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Paradox-Raider
Talon Company Mercs
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Posted - 2012.08.31 14:35:00 -
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Why have you nerfed heavies?! All heavies now have 650 armour, which must be a statistical error, but regardless all the heavies have lost a lot of armour? And forges and swarms have lost a LOT of damage. Swarms now do 100 less damage per rocket and forge guns lost 25% of their damage?! Why has this been done? How will we fight tanks now?
Edit- (thanks Villanor Aquarius)
Swarms and forge guns now do -25% dam
Swarm launcher now has max range -400m
Advanced and Proto suits now have same shields/armour as type 1
It's temporary, at the moment. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
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Posted - 2012.08.31 14:39:00 -
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Not just heavies... all suits. |
RolyatDerTeufel
D3ath D3alers
RISE of LEGION
1648
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Posted - 2012.08.31 14:39:00 -
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Paradox-Raider wrote:Why have you nerfed heavies?! All heavies now have 650 armour, which must be a statistical error, but regardless all the heavies have lost a lot of armour? And forges and swarms have lost a LOT of damage. Swarms now do 100 less damage per rocket and forge guns lost 25% of their damage?! Why has this been done? How will we fight tanks now?
2 guys
3 AV grenades, and a few advanced swarm launcher rounds after getting in correct position to do so. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
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Posted - 2012.08.31 14:42:00 -
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RolyatDerTeufel wrote:Paradox-Raider wrote:Why have you nerfed heavies?! All heavies now have 650 armour, which must be a statistical error, but regardless all the heavies have lost a lot of armour? And forges and swarms have lost a LOT of damage. Swarms now do 100 less damage per rocket and forge guns lost 25% of their damage?! Why has this been done? How will we fight tanks now? 2 guys 3 AV grenades, and a few advanced swarm launcher rounds after getting in correct position to do so.
No seriously look at the HP values of all the protosuit vs miltia. You'll rage. |
Kleanur Guy
SyNergy Gaming
154
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Posted - 2012.08.31 14:43:00 -
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Let's see.
1 well fitted AV Heavy - 250k ISK.
3 well fitted people in a tank - 2 mil+ ISK.
HEY GUYTHHHH! HOW COME I CANT KILL A TANK? I HAVE AN AV GRENADE BUT IT NO WORK. |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
1904
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Posted - 2012.08.31 14:44:00 -
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RolyatDerTeufel wrote:
2 guys
3 AV grenades, and a few advanced swarm launcher rounds after getting in correct position to do so.
AKA, run around all match with a weapon that can't hit infantry in the hopes that the tank breaks cover long enough for you to get off a couple good shots, before getting sniped.
<3 AV
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Paradox-Raider
Talon Company Mercs
54
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Posted - 2012.08.31 14:46:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Not just heavies... all suits.
All suits have the what I hope is a statistical error, but only heavies have lost armour. Type 1 used to have 800 armour, now it has 650. Why have they nerfed all av? |
mikegunnz
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
RISE of LEGION
425
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Posted - 2012.08.31 14:55:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:RolyatDerTeufel wrote:
2 guys
3 AV grenades, and a few advanced swarm launcher rounds after getting in correct position to do so.
AKA, run around all match with a weapon that can't hit infantry in the hopes that the tank breaks cover long enough for you to get off a couple good shots, before getting sniped. <3 AV
Exactly, I wouldn't mind the Forge Gun as much. At least it has a CHANCE of killing some infantry too.
Swarm Launcher, is USELESS for anti-infantry, which means it better be pretty good for AV....problem now, (assuming it does 100 dmg less per rocket, as a poster mentioned) IT'S NOT EVEN GOOD FOR AV ANYMORE!!!!! |
Paradox-Raider
Talon Company Mercs
54
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Posted - 2012.08.31 14:59:00 -
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Av grenades *seem* to do less damage too. Maybe now its only x8 more dam rather than x10 |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
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Posted - 2012.08.31 15:03:00 -
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All AV options where nerfed btw to account for vehicles having 'weak spots' now or should. |
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CCP Frame
C C P
C C P Alliance
470
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Posted - 2012.08.31 15:04:00 -
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Keep in mind that all these changes are temporary. Nothing is set in stone here. |
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Impured Heredia
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.08.31 15:05:00 -
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they actually did reduce the health for the heavies and nerfed one of the heavy only weapons .... is there a reason to go as heavy or are we just big slow expensive targets now?
