Firstly this is a copy & paste from another thread. However, these few things need to be addressed to keep a chain of command on the battlefield. Oh and anyone on Teamspeak, you're a nobber. Get on in game comms. Unless you can't bear to be away from your corp for 20 minutes. In which case you need help. You are the height of EvEtardedness. Speak with those you're playing with.

The problem is squad chat users can't hear team chat users, and squad leaders have no way to communicate with each other.

Example. I am a squad leader. I want to know what squad 2 and 3 doing. I check team chat... Silence... I guess they're in squad chat...or teamspeak. I can't communicate.

I'm afraid CCP Jian was misinformed when saying "what others give you and more" as the communications hierarchy in MAG was better than our current comms. This is the first we've seen of the comms. I'm sure squad leader functions will appear in time I hope


Tbh the number of people on EvE vivox in comparison to teamspeak makes UVT ect pountless. Just allow us the ability to organise on the battle.

The EvEtard remark is because so many are on Teamspeak. There is literally no way fr Dusters to communicate except to get a pc, put it next to their ps3. Sure I can get TS on my phone, but then I have 0 battery for my daily life...
And yes, I've offended people all over the place, mostly people threatening to drop OB's on me. I'm expecting bad things to happen because of my attitude. But I'm in the right here :P Teamspeak users will kill this game much harder than anything CCP will mess up.
Edit: btw an EvEtard is just someone who plays too much EvE. Like the ones saying SP should be totally Passive. Don't take offense to it.

BS
As squad leader, you can join team voice, mute everyone except your squad members and leaders of other squads(is it to difficult for ex-MAG player?).
UVT is not pointless, game mechanics are build in such a way that EVE players will not need constantly contacting with DUST players(in battle).

Yes you can mute people. Roflmao gtfo. You don't understand.

So explain how Squad 1 can speak with squad 2 while squad 2 is on squad chat. Oh yeah, that's right, you can't. Waste of time indeed.

Just because you don't understand a hierarchy isn't my problem. You want proper comms or you want joke "cod does it better" comms?

BS
As squad leader, you can join team voice, mute everyone except your squad members and leaders of other squads(is it to difficult for ex-MAG player?).
UVT is not pointless, game mechanics are build in such a way that EVE players will not need constantly contacting with DUST players(in battle).

They should just copy the comms system from MAG, which was perfect. Squad members can only talk to and hear members of their squad, while the squad leader can also talk with other squad leaders. At least when/if they raise the squad size to six or eight, because squad members don't really need to talk with other squads then. I can understand that you might want to talk with other squads when it's only four per squad.

Edit: And of course make it so squad leaders don't have to be in the "squad leader" channel to hear another squad leader...

I appreciate the whole "join a good corp and everything will be fine" idea. But that kinda writes off the whole pickup and play idea. Oh, and how do you intend to work in a corp battle 24/24 all on team chat?

Squad leaders are there for a reason. The commander role also. I get that you are happy with it seeing as we're in a beta, and your running with 8 corp members already.
It's a simple barrier to break down. I don't see why you feel there should be no improvements made.

LOL
count how long ur gonna be out the battle muting ppl and swappin comm channels

I cba to argue Sylwester, you didn't name your shameful corp.
You are the only one happy to keep things as they are in this thread.

So if squad member was a scout, and he had some important information to tell high command he couldn't do it? He had to tell it to squad leader who had right to tell it to high command, and what ever high commend respond he had to wait for squad leader respond in name of scout? MAG is a different game - really.

Edit: btw an EvEtard is just someone who plays too much EvE. Like the ones saying SP should be totally Passive. Don't take offense to it.

The EvEtard remark is because so many are on Teamspeak. There is literally no way fr Dusters to communicate except to get a pc, put it next to their ps3. Sure I can get TS on my phone, but then I have 0 battery for my daily life...
And yes, I've offended people all over the place, mostly people threatening to drop OB's on me. I'm expecting bad things to happen because of my attitude. But I'm in the right here :P Teamspeak users will kill this game much harder than anything CCP will mess up.
Edit: btw an EvEtard is just someone who plays too much EvE. Like the ones saying SP should be totally Passive. Don't take offense to it.

What information could a squad member have he has to tell high command so urgently?

Squad members need to call out targets and relay information to his own squad, including the squad leader so that he can set frago if needed. If the squad leader thinks he need help from other squads he contacts the other squad leaders/the platoon leader/whatever he needs to.

Would you want to have 40 members on your team giving all kinds of information to the commander all the time?

I'm not here for respect or points or likes or for new fantastic friends. I am trying to provide feedback on a rather important part of the game which I might well spend vast amounts of time playing. I'm sorry but I lost any respect for the "community" about 2 weeks after joining the beta. I cba to spout all the crap about it again. It's why I cba arguing with sylwester. I've said my bit, and it makes good sense as many have agreed. Hopefully CCP will get round to it.

Oh, and funding my in game toys? If I do end up playing Dust, I'll be fine funding myself. I've already said I don't want much to do with the EvE interactions. They're a gimmick from an FPS point of view. But very much an integral part in Dust. It'll be fun seeing how I do :D
Let's stay on topic pls.

So if squad member was a scout, and he had some important information to tell high command he couldn't do it? He had to tell it to squad leader who had right to tell it to high command, and what ever high commend respond he had to wait for squad leader respond in name of scout? MAG is a different game - really.



We are on 'squad grouping stage' so I do not have to worry about that for now.

The game does not have Commander role yet. There's no point on wasting time on improving something that don't need to be improve for now.


This is why I'll be on the winning side.

The OP does have some good points. Voice comms need to be more dynamic. I understand we are testing specific features in the current build, but I also can see the potential future of comms if the ones on this build "stay". That future is not dynamic and not on par to current tactical shooters. Yes, we can currently switch to Team if needed but that process does not flow or is not as dynamic as a MAG based system would/could be. EVE Fleet like channels and set up should be what we are getting, but based on the current build I do not think we will see them.

Being prior military, my opinion of the "Ideal" comms set up is one in which the unit (i.e Corporation/Clan) sets up themselves. This goes for squad sizes too (Hmm, I think EVE has this already). Now, what I mean by this is take MAGs comms (Squad Level, Leader Level, Platoon Broadcast, OIC Broadcast) and Improving on them. The Platoon Leader sets up his/her Squads and their Comm Channels to the initial needs of the battle (this way you can have a Recon only squad if needed with their own Channel). This same PL should have access to each individual squad's comms as well as a Squad Leader only channel and a Team Broadcast. The Field Commander should have access to a Platoon Leader only channel as well as all the PL made channels and a OIC Broadcast. This all allows for better teamwork in the long run (if done right).

Unfortunately MAG has taught me that Comms are too difficult for random players to master. The only people ever using them properly are almost ALL in Clans or Super Groups of multiple clans. These are the people that get it and end up winning more than often due to superior communication which results in better teamwork. The Current comm setup seems almost designed to Limit teamwork to 4 or Less unless your group is more adaptable than the average group. People are less likely to switch channels.. partlially because it is not a habit they are used to and partially becasue they don't really think about it or don't know about it.