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Sardonk Eternia
Multnomah Interstellar Holdings Inc.
67
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Posted - 2012.09.04 07:31:00 -
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We think of others that which we know of ourselves.
Think about that.
I don't care about my KDR one bit. I do get pretty involved in trying to win matches with my team, however. |
STB-TedNugent EV
159
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Posted - 2012.09.04 07:33:00 -
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I feel the same exact way. People make assumptions when they have no idea. Keep up the good tanking. I have yet to see one tanker say anything about look how high my k/d is. |
The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1060
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Posted - 2012.09.04 07:39:00 -
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Well i like it to go 25-0 in ambush matches nothing wrong with that. |
Parson Atreides
Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising
131
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Posted - 2012.09.04 07:40:00 -
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I think people would be a little more forgiving (and less frustrated) if a lot of tank drivers didn't camp the other team's base at the end of a match, if it ever gets that far.
And before you say STB doesn't do it, I know you do because I was in the tank when you guys did that once. |
Immortiano Dranon
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
179
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Posted - 2012.09.04 07:40:00 -
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Ok, prove it. Play infantry for a few matches, just for fun. I'm sure you can help your team by capping objectives or doing logi work. Hell, you can even help others take down tanks and see how it's like. I'm sure you'll be fine. |
Sardonk Eternia
Multnomah Interstellar Holdings Inc.
67
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Posted - 2012.09.04 07:51:00 -
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Immortiano Dranon wrote:Ok, prove it. Play infantry for a few matches, just for fun. I'm sure you can help your team by capping objectives or doing logi work. Hell, you can even help others take down tanks and see how it's like. I'm sure you'll be fine.
Done and done. ALL of my Sp are in tank skills but most matches I run an assault fit with militia AR and a nanite injector. I'm not great but my DS3 gun game is getting better and there have been a couple of matches where I did have highest KDR. If i am squad lead I always set objectives to help my team reap more warpoints and drive us toward objectives. I prioritize reviving teammates over kills whenever possible. I always try to cap objectives, and if i see enemy vehicles I put forth 100% effort to stopping them. I have taken out a madrugar with a militia AV fit solo before. Are you happy? |
STB-TedNugent EV
159
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Posted - 2012.09.04 07:57:00 -
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Parson Atreides wrote:I think people would be a little more forgiving (and less frustrated) if a lot of tank drivers didn't camp the other team's base at the end of a match, if it ever gets that far.
And before you say STB doesn't do it, I know you do because I was in the tank when you guys did that once.
Naturally I flock to where the most enemy are. If we cap all the letters and they are pushed back to the spawn why would I be anywhere else? You keep them pinned down so they cant get out and you wint he match. It's all about team work. If you all just stay in squad chat then you have no idea what's going on within the team. I will admit myself I am guilty of only staying in squad chat. I usually roll with 3 other STB though. We are usually on the ball about helping each other with information as to whats going on the battle field. |
The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1060
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Posted - 2012.09.04 08:05:00 -
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The n00bs should be happy that you cant insta kill them anymore after they spawned. In the last build you woulda have beeing destroyed when you lost all 3 objectives. Now you have a save area where you can regroup and think about it what to do next. People should be glad that CCP gave you a save haven for spawning. |
Blunt Smkr
Doomheim
62
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Posted - 2012.09.04 08:14:00 -
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lol i've played a few top tankers when they were running infantry an once they get droped a few times they run back to there tanks. an i've also been in matches when tankers back out of a match cause they went up against a good av squad n lost a few tanks. they didnt even try to go infantry lol. There are only a few tank drivers that i respec but most are cowards that do drive tanks to get high kdr so they can be noticed.
Cant wait until ccp adds easier ways to take out tanks cause i have a feeling there going to be less tanks cause people are going to move onto the next op thing. |
Sardonk Eternia
Multnomah Interstellar Holdings Inc.
67
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Posted - 2012.09.04 08:25:00 -
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Blunt Smkr wrote:lol i've played a few top tankers when they were running infantry an once they get droped a few times they run back to there tanks. an i've also been in matches when tankers back out of a match cause they went up against a good av squad n lost a few tanks. they didnt even try to go infantry lol. There are only a few tank drivers that i respec but most are cowards that do drive tanks to get high kdr so they can be noticed.
Cant wait until ccp adds easier ways to take out tanks cause i have a feeling there going to be less tanks cause people are going to move onto the next op thing.
I like how you missed the point of my post and go on assuming the motives of people who aren't you. Grow a little as a person and accept that you might not know what motivates people. You jumping to all these negative conclusions about other people only shows how YOU really are. |
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Sardonk Eternia
Multnomah Interstellar Holdings Inc.