i understand they are testing it and it might all go back as it was but it's a big hit towards heavies then other classes.
especially me when one of my character is a heavy forge gun spec and my other is a assault swarm launcher spec. i made it my purpose to be anti tank because how OP they are and now i feel like I'm dead no matter what |
Knarf Black
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
397
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Posted - 2012.08.31 15:07:00 -
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Has anyone noticed any stat changes to HAVs? The corp battles tonight are going to be tank-a-palooza otherwise. |
fenrir storm
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
314
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Posted - 2012.08.31 15:08:00 -
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Probably because most heavies I come across either have an assault rifle or smg equipped and don't bother going antitank |
Skihids
Tritan-Industries
Legacy Rising
969
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Posted - 2012.08.31 15:16:00 -
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We are going to have to start fielding anti-tank dropships, just like the A-10 is used today. |
mikegunnz
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
RISE of LEGION
425
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Posted - 2012.08.31 15:18:00 -
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Impured Heredia wrote:they actually did reduce the health for the heavies and nerfed one of the heavy only weapons .... is there a reason to go as heavy or are we just big slow expensive targets now?
i understand they are testing it and it might all go back as it was but it's a big hit towards heavies then other classes.
especially me when one of my character is a heavy forge gun spec and my other is a assault swarm launcher spec. i made it my purpose to be anti tank because how OP they are and now i feel like I'm dead no matter what
CCP should now sell Aurum Heavy suit, that has red/white target pattern on the torso of the suit. It will be very fitting. |
Korey Sangrenta
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
16
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Posted - 2012.08.31 15:22:00 -
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I want my heavy suit and forge gun sp refunded lol there's no more point to run it, I like flying dropships and I'm good at it I'll take tanks out that way |
Gelan Corbaine
BetaMax.
103
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Posted - 2012.08.31 15:24:00 -
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fenrir storm wrote:Probably because most heavies I come across either have an assault rifle or smg equipped and don't bother going antitank
How the kitten are we supposed to afford our AV stuff if we don't kill people from time to time ? This stuff aint cheap and in case you haven't noticed heavies in AV fit life expectancies aint exactly high among all the dust bunnies. |
Villanor Aquarius
Shattered Ascension
79
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Posted - 2012.08.31 15:26:00 -
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Check out the patch notes at the end of the server down time announcement. The drop suit hp changes sounds temporary in order to determine the effect the different slot layouts have so that hp can then be balanced based on a better balanced base. |
DOCTORHITDETECTOR
18
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Posted - 2012.08.31 15:32:00 -
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fenrir storm wrote:Probably because most heavies I come across either have an assault rifle or smg equipped and don't bother going antitank
Probably.............. Because it's pointless !  |
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DOCTORHITDETECTOR
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Posted - 2012.08.31 15:35:00 -
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Kleanur Guy wrote:Let's see.
1 well fitted AV Heavy - 250k ISK.
3 well fitted people in a tank - 2 mil+ ISK.
HEY GUYTHHHH! HOW COME I CANT KILL A TANK? I HAVE AN AV GRENADE BUT IT NO WORK.
NO..... Let me see....
AV guy dies avg between 1 and 10 times per match.
TANK......... Virtually invincible with all AV nerfs......
So I guess your math sucks pal. |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
2283
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Posted - 2012.08.31 15:36:00 -
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lolDUST goin places........
nerf infantry and AV.....leave tanks just as they are GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!! |
fenrir storm
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
314
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Posted - 2012.08.31 15:49:00 -
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Gelan Corbaine wrote:fenrir storm wrote:Probably because most heavies I come across either have an assault rifle or smg equipped and don't bother going antitank How the kitten are we supposed to afford our AV stuff if we don't kill people from time to time ? This stuff aint cheap and in case you haven't noticed heavies in AV fit life expectancies aint exactly high among all the dust bunnies.
