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Grimm Trip
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:37:00 -
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-^ |
gangsta nachos
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:38:00 -
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must move hand faster
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Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
676
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:42:00 -
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Sensitivity isn't great, but the real problem is the turn speed hardcap - ridiculous. |
lordjnus
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:51:00 -
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did make my first kill with mouse , very nice. Just some tweaking to do. |
PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:54:00 -
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So M/KB is proving no significant advantage at the moment? |
Arramakaian Eka
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
363
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:55:00 -
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Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:Sensitivity isn't great, but the real problem is the turn speed hardcap - ridiculous.
Haven't tried it, yet, but that might be necessary to balance out the immense inherent advantage of KBM over a controller. |
Winscar Shinobi
50
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:55:00 -
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They made it so that KB/M has no advantage, and TC is complaining that he doesn't get an advantage... FFS |
Fredreichson von Fredreich
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Posted - 2012.08.14 21:00:00 -
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Yeah seriously if I can't set my dpi to 5,000 and do a 1080 headshot like counter-strike what was even the point of implementing mouse and keyboard? I want to dance around a scout with my heavy armor laughing as the dumb console pubbie can't keep up with his max sensitivity joystick
Who cares about balance |
Etero Narciss
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
112
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Posted - 2012.08.14 21:02:00 -
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Fredreichson von Fredreich wrote:Yeah seriously if I can't set my dpi to 5,000 and do a 1080 headshot like counter-strike what was even the point of implementing mouse and keyboard? I want to dance around a scout with my heavy armor laughing as the dumb console pubbie can't keep up with his max sensitivity joystick
Who cares about balance Not sure if serious, but I had a good laugh.
I'm not sure why people are complaining considering they can strafe far better. |
PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.14 21:03:00 -
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Etero Narciss wrote:Fredreichson von Fredreich wrote:Yeah seriously if I can't set my dpi to 5,000 and do a 1080 headshot like counter-strike what was even the point of implementing mouse and keyboard? I want to dance around a scout with my heavy armor laughing as the dumb console pubbie can't keep up with his max sensitivity joystick
Who cares about balance Not sure if serious, but I had a good laugh. I'm not sure why people are complaining considering they can strafe far better.
me too |
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Fredreichson von Fredreich
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Posted - 2012.08.14 21:15:00 -
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I'm super serious
CCP promised us months ago that they would implement a completely unbalanced mouse and keyboard system so that only players with KB/M would be competitive, and all of the losers with a controller would be forced to quit the game or play in highsec matches with other controller peasants
I bought a $150 razoer mouse with 27 buttons and a keyboard with the expectation that it would guarantee I top the scoreboard 76/0 in every match and THIS HAS NOT BEEN THE CASE! For some UNGODLY reason they have decided to OPPRESS THE KB/M USERS by giving them the SAME TURN SPEED AS A DS3 USER!
WHERE IS OUR PAID ADVANTAGE CCCP? ARE YOU GOING TO REIMBURSE US FOR OUR EXPENSIVE GAMING PERIPHERALS?
HOW COULD YOU LET THE CONSOLE GAMERS GET AWAY WITH "BALANCE"?
It is not too late to fix this transgression. All you need to do is allow raw mouse control and also give us keyboard-only console command access and perhaps let us install UE3 aimbots and change the FOV to 120
I expect to be able to headshot noobs with the speed and grace of Quake Pro by this time tomorrow
do not fail me |
Grimm Trip
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2012.08.14 21:16:00 -
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Haha, yeah why complain, only takes me two lengths of my desk to turn my character around.so cute how intimidated console players are by a mouse. |
Knarf Black
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
397
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Posted - 2012.08.14 21:23:00 -
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The whining never ceases.
Kb/M is going to take some serious tweaking, guys. This is not supposed to be a floating gun arm FPS; our characters are supposed to have mass.
