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STB-stlcarlos989 EV wrote:

Goliath Raven wrote:

STB-stlcarlos989 EV wrote:

Goliath Raven wrote:

STB-stlcarlos989 EV wrote:

Actually because I hacked objectives, destroyed vehicles, destroyed installations, and got tons of kills and assists, and knew how to use squad leader commands.

This is exactly the mentality I disdain. I was because I, I, I, I. I want more focus on teams in this game and less focus on the 'I's. Hopefully implementation of merc corps will help with this but I fear some people are beyond help.

I guess you didn't realize I was in the largest corp currently in the beta and am always working with a squad of fellow STB.

Yet your focus remains intently on the success of your character. Why should the success of your individual character even be a consideration in a squad based game? It's the combined efforts of the team that make everything an individual does possible so why give the individual false recognition? Your corp, or your squad (which you are a part of) deserve that top spot. Not just you. Win as a team, Lose as a team. If you want to claim otherwise, then your a lone-wolf and should not be in a squad, and in my opinion are detrimental to the Dust514 gameplay as a whole.

How so... does capping objectives, destroying enemy vehicles/equipment, and killing the enemy not help the team?


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Goliath Raven Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 80	Posted - 2012.08.29 14:27:00 - [1] - Quote Getting a squad pumped up and into beast mode is the job of the squad leader. This is why mic chat should be free for all in dust. Squad leader needs to be able to give an objective and MOTIVATE people into doing their duty in game and accomplishing that objective. Common you MAGGOTS! Do you want your current clone to live FOREVER! MOVE! MOVE! MOVE! MOVE!
Goliath Raven Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 80	Posted - 2012.08.29 16:03:00 - [2] - Quote STB-stlcarlos989 EV wrote: This is an FPS so kills and deaths DO matter. Yes I understand that this isn't a typical FPS and its connected with "The Almighty EVE Universe" but its still an FPS. Teamwork is important but don't tell me when you see a well known elite killer on your team as opposed to the enemy side that you're not a little happy. If KDR doesn't matter then we should just take away guns and weapons and deaths and just run around capping objectives. For those that aren't elite killers there are other roles available, but get real this is still somewhat an FPS so KDR has at least a little relevant. I would much rather see someone I know I can work with to get an objective on my team then some leet KDR arrogant as F*** punk who thinks hes the almighty's gift to Dust514 because he can contribute nothing to squad efforts, play's it safe the entire match, and makes sure he saves his precious clone long enough to kill a few noobs. KDR mentality is stupid. It's not a reflection of a person ability or lack there of to play the game. Maybe if this were all about 1 on 1 fights you could make that argument but in the end a person who is on a squad with a 0.3 KDR that is willing to listen to squad leader and even act as a diversion or do whats dangerous to help the squad is 1000x more useful then some 20.0 KDR person who just hides from everyone and only takes the safe kills to save his precious KDR.
Goliath Raven Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 80	Posted - 2012.08.29 16:30:00 - [3] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Goliath Raven wrote: I would much rather see someone I know I can work with to get an objective on my team then some leet KDR arrogant as F*** punk who thinks hes the almighty's gift to Dust514 because he can contribute nothing to squad efforts, play's it safe the entire match, and makes sure he saves his precious clone long enough to kill a few noobs. KDR mentality is stupid. It's not a reflection of a person ability or lack there of to play the game. Maybe if this were all about 1 on 1 fights you could make that argument but in the end a person who is on a squad with a 0.3 KDR that is willing to listen to squad leader and even act as a diversion or do whats dangerous to help the squad is 1000x more useful then some 20.0 KDR person who just hides from everyone and only takes the safe kills to save his precious KDR. Except the problem with your thinking is that a lot of us are right there on the front lines, tearing it up, making sure you guys that aren't as good aren't dieing, so that way you can still contribute. You guys act like people with good KDRs don't know how to cap objectives or listen to orders.... People with good KDR's can cap objectives and listen to orders. People who are fixated on their KDR are a different story.
