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4447
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.08.15 11:17:00 -
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my posts were del? |
Aeon Amadi
Maverick Conflict Solutions
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Posted - 2012.08.15 11:52:00 -
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Man - it's amusing watching this little debate/argument go down. I'm excited to use the KBM because I specialized as a sniper last build and got incredibly efficient with the controller.
I can't comment yet as the servers are down but I do intend to put my feedback in here, and I can't wait to tear everyone down to their shorts with my verbal abuse =) |
Aeon Amadi
Maverick Conflict Solutions
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Posted - 2012.08.15 12:00:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Man - it's amusing watching this little debate/argument go down. I'm excited to use the KBM because I specialized as a sniper last build and got incredibly efficient with the controller.
I can't comment yet as the servers are down but I do intend to put my feedback in here, and I can't wait to tear everyone down to their shorts with my verbal abuse =)
Yep. It's ****. Absolute 100% unusable. Went back to the controller before I left the Mercenary's Quarters.
Turns the same speed as a controller but holy **** is it impossible to use efficiently without having a giant donut of a desk, a swivel chair, and a track system for your TV/keyboard. |
PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
781
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Posted - 2012.08.15 12:38:00 -
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Grimm Trip wrote:4447 wrote:lol why do you think CCP would let you have a advantage with KB/M, when it's on ps3 you fools. your going to have the same turn speed as DS3 to even it out lol. i'm happy with this because you have all told me that it's not KB/M you like, it's the advantage of speed you get with it lol. i play DS3 because i feel apart of the game with it, not because it gives me an advantage.
All were asking for is the same turn speed as a ds3. Don't call people fools when you can't even read before you post.
same turn speed as the ds3 will give it an advantage over the ds3.
Thats why it doesn't have the same speed.
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Rhadiem
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
496
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Posted - 2012.08.15 12:43:00 -
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I haven't tried mouse yet, and ignoring the "clever" trolls..
does adjusting sensitivity affect anything? are there any PS3 settings that could affect things?
It may be they need a couple iterations of things before it works well, like the move. (which seems to have gotten some love)
They may need to get creative to have both a useful KB/M setup that retains the turning speed of the different dropsuits? *shrug*
If I can master this dropship, I'll probably stick to DS3, even though my PC KB/M skill is much better. |
Grimm Trip
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2012.08.15 12:45:00 -
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PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE wrote:Grimm Trip wrote:4447 wrote:lol why do you think CCP would let you have a advantage with KB/M, when it's on ps3 you fools. your going to have the same turn speed as DS3 to even it out lol. i'm happy with this because you have all told me that it's not KB/M you like, it's the advantage of speed you get with it lol. i play DS3 because i feel apart of the game with it, not because it gives me an advantage.
All were asking for is the same turn speed as a ds3. Don't call people fools when you can't even read before you post. same turn speed as the ds3 will give it an advantage over the ds3. Thats why it doesn't have the same speed.
Then why implement it? I ended up using the controller in one hand to move and the mouse in the other to aim and shoot, worked out fine actually ill probably stick with it until they fix kb and m or remove it. |
Thomas 'Stonewall' Jackson
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.08.15 13:20:00 -
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Why do people keep mentioning DPI and the amount of buttons your mouse has? All of which irrelevant with the PS3 since you can't install a driver for your mouse. Even so when you first install the driver for your mouse on a PC the DPI isn't cranked full by default, you need to adjust it manually. I highly doubt a 2000 DPI mouse is running at a default 2000 DPI plugged into a PS3. |
Grimm Trip
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2012.08.15 13:49:00 -
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Thomas 'Stonewall' Jackson wrote:Why do people keep mentioning DPI and the amount of buttons your mouse has? All of which irrelevant with the PS3 since you can't install a driver for your mouse. Even so when you first install the driver for your mouse on a PC the DPI isn't cranked full by default, you need to adjust it manually. I highly doubt a 2000 DPI mouse is running at a default 2000 DPI plugged into a PS3.
Who mentioned dpi and the buttons their mouse has? Thanks again for derailing the thread, just like every other thread on this forum. |
Kill3rAce
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2012.08.15 13:54:00 -
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Hahaha all the EVE computer players complained hardcore for KB/M or they wouldn't play the game and now they have it and its nerfed too much. I'm glad CCP is trying to make it so there isn't any real advantage over using the setup |
Thomas 'Stonewall' Jackson
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.15 13:55:00 -
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Grimm Trip wrote: Who mentioned dpi and the buttons their mouse has? Thanks again for derailing the thread, just like every other thread on this forum.