Also, it's only just been implemented, and they're still working on the DS controls. Have a little faith, tweak your settings, and report your findings here. We don't have to get apoplectic over ever little thing. |
Gilbatron
Free-Space-Ranger Nulli Secunda
81
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Posted - 2012.08.14 22:12:00 -
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confirming things feel weird |
Ad ski
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.08.14 22:15:00 -
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Unlucky. |
PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.14 22:44:00 -
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Knarf Black wrote:The whining never ceases.
Kb/M is going to take some serious tweaking, guys. This is not supposed to be a floating gun arm FPS; our characters are supposed to have mass.
Also, it's only just been implemented, and they're still working on the DS controls. Have a little faith, tweak your settings, and report your findings here. We don't have to get apoplectic over ever little thing.
I have a feeling this is what they are supposed to be like, so that DS3 isn't left in the dust. |
Volgair
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
200
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Posted - 2012.08.14 22:45:00 -
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29 inches to turn my heavy suit 180 degrees at what i am assuming is 2000DPI... ok... going back to the DS3 because simply stated i don't have that much free range, even on my giant ass desk. i will say the strafing and toggling of Sprinting and general control is much smoother with the KB but the mouse needs work to be competitive with the DS3. |
Darkz azurr
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
105
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Posted - 2012.08.14 22:53:00 -
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im gonna say it.... it feels fine. i played with both..... The ds3 controls are alot better, m/kb i think still have the edge slightly but it's not as bad as i thought. altho trying to figure out how to activate the mouse/kb and what buttons did what etc was abit mad, telling me to press triange to spawn, was like umm yeah no triangle on kb XD and was mashing 1, 2 ,3 to try and change weapon. |
Ourors
Doomheim
130
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Posted - 2012.08.14 22:54:00 -
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don't know what you guys are talking about, i'm currently tearing **** up with KBM.
stick to longer ranged weapons, don't try to CQC brawl with it, you turn slower than a heavy but you're INCREDIBLY accurate |
Volgair
Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising
200
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Posted - 2012.08.14 22:55:00 -
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Volgair wrote:29 inches to turn my heavy suit 180 degrees at what i am assuming is 2000DPI... ok... going back to the DS3 because simply stated i don't have that much free range, even on my giant ass desk. i will say the strafing and toggling of Sprinting and general control is much smoother with the KB but the mouse needs work to be competitive with the DS3.
the only solution i can think of is to allow the mouse and KB to move as fast as the player wants to go, then to have the ctr model move into position as a response. so the DS3 would be absolute movement. and the KB&M would be decision setup and response.... that's one solution but 29 inches is absurd 1 to 1.5 at most is about what it would take in most other games.
EDIT; jumped the gun on this a little bit its not bad for scout or assault suits. |
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Cpl Quartz
127
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Posted - 2012.08.14 23:08:00 -
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Gilbatron wrote:confirming things feel weird
confirming things feel weird with any game i've ever played a lot at after it's been patched.
seriously glad i check the forums before going to bed. are the servers up mid week now? anyway if they are not i'm working overtime so i get friday off. |
Rhadiem
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
496
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Posted - 2012.08.15 02:35:00 -
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a mouse was never said to overcome the inherent slow turn speed of different dropsuits.
Try the scout suit if you want to turn fastest.
I believe the mouse will be best at fine aiming, not godlike snap turns. |
Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
676
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Posted - 2012.08.15 02:55:00 -
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Rhadiem wrote:a mouse was never said to overcome the inherent slow turn speed of different dropsuits.
Try the scout suit if you want to turn fastest.
I believe the mouse will be best at fine aiming, not godlike snap turns. Turn speed is absolute ****, the suit type doesn't matter. Basically, unless you're sniping, KBM is currently at an extreme disadvantage. Sure it's got better precision in it's little "aim box", but if you want to aim at someone longer than 2 seconds while they're running, you better be ready to run your mouse 4 feet across your desk. |
Saiibot
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
142
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Posted - 2012.08.15 10:02:00 -
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Adapt or die m&kb users! They're fnding out that it takes more skill to use a ds3 controller BECAUSE of the imput handicap |
Grimm Trip
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2012.08.15 10:32:00 -
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Kbm is useless for anything other than long range sniping, and even then players can run out of your scope faster than you can track them.
