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Marwan2
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
60
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Posted - 2012.08.30 20:21:00 -
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I tried to play 2-3 days after the beta went into Singularity and the guns still didn't feel right.
Hit detection was better but I still didn't get that AAA shooter feeling (where I aim is where I hit and the hits register, gun movement is fluid, strafing speed works, etc., kinda like in Killzone 3).
EDIT: I haven't played since. Mehhhhhh... |
Marwan2
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
60
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Posted - 2012.08.30 20:30:00 -
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INB4 this is a beta and Dust is not COD, I KNOW and I didn't get into this beta to play COD or BF, I got into it to play a strategic FPS with politics and an economy, etc... but the shooting mechanics have left me very disappointed, I am back to playing Killzone, I hope CCP can fix this, if not this game will not succeed, guaranteed. |
Ten-Sidhe
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
414
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Posted - 2012.08.30 20:43:00 -
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It's better, but still needs work. It should be fixed by launch, just need to let ccp know when it happens. Lag and needing to lead shots also make problem seem worse. last game I played I could see somebody aiming about 20degrees behind where I was. It must have been displaying me where I was before I strafed so he was aiming at a ghost. This probably the real issue with scout suits, not the suit itself but the lag and hit detection making things that move hard to hit. |
Obama DAT
Doomheim
389
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Posted - 2012.08.30 21:04:00 -
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I'm having no issues with hit detection in the new build. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.08.30 21:33:00 -
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It's all just a little bit wonky this beta. |
wibblybob
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.08.30 21:40:00 -
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Ive not heard anyone mention this before which is why i have kept it to myself, hit detection is better but with sniper rifles, if an enemy is stood close to an obstacle, either structural or natural(rock formation etc) sometimes, not all the time but sometimes, the shot does not register, it seems that once it does it the first time on a particular shot, theres no chance of hitting the player its affected. I know as i ve tried, emtyping 5 or 6 magasines trying to hit the same player from two or three vantage points.
But as soon as i go after someone else thing s go back to normal. Not sure if anyone else has experienced this but there you have it |
achiever
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2012.08.30 21:48:00 -
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hit detection is ok it just lag that messing everything up some games i can hit everything and some it just get fubar like i have too aim 2 or 3 in up down left or right too hit tell me its lag there moveing i just cant see it
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FatalFlaw V1
ISK Faucet Industries
76
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Posted - 2012.08.30 23:57:00 -
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I really hate to say it but I feel like the best build was the one out a few months ago, pre swarm launcher fix.
Everyone complained about hit detection in that build, but once you learned how to lead a moving target, every single bullet would hit.
This build? Single shots and limited burst fire seem reliable, but try going full auto spray with an SMG or AR and nothing hits.
Don't even get me started on the infinite loading bug when waiting for a map to start. |
STB-LURCHASAURUS EV
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
173
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Posted - 2012.08.31 00:04:00 -
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note that aim assist is off in this build by default. your "fluid" AAA experience is normally loaded with all kinds of aim assist... |
Van Aewulf
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2012.08.31 00:49:00 -
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I find hit detection to be problematic too. Something is definitely off when shooting people with the sniper rifle.
That being said, it's very close to being excellent... but I've unloaded 5 and 6 rounds into character models and know that the round would've hit but all I get is a blue flash. I really mean the shot was dead on, there's no way it could've missed by an inch... we're talking shots taken from less than 30 meters, and possibly less than 20 meters. They were very close. |
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John Chevelle
2
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Posted - 2012.08.31 10:29:00 -
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wibblybob wrote:Ive not heard anyone mention this before which is why i have kept it to myself, hit detection is better but with sniper rifles, if an enemy is stood close to an obstacle, either structural or natural(rock formation etc) sometimes, not all the time but sometimes, the shot does not register, it seems that once it does it the first time on a particular shot, theres no chance of hitting the player its affected. I know as i ve tried, emtyping 5 or 6 magasines trying to hit the same player from two or three vantage points.
But as soon as i go after someone else thing s go back to normal. Not sure if anyone else has experienced this but there you have it
I have.
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4447
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
649
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Posted - 2012.08.31 10:34:00 -
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being a scout i can put a full clip in someone and there's no damage |
Kitt 514
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
94
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Posted - 2012.08.31 11:02:00 -
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Here's a little experiment.
Next time you play BF3, or COD, or whatever else it is you play, go into settings, gameplay, then turn aim assist off.
Now go around shooting people.
Unfortunately, gamers these days have this expectation that whenever you aim at someone, the computer is going to put the crosshairs in the middle of their chest all by itself. This means that when there is a game with very little auto-aim, they get all up in arms.
I prefer shooters without thanks. |
Smaliano
4
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Posted - 2012.08.31 11:21:00 -
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Yes it's kittens anoying to unload a clip of bullets to an enemy to find out that it didn't do any damage.
Now what should be noted is:
* auto aim assist is nerfed that in my opinion is good thing. In shooters there should not be this kind of assists at all. One bosts of skill to shoot amazing kill streaks and funilly enough the machine is aiding one 'here i'll help you out.'.
* shots not registering at all, even if shot point-blank range or lagg behind several seconds. This is terrible and should het fixed in next patch.
* your charachters in-game skills affect somewhat how much damage you are doing and accuracy/spread of weapons etc.
And this is one thing I believe what throws some people off. That gun handling gets better in time when you invest SP into appropriate skills.