Derailing the thread? People have been complaining they have a high DPI mouse and it has no effect due to the cap. I am just stating regardless of the top DPI of your mouse, the PS3 doesn't care. |
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Aeon Amadi
Maverick Conflict Solutions
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Posted - 2012.08.15 14:00:00 -
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Kill3rAce wrote:Hahaha all the EVE computer players complained hardcore for KB/M or they wouldn't play the game and now they have it and its nerfed too much. I'm glad CCP is trying to make it so there isn't any real advantage over using the setup
Until you actually sit down and try it out - and realize how broken it is - I would appreciate it if you put away your console pride/immaturity. |
Kill3rAce
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2012.08.15 14:22:00 -
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You know I actually have a both a PC I play a lot of games including EVE and I like my PS3 a lot as well I have ton of games on there, but I tend to play the system they way there meant to be played. Dust is a console game therefore makes sense to get used to a controller and use it. I have always loved PC games Counter Strike series being one of my favorite and a game like that which has no aim-assist and all skill I know how good a KB/M can be and I've been worried adding it will destroy DUST so I'm glad to see them gimp the system a lot just my personal opinion |
Aeon Amadi
Maverick Conflict Solutions
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Posted - 2012.08.15 14:25:00 -
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Kill3rAce wrote:You know I actually have a both a PC I play a lot of games including EVE and I like my PS3 a lot as well I have ton of games on there, but I tend to play the system they way there meant to be played. Dust is a console game therefore makes sense to get used to a controller and use it. I have always loved PC games Counter Strike series being one of my favorite and a game like that which has no aim-assist and all skill I know how good a KB/M can be and I've been worried adding it will destroy DUST so I'm glad to see them gimp the system a lot just my personal opinion
I'm not convinced. |
Darkz azurr
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
105
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Posted - 2012.08.15 14:27:00 -
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been playing with it all morning, make sure your ds3 sensitivity is maxed , it effects the mouses sesitivity. i have had 0 problems killing people with m/kb even managed to 1 shot 5 guys in about 10 seconds with the mouse today :D |
PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.15 14:41:00 -
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Darkz azurr wrote:been playing with it all morning, make sure your ds3 sensitivity is maxed , it effects the mouses sesitivity. i have had 0 problems killing people with m/kb even managed to 1 shot 5 guys in about 10 seconds with the mouse today :D
sounds like they were low level militia guys. |
Stabber McShank
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
22
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Posted - 2012.08.15 16:43:00 -
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Fredreichson von Fredreich wrote:Yeah seriously if I can't set my dpi to 5,000 and do a 1080 headshot like counter-strike what was even the point of implementing mouse and keyboard? I
Sucks to be you then. My mouse lets me store the DPI hardware side so I can set it to 5600DPI on my PC, plug it into my PS3, and go to town.
Thomas 'Stonewall' Jackson wrote:I highly doubt a 2000 DPI mouse is running at a default 2000 DPI plugged into a PS3.
That is why you buy a mouse that stores DPI in the mouse instead of software/drivers.
5600dpi on the PS3 - CHECK |
Ima Leet
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.08.15 16:50:00 -
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Stabber McShank wrote:Fredreichson von Fredreich wrote:Yeah seriously if I can't set my dpi to 5,000 and do a 1080 headshot like counter-strike what was even the point of implementing mouse and keyboard? I Sucks to be you then. My mouse lets me store the DPI hardware side so I can set it to 5600DPI on my PC, plug it into my PS3, and go to town. Thomas 'Stonewall' Jackson wrote:I highly doubt a 2000 DPI mouse is running at a default 2000 DPI plugged into a PS3. That is why you buy a mouse that stores DPI in the mouse instead of software/drivers. 5600dpi on the PS3 - CHECK the point of M/KB was to never be OP but to give players another option. an option for players who want to use it. but to still keep the game fair.... |
Stabber McShank
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
22
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Posted - 2012.08.15 16:53:00 -
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Ima Leet wrote: the point of M/KB was to never be OP but to give players another option. an option for players who want to use it. but to still keep the game fair....
It is fair. I can't turn any faster than the controller kids. The high DPI just means I don't have to pick up my mouse 3 times in order to turn a full circle. |
Ima Leet
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.08.15 16:56:00 -
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Stabber McShank wrote:Ima Leet wrote: the point of M/KB was to never be OP but to give players another option. an option for players who want to use it. but to still keep the game fair....
It is fair. I can't turn any faster than the controller kids. The high DPI just means I don't have to pick up my mouse 3 times in order to turn a full circle. nothing wrong with that. i think the people complaining are upset that they cannot flick their wrist to turn 180 degrees instantly |
Fukata
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.08.15 18:07:00 -
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As someone who really prefers KBM, it's a *good thing* they're nerfing it hard. If it turns out to be an overnerf, then they can adjust upwards until the game statistics show that there's balance.
But we want a fair game, so that 1) We continue to be able to play with our preferred input method, 2) People who play with DS3 don't ragequit because it's unbalanced.
A fair game is a better game, and all us KBM fans bloody well know that means some necessary limitations on raw mouse input. Stop whinging and help them find the right balance. |
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Crimson MoonV
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
658
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Posted - 2012.08.15 18:10:00 -
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Fukata wrote:As someone who really prefers KBM, it's a *good thing* they're nerfing it hard. If it turns out to be an overnerf, then they can adjust upwards until the game statistics show that there's balance.