Just ignore d3 trolling, ill be feasting on their tears when turn speed is boosted. Get them in while you can. |
4447
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
649
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Posted - 2012.08.15 10:48:00 -
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lol why do you think CCP would let you have a advantage with KB/M, when it's on ps3 you fools. your going to have the same turn speed as DS3 to even it out lol. i'm happy with this because you have all told me that it's not KB/M you like, it's the advantage of speed you get with it lol. i play DS3 because i feel apart of the game with it, not because it gives me an advantage.
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Grimm Trip
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2012.08.15 10:50:00 -
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Just make it balanced. |
Grimm Trip
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2012.08.15 10:53:00 -
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4447 wrote:lol why do you think CCP would let you have a advantage with KB/M, when it's on ps3 you fools. your going to have the same turn speed as DS3 to even it out lol. i'm happy with this because you have all told me that it's not KB/M you like, it's the advantage of speed you get with it lol. i play DS3 because i feel apart of the game with it, not because it gives me an advantage.
All were asking for is the same turn speed as a ds3. Don't call people fools when you can't even read before you post. |
4447
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
649
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Posted - 2012.08.15 11:03:00 -
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Grimm Trip wrote:4447 wrote:lol why do you think CCP would let you have a advantage with KB/M, when it's on ps3 you fools. your going to have the same turn speed as DS3 to even it out lol. i'm happy with this because you have all told me that it's not KB/M you like, it's the advantage of speed you get with it lol. i play DS3 because i feel apart of the game with it, not because it gives me an advantage.
All were asking for is the same turn speed as a ds3. Don't call people fools when you can't even read before you post.
you are fools, always complaining about KB/M. if CCP fix the KB/M then you will ask them for more turning speed your never happy unless your got an advantage. |
Darkz azurr
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
105
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Posted - 2012.08.15 11:15:00 -
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felt about the same turn speed as my ds3 when i was using it. no way should mkb be able to turn faster than ds3. i was using a assault suit tho, i'll try heavy ds3 and heavy m/kb when i can. |
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4447
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
649
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Posted - 2012.08.15 11:17:00 -
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my posts were del? |
Aeon Amadi
Maverick Conflict Solutions
1003
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Posted - 2012.08.15 11:52:00 -
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Man - it's amusing watching this little debate/argument go down. I'm excited to use the KBM because I specialized as a sniper last build and got incredibly efficient with the controller.
I can't comment yet as the servers are down but I do intend to put my feedback in here, and I can't wait to tear everyone down to their shorts with my verbal abuse =) |
Aeon Amadi
Maverick Conflict Solutions
1003
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Posted - 2012.08.15 12:00:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Man - it's amusing watching this little debate/argument go down. I'm excited to use the KBM because I specialized as a sniper last build and got incredibly efficient with the controller.
I can't comment yet as the servers are down but I do intend to put my feedback in here, and I can't wait to tear everyone down to their shorts with my verbal abuse =)
Yep. It's ****. Absolute 100% unusable. Went back to the controller before I left the Mercenary's Quarters.
Turns the same speed as a controller but holy **** is it impossible to use efficiently without having a giant donut of a desk, a swivel chair, and a track system for your TV/keyboard. |
PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
781
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Posted - 2012.08.15 12:38:00 -
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Grimm Trip wrote:4447 wrote:lol why do you think CCP would let you have a advantage with KB/M, when it's on ps3 you fools. your going to have the same turn speed as DS3 to even it out lol. i'm happy with this because you have all told me that it's not KB/M you like, it's the advantage of speed you get with it lol. i play DS3 because i feel apart of the game with it, not because it gives me an advantage.
All were asking for is the same turn speed as a ds3. Don't call people fools when you can't even read before you post.
same turn speed as the ds3 will give it an advantage over the ds3.
Thats why it doesn't have the same speed.
