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Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2012.08.14 03:02:00 -
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So, I guess wrapping up...how has the overall response been for the closed beta on Forums, Twitter and the like?
Yeah, you know, itGÇÖs interesting. The first thing that weGÇÖd say is that there is certainly an audience of people that are starting to realize just how deep this is. And it is almost spine-tingling for us to see this, itGÇÖs sort of like...GÇÖAhh, wow..IGÇÖve been playing in shooters a long time, I love it, I love the leaderboards, working with people but IGÇÖve always craved a little more meaning. I want these battles to matter more than just unlocking another prestige weapon or a gun I may not want to use.GÇÖ
TheyGÇÖre starting to realize that this is where it happens, this is where these battles actually have this big impact. And beyond that, they fire up a typical shooter and the archetypal roles are there, a heavy, a sniper, a frontlines guy...but thatGÇÖs really where it ends. YOu really donGÇÖt have a lot of decision making after that.
But now, in DUST, people are starting to realize that wow, IGÇÖve always like being a sniper but I've always hated that light armor. IGÇÖll give up the mobility and take some heavy armor, and letGÇÖs see how that goes for a while. And itGÇÖs giving people an option to play the game the way they want to, and maybe have never really had a chance to.
And thatGÇÖs a lot of the positive side. Now, some of the complexity is big...and this is where weGÇÖre deliberately listening to what weGÇÖre hearing in the forums from both people who are familiar with the EVE universe and people who arenGÇÖt. I mean, the things youGÇÖre seeing now that are coming with Precursor are deliberately aimed at reducing that learning curve, of making sure that, yes; all of that complexity is there, weGÇÖre not shying away from that. We don'tGÇÖ make simple, little games for people. We make intellectually demanding games for people and weGÇÖre proud of that, but we donGÇÖt have to make it too hard to figure out how to play. ThatGÇÖs the difference.
link: CCP interview |
J'Jor Da'Wg
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2012.08.14 03:46:00 -
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He fails to mention the raging debates on the forum and the furious arguments over whether the game is fun or not,
But hey...
What else is PR for? |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
808
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Posted - 2012.08.14 03:50:00 -
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CCP is good at sifting through useless QQ and finding actual input on the beta build. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.08.14 04:01:00 -
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We have yet to see with Dust. If they don't make this fun it's kinda pointless. Sunday night I ran a shotgun. Made the game fun for a few games. Problem is, when you have to pay ISK for everything, you can't afford fun loadouts. Not to mention wasting a million SP on a knife you use once a week...(for example, shotgun or mass driver are 2 others) I think this is a real fun killer, but part of the basis for the game. Troublesome. |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
808
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Posted - 2012.08.14 04:04:00 -
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well, the whole ISK thing is an integral part of the game and CCP is proud of it. They build games that require brain power. I hope people can respect and apperciate it even if its not necessarily their cup of tea......
I also hope the next build brings a lot to the table and can pleasantly surprise people as far as their faith in CCP. I certainly think they got everything under control. Remember, they have been playing with and testing stuff we havent even heard of yet most likely. 10% of the game. |
Randrii
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
121
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Posted - 2012.08.14 04:05:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:We have yet to see with Dust. If they don't make this fun it's kinda pointless. Sunday night I ran a shotgun. Made the game fun for a few games. Problem is, when you have to pay ISK for everything, you can't afford fun loadouts. Not to mention wasting a million SP on a knife you use once a week...(for example, shotgun or mass driver are 2 others) I think this is a real fun killer, but part of the basis for the game. Troublesome. Why wouldn't you have fun with mass drivers or shotguns? They're awesome. |
Mr Funless
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
191
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Posted - 2012.08.14 04:05:00 -
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He's a PR guy. Is he really going to say "well we've had people complaining about various balance issues, but other than that it's been great!" |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
808
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Posted - 2012.08.14 04:15:00 -
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lol probs not, but he wasnt sugar coating it when he said:
"We don'tGÇÖ make simple, little games for people. We make intellectually demanding games for people and weGÇÖre proud of that"
this is not gonna change no matter how much people protest it in forums. |
TEBOW BAGGINS
FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET
549
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Posted - 2012.08.14 04:25:00 -
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CCP is not new to QQ and complaining. High sec miners whine and cry all day and say the same things, make the same ultimatums, and CCP stonewalls them to the delight of everyone else. They make their own game. IF you want to build your own game around your style of play every 3 months there's EA for that.
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Mr Funless
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
191
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Posted - 2012.08.14 04:26:00 -
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TEBOW BAGGINS wrote:CCP is not new to QQ and complaining. High sec miners whine and cry all day and say the same things, make the same ultimatums, and CCP stonewalls them to the delight of everyone else. They make their own game. IF you want to build your own game around your style of play every 3 months there's EA for that.
