DUST Search - buying skills is all wrong

crazy space wrote:

Right now buying skills are confusing new players that I have tested the game. It's a wierd 3 step process with muliple pages. Why ? Let ne give some advice on what you should do.

Make the skill system navigatable in a tree mode. With all skills connected by lines based on what unlocked what. Look at the way 100's of other 4x space sims have translated list skills into optional tree modes that help new players figure out what skills unlock what.

Next when a players clicks a skill RI buy it, it should buy and inject. Next if you have enough sp to get it level 1 it should promt you and give you the option to quickly and easily inject and have your 5% bonus to weapon range. Why are you going out if your way to make the game unneedly hard. It can still be complex and cost money and isk.

Or you could just include the sp in the cost of the skill book purchase and have it start at level. Who would let a skill sit at zero when sp cones in faster than isk interns of buying skills. You'll have the sp to inject and level to one. Make it easy !!

Phone auto correct grrr will fix later

Pages: 1 :: [one page]

Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 0 post(s)
crazy space ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2012.08.19 21:04:00 - [1] - Quote Right now buying skills are confusing new players that I have tested the game. It's a wierd 3 step process with muliple pages. Why ? Let ne give some advice on what you should do. Make the skill system navigatable in a tree mode. With all skills connected by lines based on what unlocked what. Look at the way 100's of other 4x space sims have translated list skills into optional tree modes that help new players figure out what skills unlock what. Next when a players clicks a skill RI buy it, it should buy and inject. Next if you have enough sp to get it level 1 it should promt you and give you the option to quickly and easily inject and have your 5% bonus to weapon range. Why are you going out if your way to make the game unneedly hard. It can still be complex and cost money and isk. Or you could just include the sp in the cost of the skill book purchase and have it start at level. Who would let a skill sit at zero when sp cones in faster than isk interns of buying skills. You'll have the sp to inject and level to one. Make it easy !! Phone auto correct grrr will fix later
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.08.19 21:13:00 - [2] - Quote That's a great idea, until it comes time that you want to buy skill books UNUSED and sell them on. If buying the book automatically uses it, you can't do that, and it SHOULD be a viable option. You can pretty quickly buy, then the first option when you own an unused book is "use" then the first option when you've used a skill book is "upgrade" - it doesn't take any longer than what you're suggesting, really. And it gives a lot more freedom to the player. You can buy and use a skillbook quickly without having to navigate through a "do you want to upgrade" prompt when you're NOT intending to upgrade it straight away.
crazy space ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2012.08.20 00:54:00 - [3] - Quote " That's a great idea, until it comes time that you want to buy skill books UNUSED and sell them on. If buying the book automatically uses it, you can't do that, and it SHOULD be a viable option" What if I told you I'm talking about the skill page not the market. You can allready buy skill books. If your also saying you should be able to buy just the book in the skill window then maybe the skill section in the market should be removed. Having two menus do the same thing is imo odd. If you open the skill window your looking for spending ep, when you open the market you're looking to spend isk. Those three steps are too much. I want to press one button in a clear sci ri looking skill tree. There could a simple 5 pieces of a circle around each skill icon to show what level its at. Highlighting a skill and click should open a show info that doesn't cover up the skill selection. Keep show info to the left side of the window.
Phosphorus Arkadios Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2012.08.20 01:44:00 - [4] - Quote I honestly... don't understand the skills screen.. I buy a skillbook and then upgrade. I don't know what a skillbook does.
Vexen86 5	Posted - 2012.08.20 02:42:00 - [5] - Quote it takes awhile to even understand the skills screen, all i wanna do is make my guns and armor stronger, which i had a pretty good set up before the reset, now i have to figure it all out again XD
IR Scifi Algintal Core Gallente Federation 18	Posted - 2012.08.20 03:02:00 - [6] - Quote As an eve player this screen makes perfect sense (except for the fact I can't seem to seem to inject a book from my assets window). I can see how someone not familiar with eve's skill system could be confused. Perhaps this is something that needs a tutorial or two put together?
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.08.20 04:32:00 - [7] - Quote crazy space wrote: Right now buying skills are confusing new players that I have tested the game. It's a wierd 3 step process with muliple pages. Why ? Let ne give some advice on what you should do. Make the skill system navigatable in a tree mode. With all skills connected by lines based on what unlocked what. Look at the way 100's of other 4x space sims have translated list skills into optional tree modes that help new players figure out what skills unlock what. Next when a players clicks a skill RI buy it, it should buy and inject. Next if you have enough sp to get it level 1 it should promt you and give you the option to quickly and easily inject and have your 5% bonus to weapon range. Why are you going out if your way to make the game unneedly hard. It can still be complex and cost money and isk. Or you could just include the sp in the cost of the skill book purchase and have it start at level. Who would let a skill sit at zero when sp cones in faster than isk interns of buying skills. You'll have the sp to inject and level to one. Make it easy !! Phone auto correct grrr will fix later Its not broken, so don't try and fix it.
crazy space ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2012.08.20 15:08:00 - [8] - Quote It's at the core of eve being joked as looking like a spread sheet. Lots of famous 4x games like Galaxtic civ 2 use both a spread sheet and skill tree view. The system is the same but you interface with something that makes sense to humans
Nick Chode Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.08.20 15:29:00 - [9] - Quote They just need to make it the same way its done on eve. Go to the market, buy the book, inject the book, and train it to the first lvl. Done deal. Than to help you plan your skills, have the same certificate planner eve has. this planner helps you to train the skills on a certain path, in this case fitting styles.
crazy space ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2012.08.20 15:49:00 - [10] - Quote As long as you can spend sp to level up skill in the certificate window sure. I think the issue us in eve the skill system is over time. Here its passive. You spend points, lord of ganesh have upgrade screens less confusing than stay while being just as complex.