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Rhadiem
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
496
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Posted - 2012.08.15 12:43:00 -
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I haven't tried mouse yet, and ignoring the "clever" trolls..
does adjusting sensitivity affect anything? are there any PS3 settings that could affect things?
It may be they need a couple iterations of things before it works well, like the move. (which seems to have gotten some love)
They may need to get creative to have both a useful KB/M setup that retains the turning speed of the different dropsuits? *shrug*
If I can master this dropship, I'll probably stick to DS3, even though my PC KB/M skill is much better. |
Grimm Trip
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2012.08.15 12:45:00 -
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PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE wrote:Grimm Trip wrote:4447 wrote:lol why do you think CCP would let you have a advantage with KB/M, when it's on ps3 you fools. your going to have the same turn speed as DS3 to even it out lol. i'm happy with this because you have all told me that it's not KB/M you like, it's the advantage of speed you get with it lol. i play DS3 because i feel apart of the game with it, not because it gives me an advantage.
All were asking for is the same turn speed as a ds3. Don't call people fools when you can't even read before you post. same turn speed as the ds3 will give it an advantage over the ds3. Thats why it doesn't have the same speed.
Then why implement it? I ended up using the controller in one hand to move and the mouse in the other to aim and shoot, worked out fine actually ill probably stick with it until they fix kb and m or remove it. |
Thomas 'Stonewall' Jackson
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.08.15 13:20:00 -
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Why do people keep mentioning DPI and the amount of buttons your mouse has? All of which irrelevant with the PS3 since you can't install a driver for your mouse. Even so when you first install the driver for your mouse on a PC the DPI isn't cranked full by default, you need to adjust it manually. I highly doubt a 2000 DPI mouse is running at a default 2000 DPI plugged into a PS3. |
Grimm Trip
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2012.08.15 13:49:00 -
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Thomas 'Stonewall' Jackson wrote:Why do people keep mentioning DPI and the amount of buttons your mouse has? All of which irrelevant with the PS3 since you can't install a driver for your mouse. Even so when you first install the driver for your mouse on a PC the DPI isn't cranked full by default, you need to adjust it manually. I highly doubt a 2000 DPI mouse is running at a default 2000 DPI plugged into a PS3.
Who mentioned dpi and the buttons their mouse has? Thanks again for derailing the thread, just like every other thread on this forum. |
Kill3rAce
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2012.08.15 13:54:00 -
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Hahaha all the EVE computer players complained hardcore for KB/M or they wouldn't play the game and now they have it and its nerfed too much. I'm glad CCP is trying to make it so there isn't any real advantage over using the setup |
Thomas 'Stonewall' Jackson
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.08.15 13:55:00 -
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Grimm Trip wrote: Who mentioned dpi and the buttons their mouse has? Thanks again for derailing the thread, just like every other thread on this forum.
Derailing the thread? People have been complaining they have a high DPI mouse and it has no effect due to the cap. I am just stating regardless of the top DPI of your mouse, the PS3 doesn't care. |
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Aeon Amadi
Maverick Conflict Solutions
1003
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Posted - 2012.08.15 14:00:00 -
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Kill3rAce wrote:Hahaha all the EVE computer players complained hardcore for KB/M or they wouldn't play the game and now they have it and its nerfed too much. I'm glad CCP is trying to make it so there isn't any real advantage over using the setup
Until you actually sit down and try it out - and realize how broken it is - I would appreciate it if you put away your console pride/immaturity. |
Kill3rAce
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2012.08.15 14:22:00 -
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You know I actually have a both a PC I play a lot of games including EVE and I like my PS3 a lot as well I have ton of games on there, but I tend to play the system they way there meant to be played. Dust is a console game therefore makes sense to get used to a controller and use it. I have always loved PC games Counter Strike series being one of my favorite and a game like that which has no aim-assist and all skill I know how good a KB/M can be and I've been worried adding it will destroy DUST so I'm glad to see them gimp the system a lot just my personal opinion |