67
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Posted - 2012.09.04 08:27:00 -
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STB-TedNugent EV wrote: Naturally I flock to where the most enemy are. If we cap all the letters and they are pushed back to the spawn why would I be anywhere else? You keep them pinned down so they cant get out and you wint he match. It's all about team work. If you all just stay in squad chat then you have no idea what's going on within the team. I will admit myself I am guilty of only staying in squad chat. I usually roll with 3 other STB though. We are usually on the ball about helping each other with information as to whats going on the battle field.
^This. He isn't farming kills for some asinine purpose like KDR padding. He is trying to secure a win for his team. Also don't forget that additional kills secure more warpoints for the tanker and his gunners. This is a beta test, everyone should be trying to exploit strong tactics to their maximum effectiveness in order to demonstrate weakness in game design. I personally believe tanks should be balanced by map design. |
STB-LURCHASAURUS EV
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
173
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Posted - 2012.09.04 08:45:00 -
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points mean nothing to me. i dont sleep better at night cause i know my stats are x y or z.....its a number. what does make me happy and the thing that gets me all hot and bothered is winning. im a competitive guy and i do whatever i can to simply beat the other guy. even better if its an utter cockslap to the enemy team. the enemy doesnt like me? they tired of my tank and dont want to fight against me and rage quit? cool, thanks for aiding my teams victory. you cant rage quit in corp battles.
i always back up the infantry on skirmish maps and most of the time, have to deal with teammates who wont hack **** so i have to keep enemy numbers down until someone helpful comes by and when we redline the enemy team i absolutely hold the enemy team down.
what would you like me to do? stand there and let you swarm my tank? let you call in your vehicles so you can retake an objective and become a fighting force again? ive been called a chicken **** for retreating and repping to come back and blow up the av guys but guess what lol, it helps me keep my tank which helps my team win. ted and i probably have a win percentage over 95%. i am very proud of that and i wish that was on the leaderboards cause everything else is pointless to me.
i drive tanks. if i do my job, my k/d will be high.
its funny that someone else is telling me why i do the things i do. they must have a probe in my brain or something.
had a match tonight where i came in partway through and i tried to call in my tank. why wouldnt i? all my points are in tanks. doesnt my team deserve my best effort? or would you rather i go out in s gimped fitting i never use?
anyway, i tried calling in my tank and they had fifty snipers outside the gates on biomass ambush. got me 4 times, three of which were while i was running inside the complex since calling in a vehicle was out of the question. very effective way to keep vehicles out of the equation. |
The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1060
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Posted - 2012.09.04 08:54:00 -
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Driving a tank properly is harder then you might think. You allways need to watch out where you drive. 1 mistake and you blow up fast. Like on the B objective at the old skirmish map you dont drive in the middle there cause of the many flanking options and AV grenade spam. Sure having a very got fitted tank is allways nice but dont forget thats the driver itself who has the skill achieved to wield these tool of destruction effective. And if we loose a tank we learned something new that we have to consider next time. A good tank driver never does the same mistake twice. Espacially if the fit costs him millions of ISK. |
Blunt Smkr
Doomheim
62
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Posted - 2012.09.04 09:22:00 -
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Sardonk Eternia wrote:Blunt Smkr wrote:lol i've played a few top tankers when they were running infantry an once they get droped a few times they run back to there tanks. an i've also been in matches when tankers back out of a match cause they went up against a good av squad n lost a few tanks. they didnt even try to go infantry lol. There are only a few tank drivers that i respec but most are cowards that do drive tanks to get high kdr so they can be noticed.
Cant wait until ccp adds easier ways to take out tanks cause i have a feeling there going to be less tanks cause people are going to move onto the next op thing. I like how you missed the point of my post and go on assuming the motives of people who aren't you. Grow a little as a person and accept that you might not know what motivates people. You jumping to all these negative conclusions about other people only shows how YOU really are.
