DUST Search - Notes do not indicate improvement in weapon mechanics.

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

JonnyAugust wrote:

Grit Breather wrote:

JonnyAugust wrote:

Since my previous thread got locked for no reason, I am reposting the fact that:

The glaring problems with hit detection is not even mentioned in the notes. Leading me to draw the conclusion that CCP would rather add Black Op Tanks instead of fixing one of the most basic, core gameplay feature of a First Person Shooter.

The patch notes are...lacking.
In IRC CCP stated that hit detection has improved (at least slightly) and that they're constantly working on improving that mechanism.
There's a lot that didn't get into the patch notes but that doesn't mean it's not there.

As a beta tester, I cannot base my opinion on hearsay, conjecture, and anecdotes. I will believe it when I see it or hear it from CCP. If CCP prefers to run its testing by having its participants guess about the features they fix, then I must say I am disappointed in the quality of communication.

If you where here for the previous build replication you'll find that the current e3 patchnotes are just as lacking.

Maybe they got 6k posting limits too you know? improving gun play would fall under 'general bug fixes'

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JonnyAugust Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 212	Posted - 2012.08.11 14:09:00 - [1] - Quote Since my previous thread got locked for no reason, I am reposting the fact that: The glaring problems with hit detection is not even mentioned in the notes. Leading me to draw the conclusion that CCP would rather add Black Op Tanks instead of fixing one of the most basic, core gameplay feature of a First Person Shooter.
Grit Breather BetaMax. 660	Posted - 2012.08.11 14:13:00 - [2] - Quote JonnyAugust wrote: Since my previous thread got locked for no reason, I am reposting the fact that: The glaring problems with hit detection is not even mentioned in the notes. Leading me to draw the conclusion that CCP would rather add Black Op Tanks instead of fixing one of the most basic, core gameplay feature of a First Person Shooter. The patch notes are...lacking. In IRC CCP stated that hit detection has improved (at least slightly) and that they're constantly working on improving that mechanism. There's a lot that didn't get into the patch notes but that doesn't mean it's not there.
JonnyAugust Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 212	Posted - 2012.08.11 14:17:00 - [3] - Quote Grit Breather wrote: JonnyAugust wrote: Since my previous thread got locked for no reason, I am reposting the fact that: The glaring problems with hit detection is not even mentioned in the notes. Leading me to draw the conclusion that CCP would rather add Black Op Tanks instead of fixing one of the most basic, core gameplay feature of a First Person Shooter. The patch notes are...lacking. In IRC CCP stated that hit detection has improved (at least slightly) and that they're constantly working on improving that mechanism. There's a lot that didn't get into the patch notes but that doesn't mean it's not there. As a beta tester, I cannot base my opinion on hearsay, conjecture, and anecdotes. I will believe it when I see it or hear it from CCP. If CCP prefers to run its testing by having its participants guess about the features they fix, then I must say I am disappointed in the quality of communication.
Grit Breather BetaMax. 660	Posted - 2012.08.11 14:21:00 - [4] - Quote JonnyAugust wrote: As a beta tester, I cannot base my opinion on hearsay, conjecture, and anecdotes. I will believe it when I see it or hear it from CCP. If CCP prefers to run its testing by having its participants guess about the features they fix, then I must say I am disappointed in the quality of communication. As fun as this beta testing phase is, do not confuse your role. You are a volunteer beta tester. You are not being paid, you are not a CCP employee and you are not part of any QA staff. In addition, you are not required to follow any testing procedures or fill in long forms. All you are here to do is "Play in as many different ways and try to break the game". Nothing CCP say or don't say impedes your task. Play and break the game. On a slighly different note, I do agree that having more information would be better but I also believe we've gotten very detailed patch notes.