Aeon Amadi
Maverick Conflict Solutions
1003
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Posted - 2012.08.15 14:25:00 -
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Kill3rAce wrote:You know I actually have a both a PC I play a lot of games including EVE and I like my PS3 a lot as well I have ton of games on there, but I tend to play the system they way there meant to be played. Dust is a console game therefore makes sense to get used to a controller and use it. I have always loved PC games Counter Strike series being one of my favorite and a game like that which has no aim-assist and all skill I know how good a KB/M can be and I've been worried adding it will destroy DUST so I'm glad to see them gimp the system a lot just my personal opinion
I'm not convinced. |
Darkz azurr
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
105
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Posted - 2012.08.15 14:27:00 -
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been playing with it all morning, make sure your ds3 sensitivity is maxed , it effects the mouses sesitivity. i have had 0 problems killing people with m/kb even managed to 1 shot 5 guys in about 10 seconds with the mouse today :D |
PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
781
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Posted - 2012.08.15 14:41:00 -
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Darkz azurr wrote:been playing with it all morning, make sure your ds3 sensitivity is maxed , it effects the mouses sesitivity. i have had 0 problems killing people with m/kb even managed to 1 shot 5 guys in about 10 seconds with the mouse today :D
sounds like they were low level militia guys. |
Stabber McShank
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
22
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Posted - 2012.08.15 16:43:00 -
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Fredreichson von Fredreich wrote:Yeah seriously if I can't set my dpi to 5,000 and do a 1080 headshot like counter-strike what was even the point of implementing mouse and keyboard? I
Sucks to be you then. My mouse lets me store the DPI hardware side so I can set it to 5600DPI on my PC, plug it into my PS3, and go to town.
Thomas 'Stonewall' Jackson wrote:I highly doubt a 2000 DPI mouse is running at a default 2000 DPI plugged into a PS3.
That is why you buy a mouse that stores DPI in the mouse instead of software/drivers.
5600dpi on the PS3 - CHECK |
Ima Leet
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
321
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Posted - 2012.08.15 16:50:00 -
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Stabber McShank wrote:Fredreichson von Fredreich wrote:Yeah seriously if I can't set my dpi to 5,000 and do a 1080 headshot like counter-strike what was even the point of implementing mouse and keyboard? I Sucks to be you then. My mouse lets me store the DPI hardware side so I can set it to 5600DPI on my PC, plug it into my PS3, and go to town. Thomas 'Stonewall' Jackson wrote:I highly doubt a 2000 DPI mouse is running at a default 2000 DPI plugged into a PS3. That is why you buy a mouse that stores DPI in the mouse instead of software/drivers. 5600dpi on the PS3 - CHECK the point of M/KB was to never be OP but to give players another option. an option for players who want to use it. but to still keep the game fair.... |
Stabber McShank
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
22
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Posted - 2012.08.15 16:53:00 -
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Ima Leet wrote: the point of M/KB was to never be OP but to give players another option. an option for players who want to use it. but to still keep the game fair....
It is fair. I can't turn any faster than the controller kids. The high DPI just means I don't have to pick up my mouse 3 times in order to turn a full circle. |
Ima Leet
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
321
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Posted - 2012.08.15 16:56:00 -
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Stabber McShank wrote:Ima Leet wrote: the point of M/KB was to never be OP but to give players another option. an option for players who want to use it. but to still keep the game fair....
It is fair. I can't turn any faster than the controller kids. The high DPI just means I don't have to pick up my mouse 3 times in order to turn a full circle. nothing wrong with that. i think the people complaining are upset that they cannot flick their wrist to turn 180 degrees instantly |
Fukata
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.08.15 18:07:00 -
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As someone who really prefers KBM, it's a *good thing* they're nerfing it hard. If it turns out to be an overnerf, then they can adjust upwards until the game statistics show that there's balance.
But we want a fair game, so that 1) We continue to be able to play with our preferred input method, 2) People who play with DS3 don't ragequit because it's unbalanced.