*now on the bullet should hit where I point thing. sure if in close to mid range and using appropriate weapons and skills to reduce bullet spread. But in my opinion there should be physics calculations involved. ie. if shooting across a big map with sniper rifle the bullet should drop it's trajectory according to local gravity. Not to go straight path. |
gabriel login
CrimeWave Syndicate
8
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Posted - 2012.08.31 11:43:00 -
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my problem is the aiming is not smooth an there is no dead zone options on the sticks. i think if thay add a dead zone option it will help a lot cuz at this point i can move my stick like 2in befor the crosshair moves an that alone will make hitting a moveing target harder than it needs to be. |
fenrir storm
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
314
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Posted - 2012.08.31 11:49:00 -
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Kitt 514 wrote:Here's a little experiment.
Next time you play BF3, or COD, or whatever else it is you play, go into settings, gameplay, then turn aim assist off.
Now go around shooting people.
Unfortunately, gamers these days have this expectation that whenever you aim at someone, the computer is going to put the crosshairs in the middle of their chest all by itself. This means that when there is a game with very little auto-aim, they get all up in arms.
I prefer shooters without thanks.
I don't play with aim assist but when you are having problems at spitting distance at a stationary target with his back to you with a shot gun somethnig is wrong |
JonnyAugust
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
RISE of LEGION
212
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Posted - 2012.08.31 17:35:00 -
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Marwan2 wrote:INB4 this is a beta and Dust is not COD, I KNOW and I didn't get into this beta to play COD or BF, I got into it to play a strategic FPS with politics and an economy, etc... but the shooting mechanics have left me very disappointed, I am back to playing Killzone, I hope CCP can fix this, if not this game will not succeed, guaranteed.
I hear ya . Gun game needs some serious work. Judging from all the thread titles now it seems the only ppl that still come here are obsessed EVE players since they don't know what the term "gun mechanics" even means |
Weisza Gaelen
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.08.31 19:36:00 -
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The sensitivity is my biggest problem. Trying to aim is like trying to fly a kite in a hurricane. My crosshairs are just twitching all over the place trying to aim at a guy. I have sensitivity all the way to zero and with aim assist on, but aiming is still way harder than it needs to be. |
crazy space
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
879
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Posted - 2012.08.31 19:51:00 -
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it's all server side hit detection. So when the servers are being dumb hit detection will get bad. That's what we trade for getting dust as an mmo. |
SkunkyUK
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2012.08.31 19:54:00 -
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Worse than the last build. |
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xprotoman23
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
1452
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Posted - 2012.08.31 19:54:00 -
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i play games on japanese servers ( i live in the US) that has better hit detection and less lag than DUST. |
SILENTSAM 69
Pro Hic Immortalis
RISE of LEGION
421
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Posted - 2012.08.31 20:07:00 -
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Hit detection... the new goto excuse for missing a person.
If you can put people in the middle of your crosshairs, they get hit! This isn't CoD where hitting an extended finger counts as a body shot. This is what good hit detection is like.
Sometimes there is lag, but other than that the hit detection is not an issue. Quit whinning and learn to aim. |
Encharrion
L.O.T.I.S.
Legacy Rising
104
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Posted - 2012.08.31 20:23:00 -
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Strangely enough, I had issues with hit detection at the beginning of this build, but not so much now. I still need to lead some targets by quite a bit occasionally, but most of the time my bullets hit just fine. I guess I just have a good connection or something. Also, the shields flare even on a near miss, so the blue flash doesn't mean you hit them. |
JonnyAugust
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
RISE of LEGION
212
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Posted - 2012.09.01 01:54:00 -
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SILENTSAM 69 wrote:Hit detection... the new goto excuse for missing a person.
If you can put people in the middle of your crosshairs, they get hit! This isn't CoD where hitting an extended finger counts as a body shot. This is what good hit detection is like.
Sometimes there is lag, but other than that the hit detection is not an issue. Quit whinning and learn to aim.
Epic fail when the guy above you in comments has the highest KDR in the beta every single build lol and he says the opposite of you. |
Zat Earthshatter
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
304
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Posted - 2012.09.01 02:06:00 -
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One thing i've always noticed about hit detection - the shots that mess up still produce the same "shield-block" effect on the target.
That either means:
the hit-scans in the shots themselves aren't properly matched up with animations (3-dimensional programming UGH)
Or the game has a hard time distinguishing friend from foe in some cases. (FF turned off atm) |
4447
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
649
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Posted - 2012.09.01 20:15:00 -
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Zat Earthshatter wrote:One thing i've always noticed about hit detection - the shots that mess up still produce the same "shield-block" effect on the target.
That either means:
the hit-scans in the shots themselves aren't properly matched up with animations (3-dimensional programming UGH)
Or the game has a hard time distinguishing friend from foe in some cases. (FF turned off atm)
yea i see that a lot. |
William HBonney
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
318
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Posted - 2012.09.01 21:00:00 -
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STB-LURCHASAURUS EV wrote:note that aim assist is off in this build by default. your "fluid" AAA experience is normally loaded with all kinds of aim assist...
aim assist, does that help your splash damage in a tank? i think this thread is for the mercs on foot. Hit detection is meh' but I think that has a lot to do with lag and latency, I have had that sniper 'glitch" where my scope is orange cuz I am on the dude's head and the bullet never connects.. |
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