SILENTSAM 69 Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 421	Posted - 2012.08.20 16:25:00 - [11] - Quote It is fine and simple to use. Do not change it. I have no idea why people consider something as simple as this to be complex. It is about as complex as 2 + 2...
Dante Daedrik Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 97	Posted - 2012.08.20 17:05:00 - [12] - Quote Eligible skill books when bought through the Skill List should have the option like the previous build "Purchase & Use Skillbook" but when bought through the Market, it should only be Purchase.
Naustradamus Oracle Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 61	Posted - 2012.08.20 18:31:00 - [13] - Quote I do agree about the complexities of the current system I still agree about buying books and and leveling up skills ... but if CCP wants to try and focus more on the FPS users, I'd recommend a skill tree. Skill tree allows people to view ahead of times requirements for certain skills as well as help them determine the path to choose. Not needed for release of course but just a thought anyways ... it be the same system in the end, just a different way to display it all
Maximum Appendage Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 15	Posted - 2012.08.20 19:19:00 - [14] - Quote I agree it needs making more user friendly, the current system is utterly baffling. I don't understand how they've managed to make it so unintelligible, I've been playing for a while now & I still don't really understand it. A skill tree would be very handy.
crazy space ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2012.08.21 02:10:00 - [15] - Quote Dante Daedrik wrote: Eligible skill books when bought through the Skill List should have the option like the previous build "Purchase & Use Skillbook" but when bought through the Market, it should only be Purchase. Bingo! see? someones a smart kid. Quote: I do agree about the complexities of the current system I still agree about buying books and and leveling up skills ... but if CCP wants to try and focus more on the FPS users, I'd recommend a skill tree. Skill tree allows people to view ahead of times requirements for certain skills as well as help them determine the path to choose. Not needed for release of course but just a thought anyways ... it be the same system in the end, just a different way to display it all huzzah! That's forward thinking.
crazy space ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2012.08.21 17:00:00 - [16] - Quote Bump. Dust doesn't have to look like eve to have the same complex skill systems. There are better ways.
Hobos-N-Guns Soldiers Of One Network Orion Empire 44	Posted - 2012.08.21 17:24:00 - [17] - Quote crazy space wrote: Bump. Dust doesn't have to look like eve to have the same complex skill systems. There are better ways. If I have to learn to use DC3 controller, then you should have to learn to use the skill system
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.08.21 20:53:00 - [18] - Quote crazy space wrote: Bump. Dust doesn't have to look like eve to have the same complex skill systems. There are better ways. Would you suggests the spoon fed one tier at a time pick this but not this world of warcraft system? That is not very helpful for a classless system.
Terror Knightsbane Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 20	Posted - 2012.08.21 21:37:00 - [19] - Quote i dont see much wrong tbh, if u dont know what a skill book is, click SHOW INFO on it, like every other item, it will tell you :)
Vexen86 5	Posted - 2012.08.22 03:24:00 - [20] - Quote i find myself hitting the more info button alot XD mainly to see what skills i need to unlock so i can use a particular skill.

