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Mo Gallas Gentralde
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.16 03:00:00 -
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Cost of HAV--- 3,000,000 isk.
Cost to blow HAV up--- 4 people with Forge gun = 35,200 isk... whut? 8,800 each?
Something wrong here? You betcha. With the increase of the price for tanks and other artillery either amplify the damn HP/Shield for all of them to match their new prices, or bring the price of the Anti-Vehicle weapons up to par.
For a more comparable price, Forge guns, say the most basic forge gun would have to be... about 300,000 isk to purchase. ranging up to about 500,000 for the "Wiyrkomi" and other protos.
this way, if you're building to take out an enemy vehicle that costs a lot of money, you should have to put a lot of money on the line as well...
Similar to how if you're making a build to take out someone in Proto gear, you basically need your own Proto gear to compete...
Also the price of regular gear is absurd compared to the income now.
On average a player rakes up about 5 deaths per match, and we have 3 tiers of equipment now for sale.
Tier 1 should allow pepole to die at least 5-6 times and still make a tiny bit of profit.
Tier 2 should allow only about 1-3 deaths if you want to make profit.
Proto should require several battles of not-dying in order to profit.
--just my opinion here-- |
STB Vermaak Doe
558
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Posted - 2012.08.16 03:02:00 -
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The forge gun is an infantry weapon. Last time i checked tank cannons costed a lot more |
Chao Wolf
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
209
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Posted - 2012.08.16 03:06:00 -
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My forge fit cost almost 300k each so looks like the price is about where u want so stop complaining on that side. Lets see what else is coming before we all go to war against ccp for high prices, though they all do seem to be a bit high for any of our current matches. |
Mo Gallas Gentralde
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
178
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Posted - 2012.08.16 04:23:00 -
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Chao Wolf wrote:My forge fit cost almost 300k each so looks like the price is about where u want so stop complaining on that side. Lets see what else is coming before we all go to war against ccp for high prices, though they all do seem to be a bit high for any of our current matches.
This would be a valid argument... if Militia suits could not equip forge guns. :/
also the 3,000,000 isk is about the cost of the FRAME of the tank...
--go look, the Black Ops tanks. |
theschizogenious
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
167
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Posted - 2012.08.16 04:33:00 -
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theyre just tweaking with the prices that happens in a beta. ccp is tryin to find a balance between ridiculously high and buying 1000 at a time cheap.
and a forge gun shouldnt cost about 300,000 isk because the guy wielding it is alot more easily killed than a 3,000,000 isk tank. |
Zat Earthshatter
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
304
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Posted - 2012.08.16 04:35:00 -
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Maybe so... but how much ISk did you kill with that tank before the Forge Guns spawned?
Before you say that everybody used militia, ask yourself this :
If the enemy isn't risking anything, why should you risk everything?
It's simply not efficient to waste 3-5mil fighting people who use 0.00 ISK.
If you can't pick a cheaper fit, then save that tank for an enemy that IS willing to spend enough to warrant using it.
As for the direct 300k forgegun v. 3mil tank... Has an infantry weapon EVER cost more than a vehicle? |
theschizogenious
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
167
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Posted - 2012.08.16 04:41:00 -
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Zat Earthshatter wrote:Maybe so... but how much ISk did you kill with that tank before the Forge Guns spawned?
Before you say that everybody used militia, ask yourself this :
If the enemy isn't risking anything, why should you risk everything?
It's simply not efficient to waste 3-5mil fighting people who use 0.00 ISK.
If you can't pick a cheaper fit, then save that tank for an enemy that IS willing to spend enough to warrant using it.
As for the direct 300k forgegun v. 3mil tank... Has an infantry weapon EVER cost more than a vehicle?
well... if your comparing modern state of the art guns to the model T then yes :P |
Zero Harpuia
Maverick Conflict Solutions
422
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Posted - 2012.08.16 05:20:00 -
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I'd like to state that they nerfed the Forge, so you really don't have to worry about them anymore. |
Ziggie Smalls
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2012.08.16 07:46:00 -
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Sometimes I wonder how many people that QQ have actually used forge guns and/or tanks. Yes forge guns have the potential to be mighty, but only deadly when the tank driver fucks up. If the driver has any sense he won't leave himself vulnerable to 3-4 proto forge gunners, especially now that his Marauder costs a few million to fit properly.
All this change did was stop games from being maps full of Sagaris acting as rolling infantry for high KDR. Working as intended, and desired. Thank you CCP. |
Mo Gallas Gentralde
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
178
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Posted - 2012.08.17 04:42:00 -
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Ziggie Smalls wrote:Sometimes I wonder how many people that QQ have actually used forge guns and/or tanks. Yes forge guns have the potential to be mighty, but only deadly when the tank driver fucks up. If the driver has any sense he won't leave himself vulnerable to 3-4 proto forge gunners, especially now that his Marauder costs a few million to fit properly.
All this change did was stop games from being maps full of Sagaris acting as rolling infantry for high KDR. Working as intended, and desired. Thank you CCP.
There's a difference between preventing all use of tanks and having balanced use. All that I can infer from what you're writing here is that you've never put the cash on the line to procure a tank. The heavy bias you present talks for itself. :/
I know.. I'll give you an example of what you just said, but change a few targets around:
"There should be devices on the market that only cost about 400 isk that can kill someone in a 200,000+ isk suit in one hit, because the weapons magnetize toward the suit when thrown close enough. This would stop Advanced and Proto armors from acting as super-infantry for a high KDR. The game would then be working as intended to keep suit use down to desirable levels." |
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fred orpaul
Tritan-Industries
Legacy Rising
213
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Posted - 2012.08.17 17:25:00 -
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Quit complaining every ones hurting this build. If you pulled your head out your bum hole youd know that prices went up for every one. once they fix the insta match so you know what level match you are in you will be able to gage how much you want to spend with how much you will get base that match.
PS next time know what oyu are talking about before you complain. |
Fuma Centuri
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
107
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Posted - 2012.08.17 18:30:00 -
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Just because a bunch of frigates can swarm your poorly-fit battlecruiser doesn't mean frigates are too cheap. It just means you used the wrong tool for the wrong job.
The new HAVs are pretty much placeholders with placeholder prices. Their stats aren't even better than marauders. Wait until they can become invisible and then judge if forges need to cost more than whole dropsuits. |
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