I didnt miss the point of ur post but i'm also not stupid this is a video game alot of people play like bitches to look good. an i wasnt talking about anyone in particular other then those two examples of tankers worried bout dieing. i'm just tired of joining matches an seeing 2-3 tanks every time. an the reason there are so many tank drivers now is cause people have seen how beast they are its the same with the scouts suits.
oh an im not taking about anyone thats posted in here so far most u guys are alright with me. i just hate tanks rite now |
STB-LURCHASAURUS EV
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
173
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Posted - 2012.09.04 09:31:00 -
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thats too bad if your tired of seeing tanks tho. its only gonna get more hardcore in corp battles where the enemy has tank squads, fighter sorties, controllable mcc's, mtacs...........dude. |
Blunt Smkr
Doomheim
62
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Posted - 2012.09.04 09:42:00 -
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STB-LURCHASAURUS EV wrote:thats too bad if your tired of seeing tanks tho. its only gonna get more hardcore in corp battles where the enemy has tank squads, fighter sorties, controllable mcc's, mtacs...........dude.
i'm not going to be worried bout corp battles cause i'll actually be grouping with people i know an well probably have people to take out tanks. Its just rite now groupin is still glitchy an they havnt added all the counters to tanks yet. |
STB-LURCHASAURUS EV
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
173
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Posted - 2012.09.04 09:46:00 -
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Blunt Smkr wrote:STB-LURCHASAURUS EV wrote:thats too bad if your tired of seeing tanks tho. its only gonna get more hardcore in corp battles where the enemy has tank squads, fighter sorties, controllable mcc's, mtacs...........dude. i'm not going to be worried bout corp battles cause i'll actually be grouping with people i know an well probably have people to take out tanks. Its just rite now groupin is still glitchy an they havnt added all the counters to tanks yet.
well said +1 |
Sardonk Eternia
Multnomah Interstellar Holdings Inc.
67
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Posted - 2012.09.04 09:59:00 -
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Blunt Smkr wrote: i'm not going to be worried bout corp battles cause i'll actually be grouping with people i know an well probably have people to take out tanks. Its just rite now groupin is still glitchy an they havnt added all the counters to tanks yet.
This is the right attitude. I can't wait till they fix the grouping bugs so that we can TEST the group tactics. Of course you can expect to see more spider tanking but it should be interesting to see how competitive the game can get when people are allowed to work as a unit. Also please pass don't bogart the blunt. |
Parson Atreides
Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising
131
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Posted - 2012.09.04 10:56:00 -
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STB-TedNugent EV wrote: Naturally I flock to where the most enemy are. If we cap all the letters and they are pushed back to the spawn why would I be anywhere else? You keep them pinned down so they cant get out and you wint he match.
So when their Warbarge has only a third of its armor left, and yours still has 1/4 of its shields, you don't spawn camp anymore right? Let's stop pretending you do it for any other reason than to get cheap kills and rack up SP.
If you're able to push an enemy all the way back to their initial spawn (in which case you would already have all the cannons), the chances of them ever coming back from that to win the match are really only theoretical. But of course you can try to justify spawn camping under the guise of "oh we're just making sure we win", but anyone who has played this game enough knows that's just a public face for "i want easy kills". |
STB-GoD-NoVa EV
70
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Posted - 2012.09.04 11:10:00 -
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Parson Atreides wrote:STB-TedNugent EV wrote: Naturally I flock to where the most enemy are. If we cap all the letters and they are pushed back to the spawn why would I be anywhere else? You keep them pinned down so they cant get out and you wint he match.
So when their Warbarge has only a third of its armor left, and yours still has 1/4 of its shields, you don't spawn camp anymore right? Let's stop pretending you do it for any other reason than to get cheap kills and rack up SP. If you're able to push an enemy all the way back to their initial spawn (in which case you would already have all the cannons), the chances of them ever coming back from that to win the match are really only theoretical. But of course you can try to justify spawn camping under the guise of "oh we're just making sure we win", but anyone who has played this game enough knows that's just a public face for "i want easy kills".
as much as i hate it, spawn camping is part of the game deal with it. it is in every game. people spawn camp in eve as well, its a great tactic when used at the right time. its gonna happen |
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Kyy Seiska
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
188
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Posted - 2012.09.04 11:37:00 -
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STB-GoD-NoVa EV wrote: as much as i hate it, spawn camping is part of the game deal with it. it is in every game. people spawn camp in eve as well, its a great tactic when used at the right time. its gonna happen
In Killzone3 the last spawn point is protected by immortal turrets with absurdly high damage. You could further improve that by giving those spawning to the main base 3s invulnerability making it very hard for anyone to spawn camp the final enemy base. This would at least allow the loosing team some breathing room to pull themselves together or just pull out the white flag and wait until the timer runs out.
The turrets are strategically placed so they mainly provide breathing room and safe place to spawn, so they don't really help with the actual battle.
As for the objectives, it's only fair that you can get killed by enemy team right after you spawn. Spawning to a hostile area is a high risk high reward kinda decision so you can only blame yourself if you instantly get gunned down.
