DUST Search - Explaination of what "Free to play" means

J'Jor Da'Wg wrote:

Dzark Kill wrote:

J'Jor Da'Wg wrote:

Somebody around here has a superiority complex... 0_o

No, the problem here is that you see "Free 2 Play" as "Free 2 Download and Play Only".

Those who disagree (including me) say that "Free 2 Play" means not only "Play", but have as likely a given chance of winning with NO MONEY sunk into it. If I can play all I want, but those who pay have a much higher chance of winning if we are evenly matched in skill (say, if AUR dropsuits had 10,000 shield hp and were OP), then I regard the Game as Pay 2 Win.

In essence,
You are happy to be able to play a game thats explicitly advertised as "Free 2 Play" and not "Pay 2 Win", and have to pay for features that many regard as a must have in a teamwork based game, such as Corp and Alliance chat.

Others regard that as a fallacy and point out this:
That by making key features or parts of the game that are key to success unavailable to the "free" players, you have compromised the integrity of your promise of making a quality free 2 play non p2w game.

Therefore, I reject your (rather condescending) argument, as I do not regard a game with useful features barred off to the free players as a true "Free 2 Play" game.

Now lets face it, this is mostly about UVTs. I regard them as a bad idea not in use but in ideals, as it keaves a kind of bitter taste in a game thats "Free" to have to pay for voice comms on private chats. And fo be honest, will they even be used when you can just squad up with a friend and talk? Also, the whole argument about DUST/EVE connectivity.

Long story short, you can call a bus a Lamborghini if you want to, but everyone else is going to see it for what it is and call it a bus.

Have a nice evening. :)

I can log in to Dust without spending a penny. I can start a game without spending a penny. I can talk to every player on my team in that game without spending a penny. I can equip items that are more powerful than Aurum items (read officer mods) without spending a penny. My team can kill the opposition repeatedly without spending a penny.

Now please rather than whining about a concept that has been made up in your head with no real evidence that concept is correct, explain exactly how my team above would be defeated. ( Unless im mistaken and these UVT token's can be thrown at the enemy causing 1,000,000 to every player in a 10Km radius which i doubt)

If you dont want to spend aurum chatting to people who wont affect the battle too much then pick up you mobile, load skype on your PC, pick up your land line send a text message. There a plenty of ways you can get the exact same functionallity of what people currently assume UVT are for which brings me to my final point. Wait for the mechanic to be fully explained by CCP before passing judgement. Untill then ill keep playing beta without spending a penny and winning on this perfect example of a FREE to WIN game.

Peace out.

Thank you for calling me a whining blithering idiot. It really helps keep the discission civil, ******.
Anywho, since people seem to LOVE repeating themselves pointlessly, I will make myself clear.

Just because you aren't forced to pay for something, doesn't mean that you don't need it.
So now, go ahead and reformat all your previous arguments and give them back to me.
I dont care anymore. Honestly, DUST is currently free 2 play, I agree.

I have merely been disagreeing with you all about at what point do we consider a game NOT free 2 play. Which is important, especially if CCP keeps adding items such as UVTs.


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Ender Storm Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 50	Posted - 2012.08.17 13:32:00 - [1] - Quote Benjamin Hellios wrote: Then free to play is a false advertisement. then you are a fool.
Ender Storm Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 50	Posted - 2012.08.17 14:38:00 - [2] - Quote Benjamin Hellios wrote: Ender Storm wrote: Benjamin Hellios wrote: Then free to play is a false advertisement. then you are a fool. Good argument, I don't know how to go up against a person with your level of intelligence, so I won't. Good, because only a fool think a company will release a game and not expect them to charge for some things that will give "some" momentaneous advantage. Take WoT for example. You can buy gold tanks imediatelly that otherwise would take many play session to aquire a similar machine thru the free game play. They dont win though, and overall when you account for all the things on the field they dont make that much of a difference in a mach. So yeah, I dont care "Joe" will access a better weapon 2 weeks before I can access a similar weapon thru SP grinding. And If I care, I pay.
Ender Storm Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 50	Posted - 2012.08.17 14:42:00 - [3] - Quote J'Jor Da'Wg wrote: Dzark Kill wrote: J'Jor Da'Wg wrote: Somebody around here has a superiority complex... 0_o No, the problem here is that you see "Free 2 Play" as "Free 2 Download and Play Only". Those who disagree (including me) say that "Free 2 Play" means not only "Play", but have as likely a given chance of winning with NO MONEY sunk into it. If I can play all I want, but those who pay have a much higher chance of winning if we are evenly matched in skill (say, if AUR dropsuits had 10,000 shield hp and were OP), then I regard the Game as Pay 2 Win. In essence, You are happy to be able to play a game thats explicitly advertised as "Free 2 Play" and not "Pay 2 Win", and have to pay for features that many regard as a must have in a teamwork based game, such as Corp and Alliance chat. Others regard that as a fallacy and point out this: That by making key features or parts of the game that are key to success unavailable to the "free" players, you have compromised the integrity of your promise of making a quality free 2 play non p2w game. Therefore, I reject your (rather condescending) argument, as I do not regard a game with useful features barred off to the free players as a true "Free 2 Play" game. Now lets face it, this is mostly about UVTs. I regard them as a bad idea not in use but in ideals, as it keaves a kind of bitter taste in a game thats "Free" to have to pay for voice comms on private chats. And fo be honest, will they even be used when you can just squad up with a friend and talk? Also, the whole argument about DUST/EVE connectivity. Long story short, you can call a bus a Lamborghini if you want to, but everyone else is going to see it for what it is and call it a bus. Have a nice evening. :) I can log in to Dust without spending a penny. I can start a game without spending a penny. I can talk to every player on my team in that game without spending a penny. I can equip items that are more powerful than Aurum items (read officer mods) without spending a penny. My team can kill the opposition repeatedly without spending a penny. Now please rather than whining about a concept that has been made up in your head with no real evidence that concept is correct, explain exactly how my team above would be defeated. ( Unless im mistaken and these UVT token's can be thrown at the enemy causing 1,000,000 to every player in a 10Km radius which i doubt) If you dont want to spend aurum chatting to people who wont affect the battle too much then pick up you mobile, load skype on your PC, pick up your land line send a text message. There a plenty of ways you can get the exact same functionallity of what people currently assume UVT are for which brings me to my final point. Wait for the mechanic to be fully explained by CCP before passing judgement. Untill then ill keep playing beta without spending a penny and winning on this perfect example of a FREE to WIN game. Peace out. Thank you for calling me a whining blithering idiot. It really helps keep the discission civil, ******. Anywho, since people seem to LOVE repeating themselves pointlessly, I will make myself clear. Just because you aren't forced to pay for something, doesn't mean that you don't need it. So now, go ahead and reformat all your previous arguments and give them back to me. I dont care anymore. Honestly, DUST is currently free 2 play, I agree. I have merely been disagreeing with you all about at what point do we consider a game NOT free 2 play. Which is important, especially if CCP keeps adding items such as UVTs. Its not uncommon, again an example of one of th emost succesfull F2P in the market, WoT, you can only create platoons if you spend Gold (Aurum), otherwise your grouping options are pretty limited. All in all, i prefeer them charging over global coms then to allow us to group.