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Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
2283
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Posted - 2012.08.15 23:49:00 -
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personally i find this suit to be lacking a purpose on the battlefield
my standard Assault type-II suit > my advanced logi suit
Logi is slow (got a slight speed buff so this is good)
stamina still sucks this needs a buff imho, as a logistics guy ur always gonna be running to support teammates so why does he get tired so fast?
slow + squishy + little stamina = bad
ur better off using an assault or 2 and spread the gear around tbh
sure u can use armor plates to give it more tank.....but that slows it down even more -_-
whats the point of the hack bonus if the suit is slow and runs out of stamina fast? the assaults and better yet the scouts will get to objectives and behind enemy lines faster to do these quick hack jobs.
I still dont think Logi should be as fast as an assault suit but stamina wise it needs a buff imo
thoughts on making the logistics have a bigger impact on the battlefield? bigger bonus to using reps? |
Rhadiem
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
496
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Posted - 2012.08.16 00:06:00 -
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the design for logistics is really confusing.
they give us scout type II with an extra equipment slot, but for "logistics" suits you only get one speed.
I'd like to see a light, medium and heavy logistics suit option all within the logistics dropsuit tree, or even 3 different skills for logistics suits.
the light set could be like the scout suit, but with more slots (why put armor on a scout suit for type II? that's dumb.)
the med set would be like the current logistics, perhaps with more stamina
the heavy set could maybe have a medium and a light weapon, or massive massive armor/heals or a ton of equipment slots. |
Abron Garr
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
256
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Posted - 2012.08.16 00:39:00 -
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I made a similar thread a few weeks ago. This build is still new so I'm giving it time to settle.
The logi suit is just outshined by other suits. If you want to heal, Assault does it better and you're not gimped if you are in a firefight. I'm still healing and reviving people better in my Assault suit than in a logi suit- without sacrificing my K/D.
Here was the discussion. |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
2283
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Posted - 2012.08.16 02:14:00 -
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Abron Garr wrote:I made a similar thread a few weeks ago. This build is still new so I'm giving it time to settle. The logi suit is just outshined by other suits. If you want to heal, Assault does it better and you're not gimped if you are in a firefight. I'm still healing and reviving people better in my Assault suit than in a logi suit- without sacrificing my K/D. Here was the discussion.
that is the problem
currently im suffering through with the logi suit but i know i can be a better support with another suit
@ the guy who wanted light, heavy and medium logi.....CCP did say they are no classes and u can use the suits and use them conventionally i.e. scout as sniper or u can make a fast logi guy with the scout suit using rep and nano injectors
this is where i feel the logistics suit as a whole lacks something, u can be better support with other suits but u cant even switch up and use the logi as a tanky front line suit
4 equipment slots is all well and nice and 8 module slots as well but proto assault gets 7 module slots and 2 equipment slots i believe so might as well have 2 proto assaults handle the logi tasks and still have a better survival rate cuz they wont be as slow or squishy |
Mmkk333
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
229
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Posted - 2012.08.16 02:27:00 -
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I made this --> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=30016 --> thread about a week ago as my idea for a buff to the Logi suit...I thought this would make the Logi's out there feel more specialized to the task they would be doing, but I guess CCP took no notice of my suggestion, despite making a duplicate thread on Feedback/Requests. |
Seran Jinkar
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
214
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Posted - 2012.08.16 08:10:00 -
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Well don't use it then! When it boils down to equipment versatility it's still the best with 3 equipment slots. Well at least I'm content with getting 30 to 40k SP a match. The KDR may not be the best, but even the standard suit allows you to place uplinks, revive and rearm. I see the logistics II as a niche products though. That's where I do agree with OP as the Type II is just some kind of cheap and squishy Assault Suit as it's neither strong or fast enough to be useful compared to other classes. |
Ignatius Crumwald
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
475
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Posted - 2012.08.16 08:49:00 -
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I still stand by my opinion that the logisuit should have speed and stamina between assault and scout and if they need to sacrifice something like a slot or some CPU/PG to get it there then they should do it because, given the map size. speed and movement is very important in this game. |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
2283
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Posted - 2012.08.16 09:17:00 -
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Seran Jinkar wrote:Well don't use it then! When it boils down to equipment versatility it's still the best with 3 equipment slots. Well at least I'm content with getting 30 to 40k SP a match. The KDR may not be the best, but even the standard suit allows you to place uplinks, revive and rearm. I see the logistics II as a niche products though. That's where I do agree with OP as the Type II is just some kind of cheap and squishy Assault Suit as it's neither strong or fast enough to be useful compared to other classes.
u do realise the assault suit has 2 slots right?
scout type-II has 2 slots as well
the equipment slots arent really a big deal when a party system is in place others can share that 1-2 missing slot with someone else all while being very fast or faster with more tank as well and more stamina. So when it comes to actually supporting the team the current logistics suits have a hard time keepin up with peeps because they are slow and burn stamina quickly making them suffer all while being squishy so chances of crossin a battlefield to revive a downed teammate or rep a tank is highly unlikely as u are an out of shape squishy target
imho logi if they are keepin the speed and stamina intact should have more tank than an assault suit |
Buzzwords
Deadly Blue Dots
RISE of LEGION
416
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Posted - 2012.08.16 09:26:00 -
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a squad only moves as fast as it's slowest man.
