know the truth. We aren-¦t going to say it because if we do, we can-¦t lought with all this kind of post anymore"
Sorry for the english one more time. |
Fivetimes Infinity
Immobile Infantry
1086
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Posted - 2012.09.07 17:40:00 -
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Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:Hello? Amarr? lmao. As another poster pointed out, EVE has had several biblical references in the past.
So what about Amarr? They have some weird space religion with no mention of any of the religious myth from our own time in it that I can see. Anyway, if you want to pretend like you're shooting guys in the year 25000 for the glory of Allah or Odin or Joseph Smith, knock yourself out.
Oh, and exodus/revelations/trinity are not religious words. They are used by a couple of the Abrahamic religions in their texts, but they're not explicitly religious. I think it's more likely CCP chose those names because of the gravity them seem to have due to their common associations, rather than because CCP is a religious game developer and EVE is a religious game. |
Patches The Hyena
204
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Posted - 2012.09.07 18:37:00 -
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Fivetimes Infinity wrote:Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:Hello? Amarr? lmao. As another poster pointed out, EVE has had several biblical references in the past. So what about Amarr? They have some weird space religion with no mention of any of the religious myth from our own time in it that I can see. Anyway, if you want to pretend like you're shooting guys in the year 25000 for the glory of Allah or Odin or Joseph Smith, knock yourself out. Oh, and exodus/revelations/trinity are not religious words. They are used by a couple of the Abrahamic religions in their texts, but they're not explicitly religious. I think it's more likely CCP chose those names because of the gravity them seem to have due to their common associations, rather than because CCP is a religious game developer and EVE is a religious game.
No one said CCP is a religious developer or EVE is a religious game. Simply that there are references, and when your making a virtual society as big and deep as EVE you have to do a lot of writing. So its only natural there would be references to and inspiration taken from much of modern society, including something like the bible which is wide spread enough that even non believers are fairly familiar with its content and themes. |
Revelations 514
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
38
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Posted - 2012.09.07 18:44:00 -
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Patches The Hyena wrote:Fivetimes Infinity wrote:Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:Hello? Amarr? lmao. As another poster pointed out, EVE has had several biblical references in the past. So what about Amarr? They have some weird space religion with no mention of any of the religious myth from our own time in it that I can see. Anyway, if you want to pretend like you're shooting guys in the year 25000 for the glory of Allah or Odin or Joseph Smith, knock yourself out. Oh, and exodus/revelations/trinity are not religious words. They are used by a couple of the Abrahamic religions in their texts, but they're not explicitly religious. I think it's more likely CCP chose those names because of the gravity them seem to have due to their common associations, rather than because CCP is a religious game developer and EVE is a religious game. No one said CCP is a religious developer or EVE is a religious game. Simply that there are references, and when your making a virtual society as big and deep as EVE you have to do a lot of writing. So its only natural there would be references to and inspiration taken from much of modern society, including something like the bible which is wide spread enough that even non believers are fairly familiar with its content and themes.
^I am digging the Demon Soul's name reference, just don't ask me to trust you lol. I am not religious at all, but since I am playing Amarr I took my name from the biblical passage. Revelations 514 means - And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.
Pretty cool with the clones and whatnot. But to add to the discussion I think you have a valid point. |
Fivetimes Infinity
Immobile Infantry
1086
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Posted - 2012.09.07 19:29:00 -
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Patches The Hyena wrote:No one said CCP is a religious developer or EVE is a religious game. Simply that there are references, and when your making a virtual society as big and deep as EVE you have to do a lot of writing. So its only natural there would be references to and inspiration taken from much of modern society, including something like the bible which is wide spread enough that even non believers are fairly familiar with its content and themes.
Let's not forget what the original point was, though. The other guy claimed that the Amarr were a Christian/Islamic theocracy -- as in, an actual Christian/Islamic theocracy, not just comparable to one -- and I disagreed, as they seem to be all about a random space religion.
As for using Christian/Jewish/Islamic/whatever references, that's fine to a point. Culturally, we have a lot of sayings and so-on which come from the Abrahamic religious texts that have since become divorced from their original meanings, but still maintain a sense of gravity. So naturally CCP is going to draw on some of that. And that's fine.
But, that's not what anyone was seriously arguing against. The only thing I wanted to say is that the Amarr aren't Christian/Islamic theocrats (which would be fundamentally impossible anyway) and that using an explicitly Christian reference like a citation from the Book of Revelations would be absurd for the reasons I've already stated (it's the year ~25,000 CE many thousands or millions of lightyears from Earth).
Revelations 514 wrote:I am not religious at all, but since I am playing Amarr I took my name from the biblical passage. Revelations 514 means - And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.
Pretty cool with the clones and whatnot. But to add to the discussion I think you have a valid point.
Less cool taken in context. |
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