Hael Arran Algintal Core Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2012.08.22 03:36:00 - [21] - Quote Complexities? Lol make an trial account on Eve and get the Shield Management skill book off the market train it and then complain to me about how complex Dust's system is. You see in eve we don't get this nice little list that just lets us buy and inject the book. We have to make sure we are in the right station thats selling it, if we're not we need to fly there, we then need to find the book on the market, then find it in your inventory, then inject the book, the open the character sheet, then select skill queue, then find the skill you just injected in your queue, then choose to train the skill. Dust is Go to skills click skill buy book use book train skill all without having to press anything but X. Its fine as it is, get used to it.
crazy space ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2012.08.24 02:19:00 - [22] - Quote I've played eve since beta. It's fine for the game is it. It's not fine for dust. I don't want dust less complex, less confusing UI does not equal less complex. Why would I buy a skill book, in the skill screen, not the market screen" if I didn't want to have that skill at level 1 when I purchase it. It literally adds NOTHING. It doen't make dust more complex to have stupid 10 year old mechanics. It's fine for eve, but it seems clear it'll be NPC skill books all the way. At least for now, non npc skill books can you bought on the market or found as salvage. Whats the point of letting us buy and sell skill books anyways? I mean it makes sense in eve, but in dust?
Goric Rumis Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 80	Posted - 2012.08.24 17:25:00 - [23] - Quote I support this suggestion. The complexity isn't necessary for DUST if we don't have to travel to different stations to find the books. On the other hand, I really have no idea how the DUST economy is going to merge with the EVE economy. EVE's economy is location-based, and since you're not flying around to different stations in DUST I'm not really sure how location (between matches) is going to be a factor. If you're purchasing from regional markets, there might be some validity behind the idea of re-selling the books from lower-cost regions to higher-cost regions. Either way, if you're in the skill screen, it's very unlikely you're buying a book to re-sell it. I can think of very few instances where you wouldn't want to buy, inject, and upgrade all in one stroke. Maybe have a default action at the top for "Buy, inject and upgrade," and you can still select the existing option "Buy book," etc., below it.
a dirty Shisno Algintal Core Gallente Federation 130	Posted - 2012.08.25 07:56:00 - [24] - Quote About 15 minutes ago I purchased the skill book "Shield Operation" from within the skills screen and everything was the same old three step process. About 10 minutes ago (only about 5 minutes later, in case you weren't sure) I purchased the skill book "Light Weapon Capacity", again from within the skills screen. THIS time, immediately after purchasing it, with no other button inputs from myself, it asked me if I wanted to use it immediately. Fluke? Glitch? New feature that mysteriously popped up hours after the last downtown? I certainly won't know until I get enough ISK to purchase another. Maybe someone else can say if this is a new feature now or just a one time..... error? *EDIT* It did not automatically ask me if I wanted to put skill points into it.


Pages: 1 :: [one page]