DUST Search - The problem isn't the tanks, it's you...

Billi Gene wrote:

I'm not logged in on DUST atm, but I'm fairly sure that the SP cost for LV 1 in FG/Swarm is only something like 30k. That isnt much, and investing in these weapons is so very worthwhile in the long run. After all, getting to know how to use them now, will pay off when they get buffed back up a bit later on :)

From memory swarms suck at shield damage, and forge does badly against armor(please correct me if i am wrong).

As infantry we should be memorising the capabilities of these mechanical murderers.

also from memory... Gunnlogi is shield tank, use a forge gun on it, as per above. Same goes for Viper drop ship, if it makes the mistake of getting too close.

just my 0.02isk/imho

I have driven militia tanks and drop ships, and whilst people will pull out swarms for dropships (i fly the viper..."lol") most will not try to engage a tank... even a nub tank.

Also... don't be hating on me... this guy is an infantry AV specialist :P...i don't actually have any pilot skills, i only use the militia fits, modified to shield tank and spit missiles :P

oh and don't be haters, try flying a drop ship now and then for sh!ts and g!ggles :)


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Super Cargo Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 428	Posted - 2012.09.04 18:40:00 - [1] - Quote Tanks are expensive as sh!t. Therefore they are supposed to be hard to kill. The issue is that not many people are speccing into AV loadouts. If there aren't any AV units on the field, of course you are going to get wrecked by HAVs. Another problem is that there isn't much incentive to spec into an AV class. They are useless against everything except for vehicles (logical I suppose). If they can't fight anything except for vehicles they will usually drop their AV spec in favor of another class that can deal with infantry better. Additionally if someone hasn't started speccing into AV from the start they are gong to want to finish their other class first. For example, I started playing logi. Despite the fact that speccing into AV would hugely benefit my team, I feel like I need to max out the effectiveness of my logi loadout first. Maxing out a class takes forever, so my AV spec won't happen for a looooong time. This isn't about logic in this case. Speccing into AV would help the team, but not many people think in those terms. As a result, HAVs run rampant. So here is what needs to happen: - Buff AV effectiveness versus infantry - Add large incentives for taking down HAVs and dropships It's a start at least.
Super Cargo Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 428	Posted - 2012.09.04 18:52:00 - [2] - Quote EnglishSnake wrote: Super Cargo wrote: take a long time to upgrade. . No they dont fixed in OP. I never use tanks, I wouldn't know.
Super Cargo Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 428	Posted - 2012.09.04 18:59:00 - [3] - Quote J'Jor Da'Wg wrote: Everytime I see an HAV apologist thread, I LOL. "Yeah, tanks don't need fixed. I drive one, I love being invincible. Isn't that reasonable since i put in a little bit of ISK and SP?" You have got to be sh!tting me. I hate tanks, i hate vehicles, and i love playing infantry assault. Vehicles are going to be the very last thing I spec into. I was being objective, unlike you.
Super Cargo Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 428	Posted - 2012.09.04 19:06:00 - [4] - Quote lDocHollidayl wrote: Hey OP, before you post do a little math. SP for tanks is nothing compared to trying to get suit and weapons for tanks and infantry. The black ops tanks....yea lots of SP. The standard.....very little. You just wasted 5 minutes of my life. I will find you on the battlefield. Or just give your name to THOSE GUYS to take care of. It took you five minutes to read that? Sounds like you need remedial reading classes.
Super Cargo Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 428	Posted - 2012.09.04 19:38:00 - [5] - Quote Shiro Mokuzan wrote: I have driven a tank like 2-3 times ever, and all of those times I got blown up because I didn't know what I was doing. I think tanks are fine except for their infinite ammo. If everyone wants DUST balanced for the lowest common denominator, then that is a fantastic suggestion.
Super Cargo Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 428	Posted - 2012.09.04 22:01:00 - [6] - Quote Ignatius Crumwald wrote: If they took tanks out of the game entirely right now there's only about 10 of you who would miss them. The rest of us would enjoy playing an FPS. Yup. Like I said in a post a few weeks ago, CCP should focus on fixing the infantry gun game and then work on vehicles and all that other jazz.
Super Cargo Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 428	Posted - 2012.09.05 04:01:00 - [7] - Quote Billi Gene wrote: I'm not logged in on DUST atm, but I'm fairly sure that the SP cost for LV 1 in FG/Swarm is only something like 30k. That isnt much, and investing in these weapons is so very worthwhile in the long run. After all, getting to know how to use them now, will pay off when they get buffed back up a bit later on :) From memory swarms suck at shield damage, and forge does badly against armor(please correct me if i am wrong). As infantry we should be memorising the capabilities of these mechanical murderers. also from memory... Gunnlogi is shield tank, use a forge gun on it, as per above. Same goes for Viper drop ship, if it makes the mistake of getting too close. just my 0.02isk/imho I have driven militia tanks and drop ships, and whilst people will pull out swarms for dropships (i fly the viper..."lol") most will not try to engage a tank... even a nub tank. Also... don't be hating on me... this guy is an infantry AV specialist :P...i don't actually have any pilot skills, i only use the militia fits, modified to shield tank and spit missiles :P oh and don't be haters, try flying a drop ship now and then for sh!ts and g!ggles :) lol, I like that. This is all good information that I didn't know, thanks.
Super Cargo Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 428	Posted - 2012.09.05 04:02:00 - [8] - Quote Wolf Ritter vonKaldari wrote: Super Cargo wrote: I was being objective, unlike you. You gave us your opinion which is the definition of subjective. My opinion is fact. Get used to it.
Super Cargo Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 428	Posted - 2012.09.05 16:29:00 - [9] - Quote Kyy Seiska wrote: The price or the amount of SP spend don't justify anything. If something needs a team to take down, it should require team to operate properly. Tanks are far too powerful for just one player. I agree, but I still think AV units should get bonuses for taking down vehicles and should be made more effective versus infantry so they aren't useless once the vehicles are destroyed.
Super Cargo Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 428	Posted - 2012.09.05 16:31:00 - [10] - Quote Wolf Ritter vonKaldari wrote: Super Cargo wrote: My opinion is fact. Get used to it. I suppose in your delusional world where you are God and your opinion law that's true, but not here in the real world. You have an opinion, it can be an informed or an uninformed opinion but it can never be anything but subjective to your own experiences. I forgot that you can't be sarcastic when there are forum tryhards around. My apologies, I will label all my jokes with a *j symbol so you know when I'm not being serious.