Well the high sec miners did get their way this time. :| |
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Rhadiem
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
496
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Posted - 2012.08.14 04:28:00 -
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Mr Funless wrote:TEBOW BAGGINS wrote:CCP is not new to QQ and complaining. High sec miners whine and cry all day and say the same things, make the same ultimatums, and CCP stonewalls them to the delight of everyone else. They make their own game. IF you want to build your own game around your style of play every 3 months there's EA for that.
Well the high sec miners did get their way this time. :|
haha, you'll have to figure out other ways to pick on carebears. |
Vrain Matari
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
404
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Posted - 2012.08.14 04:32:00 -
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What he could have said was:
'The culture clash on the forums has been fascinating, but what is really exciting is that we're starting to see signs of an evolution in how people are thinking about what they want out of an 'fps'-style game. We realize that all parts of DUST won't be everybody's cup of tea, but we can see from our closed beta forums that some of the traditional fps community are starting to understand what we're really offering them, and are signing on for what promises to be a very entertaining ride.' |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
808
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Posted - 2012.08.14 04:34:00 -
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Vrain Matari wrote:What he could have said was:
'The culture clash on the forums has been fascinating, but what is really exciting is that we're starting to see signs of an evolution in how people are thinking about what they want out of an 'fps'-style game. We realize that all parts of DUST won't be everybody's cup of tea, but we can see from our closed beta forums that some of the traditional fps community are starting to understand what we're really offering them, and are signing on for what promises to be a very entertaining ride.'
he could have.
it wouldve been epic.
but he didnt.
wish he did. |
TEBOW BAGGINS
FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET
549
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Posted - 2012.08.14 04:46:00 -
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Rhadiem wrote:Mr Funless wrote:TEBOW BAGGINS wrote:CCP is not new to QQ and complaining. High sec miners whine and cry all day and say the same things, make the same ultimatums, and CCP stonewalls them to the delight of everyone else. They make their own game. IF you want to build your own game around your style of play every 3 months there's EA for that.
Well the high sec miners did get their way this time. :| haha, you'll have to figure out other ways to pick on carebears.
i dabble in can flipping noob mission runners in Rens but mostly I rat/explore null sec, i suicide ganked a cov op cheetah that was parked uncloaked 0m from a high sec sun but i was ignorant to GCC and couldnt loot it... |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
808
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Posted - 2012.08.14 05:02:00 -
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TEBOW BAGGINS wrote:Rhadiem wrote:Mr Funless wrote:TEBOW BAGGINS wrote:CCP is not new to QQ and complaining. High sec miners whine and cry all day and say the same things, make the same ultimatums, and CCP stonewalls them to the delight of everyone else. They make their own game. IF you want to build your own game around your style of play every 3 months there's EA for that.
Well the high sec miners did get their way this time. :| haha, you'll have to figure out other ways to pick on carebears. i dabble in can flipping noob mission runners in Rens but mostly I rat/explore null sec, i suicide ganked a cov op cheetah that was parked uncloaked 0m from a high sec sun but i was ignorant to GCC and couldnt loot it...
lol people talk about how its going to be game breaking when you have newbs fighting against super duper specced and modded guys in high sec, but thats how its going to be unless you do an insta match with a matchmaking system. Just like tebow, there will be plenty of people out there who just wanna see the world burn.
My surya's engine is fueled by noob tears and my railgun shoots lamp posts. Someone has to get the fuel so i can gas up my tank. EVE economy at its best. I get fuel, tebow gets paid. |
Devil Biff
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
55
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Posted - 2012.08.14 06:16:00 -
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J'Jor Da'Wg wrote:He fails to mention the raging debates on the forum and the furious arguments over whether the game is fun or not,
But hey...
What else is PR for?
Yeah... U would think that CCP would realize that dust 514 is here to support the forums. These forums r soooo much more important.-á |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
808
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Posted - 2012.08.14 07:51:00 -
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the problem i see a lot is people think CCP is obligated to listen to what they say and make changes accordingly. Especially when these people dont even really know what the game is about outside of the fact you shoot people. I am glad CCP stays true to what they want and don't bow to any money grabbing publisher or whining entitled elitists. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
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Posted - 2012.08.14 07:55:00 -
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Vrain Matari wrote:What he could have said was:
'The culture clash on the forums has been fascinating, but what is really exciting is that we're starting to see signs of an evolution in how people are thinking about what they want out of an 'fps'-style game. We realize that all parts of DUST won't be everybody's cup of tea, but we can see from our closed beta forums that some of the traditional fps community are starting to understand what we're really offering them, and are signing on for what promises to be a very entertaining ride.'
eve mail him hell say it next time. |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
401
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Posted - 2012.08.14 08:02:00 -
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The actual data we provide on weapons/suits/mod/vehicles usage is far more important than any forum post.
