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Aighun
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Posted - 2012.08.17 03:36:00 -
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I really am not a fan of the "free to play" model. I think it is stupid, but am willing to see how it all pans out in this game.
But even worse are these pretend forum philosophers and dullard wanna be linguists with their constant niggling and nit picking. They **** me off even more. It is as if the entire Universe is dangling from some tenuous semantic thread and if they don't stop worrying at it for one god forsaken second then... I don't know what.
I really can't stand this constant drumming up of a basically fake controversy and this game of gotcha that some people seem to want to play. It makes me want to shout "Get an f'n clue and pull your head out of your ass and take a good look at the world around you for one second. Dumbass."
It really isn't that big of a deal.
Edit* In case it wasn't clear: This is really directed at both sides of the argument but much more so at the "this game isn't free to play!" whiners. I am more in agreement with the OP and find that OP less obnoxious that the "well, when you say free, what exactly do you mean by free? Because, if one considers the nature of freedom, in its essence, in its being-free-in-itself we will see that paying, in its antithetical position to free, and further when considering paying-in-itself-in-opposition, so therefore CCP LIED AND IT ISN'T FREE IF EVEN ONE PERSON PAID OR EVEN MIGHT PAY!" crap exactly that. A stinking load of horse dung. Also I think it is past my bed time. And I would rather be winning DUST than paying to win this forum. Since everyone keeps raising their prices for likes all the time. The bastards. |
Aighun
Zumari Force Projection
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Posted - 2012.08.17 04:18:00 -
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J'Jor Da'Wg wrote:
But that extent of content is a wide gulf of disagreement, and the basic argument.
Here's the thing. It has been stated that all items available for AUR will be available for ISK in a player driven market.
How do you gain ISK? Playing the game for free.
If the market does not work as stated, you might have a point. Otherwise you do not. At all. You are just making vast assumptions about how the market will work based on some test case stuff that has been set up for the BETA.
All a player will need to do to get anything will be to play enough to earn ISK, save enough ISK to buy what they want, and then buy it. It might not be easy to get everything. But ffs no one promised DUST 514 would be easy. I don't play EVE but I did look into the game enough to learn that a player can earn enough in game currency to pay for their subscription by buying the equivalent on the player driven market. There is no reason to assume that microtransactions in DUST 514 will work any differently. In other words, some players can play the game to earn what other players spend money on, in the same game.
So it seems that DUST will actually go above and beyond what any other games on the "free to play" model do. in providing gamers with options for playing without paying.
Unless you are arguing that time is money and that every minute spent playing is spent paying? |
Aighun
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Posted - 2012.08.17 13:26:00 -
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Dewie Cheecham wrote:
Some people excuse this with there being a Player driven market, but we haven't seen that market yet, and it is dependent on people actually selling AUR Items on that marked.
That is just not good enough.
Why is that not good enough?
As we haven't seen the market you are just dismissively throwing out some potentially very good evidence against the Pay 2 Win claim without even having considered it. Saying "GǪ but we haven't seen that market yetGǪ" is not an acceptable counter argument.
I could just as easily say that as no one ever even uses any of the items you mentioned they are not good enough evidence that the game is pay to win. So who cares if they are a little better? How can the entire game be Pay 2 Win if no one ever uses that stuff?
This is the thing about fanatics and zealots with dogma. They are quite happy to stick with their claims at all costs.
I have never seen a single player win merely because of AUR gear. Not ever once. Even though I have been killed by everything on the market. I tried to Pay 2 Win with the last build but could not do it. I found ISK items for every fitting that I liked better than AUR items. Except for maybe color.
But I would not claim that some items were not Pay 2 Win because of that. Yeah, it could happen.
If there are more factors to consider, you wait until you see how they all work, then you are able to decide if they are or are not good enough.
Also, when did this turn into another freaking Pay 2 Win thread, ffs? The game is free to play. |
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