Just an idea but they give you free assault suits so you can earn isk and sp and use that for your custom heavy fit or are they not as good as these so very weak heavie builds |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
1904
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Posted - 2012.08.31 15:52:00 -
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Paradox-Raider wrote:Av grenades *seem* to do less damage too. Maybe now its only x8 more dam rather than x10
Well, now all they have to do is patch out paper airplanes, and patch in dropships.
Or better yet, give us a god damn gunship, and make dropships more responsive so they can DROP and EXTRACT!!! |
Gelan Corbaine
BetaMax.
103
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Posted - 2012.08.31 16:19:00 -
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fenrir storm wrote:Gelan Corbaine wrote:fenrir storm wrote:Probably because most heavies I come across either have an assault rifle or smg equipped and don't bother going antitank How the kitten are we supposed to afford our AV stuff if we don't kill people from time to time ? This stuff aint cheap and in case you haven't noticed heavies in AV fit life expectancies aint exactly high among all the dust bunnies. Just an idea but they give you free assault suits so you can earn isk and sp and use that for your custom heavy fit or are they not as good as these so very weak heavie builds
Just because we are clones doesn't mean we should be kittening clones of each other .... I put my points into heavy suits so I damn well am going to use em . |
fenrir storm
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
314
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Posted - 2012.08.31 16:34:00 -
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Gelan Corbaine wrote:fenrir storm wrote:Gelan Corbaine wrote:fenrir storm wrote:Probably because most heavies I come across either have an assault rifle or smg equipped and don't bother going antitank How the kitten are we supposed to afford our AV stuff if we don't kill people from time to time ? This stuff aint cheap and in case you haven't noticed heavies in AV fit life expectancies aint exactly high among all the dust bunnies. Just an idea but they give you free assault suits so you can earn isk and sp and use that for your custom heavy fit or are they not as good as these so very weak heavie builds Just because we are clones doesn't mean we should be kittening clones of each other .... I put my points into heavy suits so I damn well am going to use em .
If you cant afford to lose it don't use it, there are options there for you , your choice you cant have it all ways, if you just want to earn isk and sp use what they give you if your with your corp or friends put your best on.
No disrespect inteded, but thats how I do it but as I say it's up to you. |
William HBonney
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
318
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Posted - 2012.08.31 16:43:00 -
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I am simply baffled...just baffled.... AV needed a buff, not a nerf, anyhoo this will no longer be a FPS but tank wars....CCP loves vehicles so I suppose I should have suspected it was going to go this way...A temp fix?? Now swarms can't kill LAVs, and prototype tanks will not be killed, unless fighting another tank or the driver is a complete kitten... |
Knarf Black
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
397
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Posted - 2012.08.31 16:45:00 -
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William HBonney wrote:I am simply baffled...just baffled.... AV needed a buff, not a nerf, anyhoo this will no longer be a FPS but tank wars....CCP loves vehicles so I suppose I should have suspected it was going to go this way...A temp fix?? Now swarms can't kill LAVs, and prototype tanks will not be killed, unless fighting another tank or the driver is a complete kitten...
It'll never happen, but we should protest by refusing to call down vehicles and only playing low level infantry vs. infantry for the corp matches. |
Gelan Corbaine
BetaMax.
103
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Posted - 2012.08.31 16:45:00 -
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fenrir storm wrote:
If you cant afford to lose it don't use it, there are options there for you , your choice you cant have it all ways, if you just want to earn isk and sp use what they give you if your with your corp or friends put your best on.
No disrespect inteded, but thats how I do it but as I say it's up to you.
Who says I can't afford it ? When I'm AV I end in the red when I'm AI I end in the black . Thus I go Ai to afford those godly expensive AV fits when the time comes becuase I WILL need them if I want to be useful to my squad when that tank comes about , My point is that if I do it in a fat suit is no concern of yours .
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fenrir storm
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
314
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Posted - 2012.08.31 16:53:00 -
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How the kitten are we supposed to afford our AV stuff if we don't kill people from time to time ? This stuff aint cheap and in case you haven't noticed heavies in AV fit life expectancies aint exactly high among all the dust bunnies.[/quote]
Your previous post made your last one invalid nothing else to say. |
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