Sidearms are fun but nothing beats killing a sniper at long range with the forge gun. Just hopeing that someday we get detailed weapon kill data.
I hear the knife is hardest weapon to use?? I am tempted to just knife the entire build just for lulz.???.
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Iceyburnz
316
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Posted - 2012.08.14 09:01:00 -
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J'Jor Da'Wg wrote:He fails to mention the raging debates on the forum and the furious arguments over whether the game is fun or not,
But hey...
What else is PR for?
Well he's hardly going to say:
"People like it; Well except for a small minority of whiny children who consider themselves "professional" fps players, but in reality have just left school and have no idea what to do with their lives, whose over indulgent parents let them sit in the basement all day eating cheesy poofs, drinking Gatorade and screaming at strangers from all four corners of the globe. Then when their throat is tired from screaming at a game they allegedly hate they come on a internet forum to post comparative analogies to see how much attention they can drum up to replace the friends they long since alienated with their self entitled attitudes." |
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Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.08.14 09:47:00 -
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You describe the EvE community so well icy. If only they were half decent at fps's instea of thinking they are... |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1012
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Posted - 2012.08.14 10:23:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:CCP is good at sifting through useless QQ and finding actual input on the beta build.
This
But also CCP aint afraid to go left field and really shake something up |
Iceyburnz
316
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Posted - 2012.08.14 10:33:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:You describe the EvE community so well icy. If only they were half decent at fps's instea of thinking they are...
I wasn't talking about the eve community I was talking about a handful of whiney teenagers with a sense of self entitlement.
Oh wait, I see what you did there.
Sweet burn dude.
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fenrir storm
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
314
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Posted - 2012.08.14 11:46:00 -
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The thing thats been bugging me how ccp have gone about there beta stage is that you are locked into testing one build how can this give reliable feedback this is due to the way the sp system is set up for beta.
Now if they would allow testers ( and thats what we are supposed to be) to be able to reset there builds and use the accumilated sp then we would be able to test more builds and give better information .
Seems strange the way we are locked in like this in a testing phase |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1012
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Posted - 2012.08.14 11:50:00 -
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fenrir storm wrote:The thing thats been bugging me how ccp have gone about there beta stage is that you are locked into testing one build how can this give reliable feedback this is due to the way the sp system is set up for beta. Now if they would allow testers ( and thats what we are supposed to be) to be able to reset there builds and use the accumilated sp then we would be able to test more builds and give better information . Seems strange the way we are locked in like this in a testing phase
Because if you noticed they have been changing the skills and what bonuses they may give or adding new bonuses and also new things and mods in general so you have more SP to spend |
fenrir storm
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
314
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Posted - 2012.08.14 12:27:00 -
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But how dose that change anything your still locked into basically one build . When a simple reset would allow you to test alot more more quickly . |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.08.14 12:48:00 -
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Fenrir, that's how the game works. They need to test it like this so that people can't just change their skills after a battle. You won't be able to in the release. I don't think everyone needs to test everything, just what matters to you, what kills you, and what you are just plain interested in. It allows CCP to identify tends. |
fenrir storm
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
314
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Posted - 2012.08.14 13:04:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:Fenrir, that's how the game works. They need to test it like this so that people can't just change their skills after a battle. You won't be able to in the release. I don't think everyone needs to test everything, just what matters to you, what kills you, and what you are just plain interested in. It allows CCP to identify tends.
Can see your point so i'll shut my mouth on this then, makes a change to be able to discuss things instead of being shot down in a hail of flames
But still seems a strange desicion to me |
JaZZa01
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
81
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Posted - 2012.08.14 13:12:00 -
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Typical business response. |
J'Jor Da'Wg
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
648
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Posted - 2012.08.14 14:55:00 -
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Iceyburnz wrote:J'Jor Da'Wg wrote:He fails to mention the raging debates on the forum and the furious arguments over whether the game is fun or not,
But hey...
What else is PR for? Well he's hardly going to say: "People like it; Well except for a small minority of whiny children who consider themselves "professional" fps players, but in reality have just left school and have no idea what to do with their lives, whose over indulgent parents let them sit in the basement all day eating cheesy poofs, drinking Gatorade and screaming at strangers from all four corners of the globe. Then when their throat is tired from screaming at a game they allegedly hate they come on a internet forum to post comparative analogies to see how much attention they can drum up to replace the friends they long since alienated with their self entitled attitudes."
Thats why I said "thats what PR" is for...
It makes me lol at the reactions to m simple comment. Like people can't stand the fact that there can be valid opinions about how the game isn't fun or something. Fanboys be fanboys yo |
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