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Parson Atreides
Ahrendee Mercenaries Legacy Rising
131
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Posted - 2012.09.04 12:11:00 -
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STB-GoD-NoVa EV wrote: as much as i hate it, spawn camping is part of the game deal with it. it is in every game. people spawn camp in eve as well, its a great tactic when used at the right time. its gonna happen
Apply that "it's there so it's fair" logic to anything and a game would never make improvements. If there are some very obscure cases where it might be a legitimate tactic, I don't see how that can trump the 98% of times when it's just a way to get free kills and grief people. |
Beld Errmon
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
479
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Posted - 2012.09.04 12:14:00 -
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Every tank ***** i've caught outside their tank has gone down like the rawest nub, you've got no skill outside of your OP mobile and once CCP irons out the balance you'll be a footnote in history, if not i'll skill into tanks and pwn you at that too :D |
Dewie Cheecham
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
677
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Posted - 2012.09.04 12:46:00 -
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Parson Atreides wrote:I think people would be a little more forgiving (and less frustrated) if a lot of tank drivers didn't camp the other team's base at the end of a match, if it ever gets that far.
And before you say STB doesn't do it, I know you do because I was in the tank when you guys did that once.
Actually, successfully camping the oppositions base is the ultimate victory, and that is what makes it so sweet. And as I've been on both sides of that tactic, I can see where it is frustrating. It is however also fun in a way, as it becomes a challenge. A game of cat and mouse, trying to break the camp. |
Dewie Cheecham
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
677
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Posted - 2012.09.04 12:50:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:Every tank ***** i've caught outside their tank has gone down like the rawest nub, you've got no skill outside of your OP mobile and once CCP irons out the balance you'll be a footnote in history, if not i'll skill into tanks and pwn you at that too :D
Yes. Tanks require completely different skills, and tank specialists don't waste skills on suits and weapons they don't need. So stating that tank drivers are **** for being easy to kill outside their tanks, is like saying an infantry is **** for being killed by a tank, because he's not being IN a tank.
Beld. You are a looser. The worst kind of looser. The kind who have to pad yourself on your shoulders for a rare victory, because no one else will. Come back when you have grown some hair. |
STB-GoD-NoVa EV
70
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Posted - 2012.09.04 13:01:00 -
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Parson Atreides wrote:STB-GoD-NoVa EV wrote: as much as i hate it, spawn camping is part of the game deal with it. it is in every game. people spawn camp in eve as well, its a great tactic when used at the right time. its gonna happen
Apply that "it's there so it's fair" logic to anything and a game would never make improvements. If there are some very obscure cases where it might be a legitimate tactic, I don't see how that can trump the 98% of times when it's just a way to get free kills and grief people.
so what should these people who spawn camp do? retreat and let the enemy team out so they can have a fighting chance? im sorry to say but if you get push back beyond the red line then you deserve it. now it has gotten a lot better since last build since you wont die instantly, and there are ways to leave the spawn. i can see if someone spawn camps the enemy team while his/her own team is losing, thats just not right. but to me this is like a tug-of-war game and if my team jumps on yours and pins you down then we will kick dirt in your eye and will continue to unless your team muscles on a fighting chance and pushes us off. you should create your own fighting chance, dont rely on the developers to hand you a fighting chance. |
Beld Errmon
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
479
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Posted - 2012.09.04 13:08:00 -
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Dewie Cheecham wrote:[quote=Beld Errmon] Beld. You are a looser. The worst kind of looser. The kind who have to pad yourself on your shoulders for a rare victory, because no one else will. Come back when you have grown some hair.
Oh really, I think the people that have played against me might disagree, if i could be bothered to look you up I'm sure I'll find you don't even stand on the same planet in regards to skill and victory.
Unlike tank whores i get fanmail rather then hatemail buddy. |
dent 308
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
967
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Posted - 2012.09.04 14:16:00 -
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Tanks are tools used to crush the enemy and secure victory.
Dedicated tankers put as much SP and effort into their skilling and practice as any other trade. The payoff for them is they can risk very expensive hardware and reap the reward.
Tanks are tough, but they can be popped, and if you can't pop it you can still probably encourage him to attack in another direction.
I play logi fulltime on this build btw and own 0 tanks, however I work with tankers and they are not solo killing machines. They are an asset to the team, while at the same time requiring a team to really excel.
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Shadows Maker
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
129
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Posted - 2012.09.04 14:47:00 -
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The scoreboards does not lie I am a HAV user my self and my KDR is sky rocketing everyday even though i joined this build kinda late so yes tank drivers ARE KDR padding. btw this is not the account i use in-game |
4447
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
649
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Posted - 2012.09.04 14:55:00 -
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can't camp with artillery... |
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