A fair game is a better game, and all us KBM fans bloody well know that means some necessary limitations on raw mouse input. Stop whinging and help them find the right balance. |
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Crimson MoonV
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
658
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Posted - 2012.08.15 18:10:00 -
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Fukata wrote:As someone who really prefers KBM, it's a *good thing* they're nerfing it hard. If it turns out to be an overnerf, then they can adjust upwards until the game statistics show that there's balance.
But we want a fair game, so that 1) We continue to be able to play with our preferred input method, 2) People who play with DS3 don't ragequit because it's unbalanced.
A fair game is a better game, and all us KBM fans bloody well know that means some necessary limitations on raw mouse input. Stop whinging and help them find the right balance. Thank you. +1 |
EnIgMa99
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
219
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Posted - 2012.08.15 18:28:00 -
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kb/m doesnt work, the only thing there is to balance it to make all controls to work as intended |
Sw3RvE
25
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Posted - 2012.08.15 18:33:00 -
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Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:Sensitivity isn't great, but the real problem is the turn speed hardcap - ridiculous.
maybe because if that wasnt in place mouse and k/b would have a major advantage. |
Eskel Bondfree
27
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Posted - 2012.08.15 20:56:00 -
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Just a tip for the people in this thread who complain about KB/M being unusable. I suspect you have
a) the 'mouse smoothing' option (or what ever it's called in the english version) switched on and are using b) a low dpi mouse (< 2000dpi or so)
Try switching off the 'mouse smoothing' option in the settings, and you will see a vast increase in mouse sensitivity, or at least that's what I found while playing. I found that with activated smoothing, you need at least a 4000-5000 dpi mouse in order to get a decent mouse speed. Of course the turn speed cap will still be in effect, the faster you move your mouse, the more your turn speed gets reduced. But it's far from unusable. What I find much more annoying is the low sensitivity of the y axis compared to the x axis. |
Crimson MoonV
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
658
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Posted - 2012.08.15 21:28:00 -
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Whats that? KB/M isn't dominating like it does on PC? No super spin speed you say?
Working as intended.
Good job ccp. |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
811
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Posted - 2012.08.15 21:31:00 -
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Ima Leet wrote:Stabber McShank wrote:Fredreichson von Fredreich wrote:Yeah seriously if I can't set my dpi to 5,000 and do a 1080 headshot like counter-strike what was even the point of implementing mouse and keyboard? I Sucks to be you then. My mouse lets me store the DPI hardware side so I can set it to 5600DPI on my PC, plug it into my PS3, and go to town. Thomas 'Stonewall' Jackson wrote:I highly doubt a 2000 DPI mouse is running at a default 2000 DPI plugged into a PS3. That is why you buy a mouse that stores DPI in the mouse instead of software/drivers. 5600dpi on the PS3 - CHECK the point of M/KB was to never be OP but to give players another option. an option for players who want to use it. but to still keep the game fair....
I'm pretty sure the point for the large majority of players who wanted KBM was absolutely to be OP. |
Avenger 245
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
477
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Posted - 2012.08.15 22:20:00 -
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Satisfaction is like crack first off evetard will not be getting and better method for killing its working as intended second the turn speed for heavy in general can be looked at along with some other overall movement things after that the devs can slowly tweak upwards until its equal in the comparison between ds3 turning vs a mouse aiming. let them.fix other core things first then slowly tweak it. Dont act like self entitled evetards we might get along more its beta guys
Sorry for the snark but what did you think would happen? Anyway give it time it wont ever become better than the ds3 but ccp if they take it slow will be able to balance out the mouse better aim with the ds3 better turn. |
gogocapsuleers
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.08.15 22:27:00 -
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I prefer the mouse and keyboard in terms of reaction times vs. how console is considerably slower in response times. It is a design issue. A code issue. It is extremely limited in comparison and I say this as a designer of worlds. This has nothing to do with keyboard vs controller. It has to do with facts. FPS need more freedom on the PS3. |
Kovak Therim
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.08.15 22:52:00 -
