I agree with this, but I do think they need limited ammo.

Ammo for all! I run av day and night and i can say we should all have ammo we have to purchase

Ps mass drivers, scramblers, swarms and sniper rifles (possibly forge guns also) need a capacity buff

Disclaimer: I will only fight to the death for swarms and mass drivers.

They are rather lacking on ammunition. Also, the fact that Mass Drives have an 8-tube magazine that can only be loaded with 4-rounds just grinds on my sense of aesthetics.

As to the idea of shutting down turrets via capacitor, it looks like the capacitor idea has gone by the wayside completely due to it being too complicated, which I heartily support. To make the point fully, for anyone that hasn't played EVE, it would originally have been possible to set up an active tank in Dust like you could in EVE, using capacitor upgrades to allow you to run your shield boosters constantly while using only missile turrets, that use no capacitor. Imagine your favorite Sagaris fit to hate with the ability to permanently rep off any and all damage you throw at it. Yeah.

As a 4-year EVE player, even the dreaded Curse can be countered if you play your cards right. Having cooldown times for modules instead of capacitor usage was a better move. No ides what that'll mean for Ewar and turrets, though.

Also, I'm assuming this is still a support for ammo counts?

Yes or an ask for unlimited for all (aka assault forge spam Creator)

I mean, if you think about it from a universe standpoint, if ground vehicles have unlimited ammo capacities, why the hell do the immortal demi-god capsuleers have to buy ammo for their ships? If a Sagaris can throw missiles around for hours on end with no penalties, why can't my Rattlesnake do the same thing?

Nanohives need matter to convert to ammo so it wouldn't work in eve (at most locations)

But the nanites themselves are consumed in the replication process, which is why they themselves expire after a certain number of uses. Thus, carrying them becomes inefficient when trying to use them to replicate larger ammunition, as said ammunition will require a greater number of nanites to be consumed, thus requiring a larger device, thus requiring more space to house it, and you're well on the way to carrying a highly-advanced and only semi-practical hunk of metal in your vehicle, taking up the space you could be using to store ammunition.

I really appreciate all these alternate explanations, by the way. Very good for discussion.

Thanks i approach new angles constantly on this forum

Always good to see people doing that.

@Shiro My thoughts exactly. The issue is less one of their defensive abilities and more their ability to just mow down everything because they don't have to conserve ammunition. I mean, this might seem like a problem now, but can you imagine Fighters and MTACs with unlimited ammo counts? That doesn't even bear thinking about. I'm fairly certain that unlimited ammo won't be kept, since CCP likes to make things match up neatly, but I'm still interested in other opinions on this, since I've seen quite a few since getting into these forums.

Mtacs with infinite ammo?( Eye twitches and heavy suit commits suicide)

I totally agree on that topic. Instead of having to choose between different missile launcher etc. It should be more reliant on the type of missile we use. I also agree on having a limited supply of ammo or cap to create a balance tool to AV. Right now the favour is at the HAVs with being FASTER, HAVING UNLIMITED AMMO and MORE SP/AP. LAVs are les seffective as they have only small turrets and are much more squishy to AV weapons.

In Eve "tiny" and "frigate" don't quite go together. The ships in eve are huge. The largest autocannons fire shells larger than the biggest artillery shell we've ever created. By scale, that probably means that frigate sized autocannon ammo is about the size of a man. So if you want a lore reason why ships don't have nanohives, here's a few for you.

1) The nanobots in a nanohive can only reliably create an object as large as your arm. Maybe due to safeguards put in place on the nanobots themselves to prevent a grey goo scenario.
2) Alternatively, there simply isn't enough availability of raw resources in space to actually build what is needed. This makes sense. Even the most basic of frigate autocannon shells uses hard to find materials like isogen.
3) They don't have nanohives? Maybe they do! Maybe for reasons of storage space what you get when you buy ammo in Eve isn't a physical shell, but a pile of materials and enough nanobots to turn it into the item you purchased right before you use it.

I don't really see a problem with tanks having unlimited ammunition, from a gameplay standpoint. Battles only last 15 minutes right now and it doesn't seem unreasonable at all that a tank could spend 10 straight minutes firing its weapons. Current day tanks can do it. Why can't ours? Stop whining and find some cover, and recognize that you take a huge risk by running in front of a hostile tank.

Minmatar have been winning almost all of the corp battles despite Amarr dropping several madrugars / gunnlogi per battle. We didn't even have many guys with training in AV weapons. I killed a madrugar with a militia fit that I slapped AV nades on. We also used teamwork to earn an orbital strike, which I dropped on a gunnlogi. The only non-militia tank I've seen survive the corp battles is one that ran away and hid in his own base where we couldn't reach him for the rest of the round. Even 6 guys with militia swarms can put some serious hurt on a tank.

In Eve "tiny" and "frigate" don't quite go together. The ships in eve are huge. The largest autocannons fire shells larger than the biggest artillery shell we've ever created. By scale, that probably means that frigate sized autocannon ammo is about the size of a man. So if you want a lore reason why ships don't have nanohives, here's a few for you.

1) The nanobots in a nanohive can only reliably create an object as large as your arm. Maybe due to safeguards put in place on the nanobots themselves to prevent a grey goo scenario.
2) Alternatively, there simply isn't enough availability of raw resources in space to actually build what is needed. This makes sense. Even the most basic of frigate autocannon shells uses hard to find materials like isogen.
3) They don't have nanohives? Maybe they do! Maybe for reasons of storage space what you get when you buy ammo in Eve isn't a physical shell, but a pile of materials and enough nanobots to turn it into the item you purchased right before you use it.

I don't really see a problem with tanks having unlimited ammunition, from a gameplay standpoint. Battles only last 15 minutes right now and it doesn't seem unreasonable at all that a tank could spend 10 straight minutes firing its weapons. Current day tanks can do it. Why can't ours? Stop whining and find some cover, and recognize that you take a huge risk by running in front of a hostile tank.

Minmatar have been winning almost all of the corp battles despite Amarr dropping several madrugars / gunnlogi per battle. We didn't even have many guys with training in AV weapons. I killed a madrugar with a militia fit that I slapped AV nades on. We also used teamwork to earn an orbital strike, which I dropped on a gunnlogi. The only non-militia tank I've seen survive the corp battles is one that ran away and hid in his own base where we couldn't reach him for the rest of the round. Even 6 guys with militia swarms can put some serious hurt on a tank.

Actually the smallest is 75mm gatling. That's only 3 inches in diameter. Equivalent of the French 75s from WWI. Except at the rate the autocannon fires majorly puts the French 75 to shame. Definitely agree on the biggest though. Artillery and autocannons have the biggest with the 6x2500mm autocannon. And then the Quad 3200mm artillery. Biggest anyone on this planet has made was 800mm. And that was in WWII.