But we want a fair game, so that 1) We continue to be able to play with our preferred input method, 2) People who play with DS3 don't ragequit because it's unbalanced.
A fair game is a better game, and all us KBM fans bloody well know that means some necessary limitations on raw mouse input. Stop whinging and help them find the right balance. Thank you. +1 |
EnIgMa99
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
219
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Posted - 2012.08.15 18:28:00 -
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kb/m doesnt work, the only thing there is to balance it to make all controls to work as intended |
Sw3RvE
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Posted - 2012.08.15 18:33:00 -
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Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:Sensitivity isn't great, but the real problem is the turn speed hardcap - ridiculous.
maybe because if that wasnt in place mouse and k/b would have a major advantage. |
Eskel Bondfree
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Posted - 2012.08.15 20:56:00 -
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Just a tip for the people in this thread who complain about KB/M being unusable. I suspect you have
a) the 'mouse smoothing' option (or what ever it's called in the english version) switched on and are using b) a low dpi mouse (< 2000dpi or so)
Try switching off the 'mouse smoothing' option in the settings, and you will see a vast increase in mouse sensitivity, or at least that's what I found while playing. I found that with activated smoothing, you need at least a 4000-5000 dpi mouse in order to get a decent mouse speed. Of course the turn speed cap will still be in effect, the faster you move your mouse, the more your turn speed gets reduced. But it's far from unusable. What I find much more annoying is the low sensitivity of the y axis compared to the x axis. |
Crimson MoonV
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
658
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Posted - 2012.08.15 21:28:00 -
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Whats that? KB/M isn't dominating like it does on PC? No super spin speed you say?
Working as intended.
Good job ccp. |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
811
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Posted - 2012.08.15 21:31:00 -
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Ima Leet wrote:Stabber McShank wrote:Fredreichson von Fredreich wrote:Yeah seriously if I can't set my dpi to 5,000 and do a 1080 headshot like counter-strike what was even the point of implementing mouse and keyboard? I Sucks to be you then. My mouse lets me store the DPI hardware side so I can set it to 5600DPI on my PC, plug it into my PS3, and go to town. Thomas 'Stonewall' Jackson wrote:I highly doubt a 2000 DPI mouse is running at a default 2000 DPI plugged into a PS3. That is why you buy a mouse that stores DPI in the mouse instead of software/drivers. 5600dpi on the PS3 - CHECK the point of M/KB was to never be OP but to give players another option. an option for players who want to use it. but to still keep the game fair....
I'm pretty sure the point for the large majority of players who wanted KBM was absolutely to be OP. |
Avenger 245
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
477
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Posted - 2012.08.15 22:20:00 -
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Satisfaction is like crack first off evetard will not be getting and better method for killing its working as intended second the turn speed for heavy in general can be looked at along with some other overall movement things after that the devs can slowly tweak upwards until its equal in the comparison between ds3 turning vs a mouse aiming. let them.fix other core things first then slowly tweak it. Dont act like self entitled evetards we might get along more its beta guys
Sorry for the snark but what did you think would happen? Anyway give it time it wont ever become better than the ds3 but ccp if they take it slow will be able to balance out the mouse better aim with the ds3 better turn. |
gogocapsuleers
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.08.15 22:27:00 -
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I prefer the mouse and keyboard in terms of reaction times vs. how console is considerably slower in response times. It is a design issue. A code issue. It is extremely limited in comparison and I say this as a designer of worlds. This has nothing to do with keyboard vs controller. It has to do with facts. FPS need more freedom on the PS3. |
Kovak Therim
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
158
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Posted - 2012.08.15 22:52:00 -
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I was not happy to hear about K/M controls coming to Dust and said so, however I will say that I want everyone to be able to enjoy this game and for it to be truly balanced so that only player skill determines who wins/loses. Nobody should be forced to learn any new input device in order to play. EVE players shouldn't be forced to use a DS3 and I shouldn't be forced to use a M/K to succeed in Dust 514. |
GamerEvan77
One-Armed Bandits Orbital Rights
8
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Posted - 2012.08.16 01:37:00 -
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Fredreichson von Fredreich wrote:Yeah seriously if I can't set my dpi to 5,000 and do a 1080 headshot like counter-strike what was even the point of implementing mouse and keyboard? I want to dance around a scout with my heavy armor laughing as the dumb console pubbie can't keep up with his max sensitivity joystick
Who cares about balance
Let me see... Hmm. How about the majority if not all console players looking for a decent console fps experience! You people can't be serious if you really want CCP to break the game by giving keyboard and mouse support the advantage. They only implemented this to open up the game to more people, not to troll the majority of that which will be playing. Get a grip on yourself. If it's not going to be balanced then only the few people with KB+M will play which is definitely what CCP is NOT trying to do. Stick to counterstike if that is what you want. |
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