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I was not happy to hear about K/M controls coming to Dust and said so, however I will say that I want everyone to be able to enjoy this game and for it to be truly balanced so that only player skill determines who wins/loses. Nobody should be forced to learn any new input device in order to play. EVE players shouldn't be forced to use a DS3 and I shouldn't be forced to use a M/K to succeed in Dust 514. |
GamerEvan77
One-Armed Bandits Orbital Rights
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Posted - 2012.08.16 01:37:00 -
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Fredreichson von Fredreich wrote:Yeah seriously if I can't set my dpi to 5,000 and do a 1080 headshot like counter-strike what was even the point of implementing mouse and keyboard? I want to dance around a scout with my heavy armor laughing as the dumb console pubbie can't keep up with his max sensitivity joystick
Who cares about balance
Let me see... Hmm. How about the majority if not all console players looking for a decent console fps experience! You people can't be serious if you really want CCP to break the game by giving keyboard and mouse support the advantage. They only implemented this to open up the game to more people, not to troll the majority of that which will be playing. Get a grip on yourself. If it's not going to be balanced then only the few people with KB+M will play which is definitely what CCP is NOT trying to do. Stick to counterstike if that is what you want. |
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Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2012.08.16 01:41:00 -
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i KNEW kb+m was going to be implemented in this way and i was saving up my jars to collect the tears of all the "im gonna get you! just you wait!" people.
classic. |
GamerEvan77
One-Armed Bandits Orbital Rights
8
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Posted - 2012.08.16 01:43:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Kill3rAce wrote:Hahaha all the EVE computer players complained hardcore for KB/M or they wouldn't play the game and now they have it and its nerfed too much. I'm glad CCP is trying to make it so there isn't any real advantage over using the setup Until you actually sit down and try it out - and realize how broken it is - I would appreciate it if you put away your console pride/immaturity.
And until you realize that we are still in beta and that they will "fix" it to you guys liking, I would appreciate it if you put away your PC pride/immaturity. All he said was that at least you people can't come in and completely make the game not worth playing until you go buy some un-needed input system just to keep up with some people that want to be OP. |
Ayures0
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Posted - 2012.08.16 01:49:00 -
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It's a pain in the ass to deal with low turn speeds, yes, but the mouse is still far more accurate that a little joystick. I can actually use a rifle now. :D |
LIEUTENANT JORDAN
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.08.16 02:08:00 -
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I dont think that keyboard and mouse should be in the game because they will never be able to balance it. If they improve like people want it will be better than the DS3 which will turn it into a play to win because if people who ever wants to win will just need to buy a keyboard and mouse. I highly doubt they will remove it so i think keyboard and mouse function will be the fall of dust. I believe that if a pc player wants to play dust they should have learn to use the DS3 just like if a ps3 player wants to play eve online they need to learn to use a keyboard and mouse. |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
808
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Posted - 2012.08.16 02:09:00 -
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balance is relative and balance with the DS3 is not the same balance that KB+M lobbyists want.
edit: i'd actually say that KB+M people dont care about balance, they simply want to be able to use a mouse and secretly enjoy having that advantage. You can tell by the peeps that complain about the implementation of the KB+M. It's in but they complain because they dont have the overwhelming advantages they thought they were going to get. |
Ancaris Tenarre
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2012.08.16 02:39:00 -
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Not an fps junkie so take it with a grain of salt, but if anything the sensitivity feels too high IMO -- it's the max turn speed, as others have said, that's ridiculous.
Just try it -- you barely have to move your mouse at all to hit the turn speed cap, and nowhere near as fast as you'd be moving it for regular computer use.
It might be in part because of the choppy performance and/or lag of this build, but it seems like I'm getting the worst of both worlds: I can't make precision movements within a small area, and trying to turn around quickly is similarly impossible.
...And yet, it still seems (slightly) better than trying to aim with DS3, so eh.
Also, I don't see why everybody's complaining about kb/m being an advantage, I'm just using my regular computer kb/m to play and I don't see why everybody else can't(and even if you don't have a USB kb/m they're like dirt cheap and really easy to get nowadays) |
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