the slowest man SHOULD be a heavy. if heavies didn't suck, logi's low mobility wouldn't be a huge problem.
the weak defenses are the main problem as i see it. the loss of the sidearm is already a huge gimp to offensive versatility, but that gels with the role. weak defense isn't really fair though. you can't help anybody if you're dead....
i'm willing to wait a bit and see though. ccp recently buffed logi shields, so it's really only gimp in armor now. and at advanced and prototype tier they get better slot layouts than assault. combined with their extra PG/CPU a reasonable tank on a high end logi is probably possible. the only issue is it would sorta need to use armor plates, which exacerbate the low mobility to a point where it might become a serious issue.
so logi might still be a little weak, but i think it's close enough to let it play out a while |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
2283
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Posted - 2012.08.16 09:38:00 -
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Buzzwords wrote:a squad only moves as fast as it's slowest man.
the slowest man SHOULD be a heavy. if heavies didn't suck, logi's low mobility wouldn't be a huge problem.
the weak defenses are the main problem as i see it. the loss of the sidearm is already a huge gimp to offensive versatility, but that gels with the role. weak defense isn't really fair though. you can't help anybody if you're dead....
i'm willing to wait a bit and see though. ccp recently buffed logi shields, so it's really only gimp in armor now. and at advanced and prototype tier they get better slot layouts than assault. combined with their extra PG/CPU a reasonable tank on a high end logi is probably possible. the only issue is it would sorta need to use armor plates, which exacerbate the low mobility to a point where it might become a serious issue.
so logi might still be a little weak, but i think it's close enough to let it play out a while
im using advanced logi suits and my standard type-II assault > advanced logi
i agree u cant help anyone if ur dead id love to see an increase in armor possibly more than the assault so it can compensate for low movement, sprint speed and stamina |
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fenrir storm
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
314
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Posted - 2012.08.16 11:52:00 -
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Always thought the logi should be close to the heavy in terms of armour and sheilds but be lacking in fire power not to the point of being useless, should also have the speed of the heavy due to all the goodies stocked but with more stammina.
This is the suit I most wanted to play but at the moment if anyone so much as give you a harsh stare your dead and after 6 steps forward your down to a walk, strange for a support role suit. So I stick with assault until it's sorted |
Kleanur Guy
SyNergy Gaming
154
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Posted - 2012.08.16 12:25:00 -
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Rather than a 'statistics' buff (which is all well and good) I feel the logi needs a whole new purpose on the battlefield, similair to heavy's where they are unique in the fact they can use 'Heavy' weaponry. As is, theres nothing special a logi can do that a well suited assault or scout can't, even doing their intended role worse.
Should start browsing for new logistics only equipment ideas. I'll start 
CoD-style automated turret.
Similair to the 'large' turrets we have pre-deployed on the battlefield at the moment, this could be a logistics equipment only. It would probly use the same tracking system (except constantly scanning instead of shooting at the MCC). It would deal no damage to vehicles and would simply be a nuisance to take out. It shouldn't have too high or too low damage. If you were to walk down a 10metrish corridor straight at this thing an assault would die (send in da heavy!). Has a 'deactivate' when you get close to it similair to a hack which will destroy it, with the new 360 degree hacking it shouldnt be a problem to not get shot while deactivating. Low shielding and decent armor, if you take out its armor and shield it will simply 'deactivate' it for a short period of time and then start regenning again.
Just an idea  |
fenrir storm
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
314
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Posted - 2012.08.16 12:36:00 -
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Could always give them an AOE armour or sheild buff to players within a certain range .
There is a lot they could do but this suit still needs to be less fragile and as you said more unique. |
Kleanur Guy
SyNergy Gaming
154
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Posted - 2012.08.16 12:42:00 -
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fenrir storm wrote:Could always give them an AOE armour or sheild buff to players within a certain range .
There is a lot they could do but this suit still needs to be less fragile and as you said more unique.
Or an AoE DR buff. Could mean that there is at LEAST 1 logi in every squad.
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Seran Jinkar
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
214
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Posted - 2012.08.16 12:47:00 -
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Logi only equipment should be a deployable supply station. Something like an advanced nanohive tech. Automated turrets are already covered with the command class and deployable installations. |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
2283
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Posted - 2012.08.16 15:03:00 -
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fenrir storm wrote:Could always give them an AOE armour or sheild buff to players within a certain range .
There is a lot they could do but this suit still needs to be less fragile and as you said more unique.
Command suits with command modules will do this AoE stuff so still logi has no place on the battlefield that another suit cant do better |
fenrir storm
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
314
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Posted - 2012.08.16 16:08:00 -
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Mavado V Noriega wrote:fenrir storm wrote:Could always give them an AOE armour or sheild buff to players within a certain range .
There is a lot they could do but this suit still needs to be less fragile and as you said more unique. Command suits with command modules will do this AoE stuff so still logi has no place on the battlefield that another suit cant do better
Well at the moment there is no point running logi as all others can do the same to some degree and still perform there primary role |
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