Tell me Omnipotent, how much does a Prototype Infantry Weapon cost? Maximum 15 000 ISK? And how many SP is it to get to Prototype Swarms/ Forge Gun? Max 1 000 000?

You expect your tiny weapons to take out our 200 000 ISK vehicles. That isn't balanced, now is it? Now. 3-4 Infantry guys I understand. But come on. You're just embarrasing yourself now.


Protoman likes tanks.

its way easier to use cover as an AV guy than it is for tanks. i know its hard to believe, but a tanks weakness is it's maneuverability, so saying they are way too fast is silly.

in my tank, id say i easily have 15 mil sp in it, probs more.

wasnt completely directed at you.

so tanks using cover is unfair but infantry using it isnt? SL are definately a anti-vehicle wep, but the forge guns are the tank busters, so obviously they are preferred. Ask any tank driver and he will say how SL are way more annoying because they do 90 degree turns around buildings and such and are very difficult to dodge once fired.

as far as the amount of sp required for a fitting to effectively work in either situation, tanks will always cost more sp and isk investment to be effective. They are tanks.

there's 2 different kinds of balance in this thread. let me put it this way...

wanting to balance a prototype forge gun to make it useful against high end tanks, is perfectly valid. it's another piece of high end equipment. that is the sort of feedback we should be giving ccp.

wanting to balance a militia fit against a full prototype fit is not. otherwise why have varying "tiers" of equipment? if you're against grinding then fine, you are entitled to your opinion and to play at your own pace, but ccp can't just cut the progression system out of the game for you.


so when we debate balance, we need to consider the tech level of the equipment. of COURSE a creodron is better than a militia AR. and it should stay that way. if you can't accept that then why are you here? it's not like it was a big secret ccp sprung on you? progression was a SELLING POINT?!

but how about when compared to a duvolle?

or how about a properly fitted marauder being able to take so much damage, that a prototype swarm can literally never kill it? (as in it has more health than they can carry in ammo) THAT'S a balance issue.

or how about when a scout suit can dance around an equal tier heavy suit and never take damage? people have tried to compare this to eve: a battleship being unable to hit a speedy frigate, but what frigate can put out enough dps to solo a battleship?

or why can a 0 investment militia vehicle kill ANY dropsuit, by brushing lightly up against them? that's **** tier beating top end, THAT'S a balance issue.

or a piece of 10k SP and 2k ISK equipment being a guaranteed one shot kill to any infantry it touches? RE? working as intended?


there are plenty of legitimate balance issues in dust, but "more SP = better" isn't really one of them. you don't have to LIKE it, but you also don't have to play. there is literally every other shooter in the world for you where there is either 0 progression, or only token progression.