Goliath Raven Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 80	Posted - 2012.08.29 16:41:00 - [4] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Goliath Raven wrote: People with good KDR's can cap objectives and listen to orders. People who are fixated on their KDR are a different story. I still fail to see what this has to do with letting us know when we just tore the enemy a new one >_< I think we're overcomplicating things here lol Moving elements of the game to fixate on individual accomplishments is a KDR mentality. Moving elements of the game to fixate on team accomplishments is a squad mentality. In my opinion squad mentality makes for much better gameplay. I would rather see them remove any and all mention of individual accomplishments and report game end stats solely on squad basis. Personally I'd rather be recognized by a living individual on my squad for one thing I did then like "Yo man! Did I really just see that?" then be told by the computer "Kill Rampage" so I can go on my mic and say "Hey guys. just got a kill rampage. Am I leet or what?"
Goliath Raven Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 80	Posted - 2012.08.29 18:24:00 - [5] - Quote STB-stlcarlos989 EV wrote: Actually because I hacked objectives, destroyed vehicles, destroyed installations, and got tons of kills and assists, and knew how to use squad leader commands. This is exactly the mentality I disdain. I was because I, I, I, I. I want more focus on teams in this game and less focus on the 'I's. Hopefully implementation of merc corps will help with this but I fear some people are beyond help.
Goliath Raven Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 80	Posted - 2012.08.29 18:57:00 - [6] - Quote STB-stlcarlos989 EV wrote: Goliath Raven wrote: STB-stlcarlos989 EV wrote: Actually because I hacked objectives, destroyed vehicles, destroyed installations, and got tons of kills and assists, and knew how to use squad leader commands. This is exactly the mentality I disdain. I was because I, I, I, I. I want more focus on teams in this game and less focus on the 'I's. Hopefully implementation of merc corps will help with this but I fear some people are beyond help. I guess you didn't realize I was in the largest corp currently in the beta and am always working with a squad of fellow STB. Yet your focus remains intently on the success of your character. Why should the success of your individual character even be a consideration in a squad based game? It's the combined efforts of the team that make everything an individual does possible so why give the individual false recognition? Your corp, or your squad (which you are a part of) deserve that top spot. Not just you. Win as a team, Lose as a team. If you want to claim otherwise, then your a lone-wolf and should not be in a squad, and in my opinion are detrimental to the Dust514 gameplay as a whole.
Goliath Raven Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 80	Posted - 2012.08.29 19:29:00 - [7] - Quote STB-stlcarlos989 EV wrote: Goliath Raven wrote: STB-stlcarlos989 EV wrote: Goliath Raven wrote: STB-stlcarlos989 EV wrote: Actually because I hacked objectives, destroyed vehicles, destroyed installations, and got tons of kills and assists, and knew how to use squad leader commands. This is exactly the mentality I disdain. I was because I, I, I, I. I want more focus on teams in this game and less focus on the 'I's. Hopefully implementation of merc corps will help with this but I fear some people are beyond help. I guess you didn't realize I was in the largest corp currently in the beta and am always working with a squad of fellow STB. Yet your focus remains intently on the success of your character. Why should the success of your individual character even be a consideration in a squad based game? It's the combined efforts of the team that make everything an individual does possible so why give the individual false recognition? Your corp, or your squad (which you are a part of) deserve that top spot. Not just you. Win as a team, Lose as a team. If you want to claim otherwise, then your a lone-wolf and should not be in a squad, and in my opinion are detrimental to the Dust514 gameplay as a whole. How so... does capping objectives, destroying enemy vehicles/equipment, and killing the enemy not help the team? It absolutely does help your team. But in the end, The team deserves the recognition as a whole for their efforts. Leader boards and KDR puts one person ahead of their teammates by a made up scoring system that does not take into account events in the game or support how the combat should be viewed, as a team effort. Look, if you want them to add in Kill Count sound effects, they should do it based on the entire squads kill count. WP should be by the entire squads WP accumulation, isk should be rewarded to the entire squad, and if they absolutely must, KDR should be based on squad (or corp as squad will change from match to match). Recognition of individual efforts should be done teammate to teammate, person to person. The scoring system of the game should focus only on the team effort. All I'm saying is if you do awesome, your teammates should recognize you, and your team should be recognized by the game, and by the community.