JonnyAugust Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 212	Posted - 2012.08.11 14:27:00 - [5] - Quote Grit Breather wrote: JonnyAugust wrote: As a beta tester, I cannot base my opinion on hearsay, conjecture, and anecdotes. I will believe it when I see it or hear it from CCP. If CCP prefers to run its testing by having its participants guess about the features they fix, then I must say I am disappointed in the quality of communication. As fun as this beta testing phase is, do not confuse your role. You are a volunteer beta tester. You are not being paid, you are not a CCP employee and you are not part of any QA staff. In addition, you are not required to follow any testing procedures or fill in long forms. All you are here to do is "Play in as many different ways and try to break the game". Nothing CCP say or don't say impedes your task. Play and break the game. On a slighly different note, I do agree that having more information would be better but I also believe we've gotten very detailed patch notes. I love it when self righteous new beta testers try to say whats on CCPs mind. I am stating a glaring breaking game feature. The game is broke and I am bringing that to their attention.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.08.11 14:31:00 - [6] - Quote JonnyAugust wrote: Grit Breather wrote: JonnyAugust wrote: Since my previous thread got locked for no reason, I am reposting the fact that: The glaring problems with hit detection is not even mentioned in the notes. Leading me to draw the conclusion that CCP would rather add Black Op Tanks instead of fixing one of the most basic, core gameplay feature of a First Person Shooter. The patch notes are...lacking. In IRC CCP stated that hit detection has improved (at least slightly) and that they're constantly working on improving that mechanism. There's a lot that didn't get into the patch notes but that doesn't mean it's not there. As a beta tester, I cannot base my opinion on hearsay, conjecture, and anecdotes. I will believe it when I see it or hear it from CCP. If CCP prefers to run its testing by having its participants guess about the features they fix, then I must say I am disappointed in the quality of communication. If you where here for the previous build replication you'll find that the current e3 patchnotes are just as lacking. Maybe they got 6k posting limits too you know? improving gun play would fall under 'general bug fixes'
JonnyAugust Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 212	Posted - 2012.08.11 14:36:00 - [7] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: JonnyAugust wrote: Grit Breather wrote: JonnyAugust wrote: Since my previous thread got locked for no reason, I am reposting the fact that: The glaring problems with hit detection is not even mentioned in the notes. Leading me to draw the conclusion that CCP would rather add Black Op Tanks instead of fixing one of the most basic, core gameplay feature of a First Person Shooter. The patch notes are...lacking. In IRC CCP stated that hit detection has improved (at least slightly) and that they're constantly working on improving that mechanism. There's a lot that didn't get into the patch notes but that doesn't mean it's not there. As a beta tester, I cannot base my opinion on hearsay, conjecture, and anecdotes. I will believe it when I see it or hear it from CCP. If CCP prefers to run its testing by having its participants guess about the features they fix, then I must say I am disappointed in the quality of communication. If you where here for the previous build replication you'll find that the current e3 patchnotes are just as lacking. Maybe they got 6k posting limits too you know? improving gun play would fall under 'general bug fixes' I've been here since April, the first round of beta invites after Fanfest. I have yet to see a major fix not get posted inside the patch notes.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.08.11 14:44:00 - [8] - Quote I have. No mention 'communications skirmish was removed due to memory leak' is one case.
JonnyAugust Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 212	Posted - 2012.08.11 14:45:00 - [9] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I have. No mention 'communications skirmish was removed due to memory leak' is one case. How do you know that was even the reason?
Chao Wolf Imperfects Negative-Feedback 209	Posted - 2012.08.11 15:24:00 - [10] - Quote Devs said it at one point I think

Iceyburnz 316	Posted - 2012.08.11 15:34:00 - [11] - Quote JonnyAugust wrote: I love it when self righteous new beta testers try to say whats on CCPs mind. I am stating a glaring breaking game feature. The game is broke and I am bringing that to their attention. Because value judgements on other people opinions aren't self righteous at all. He has the right to state his opinion without being attacked by you tbf. Yes some aspects of the game arn't perfect but its hardly game breaking. This game is not going to be your dream version of [insert console shooter released in the last 3 years here]. Sorry, its just not going to happen.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.08.11 15:37:00 - [12] - Quote JonnyAugust wrote: Grit Breather wrote: JonnyAugust wrote: As a beta tester, I cannot base my opinion on hearsay, conjecture, and anecdotes. I will believe it when I see it or hear it from CCP. If CCP prefers to run its testing by having its participants guess about the features they fix, then I must say I am disappointed in the quality of communication. As fun as this beta testing phase is, do not confuse your role. You are a volunteer beta tester. You are not being paid, you are not a CCP employee and you are not part of any QA staff. In addition, you are not required to follow any testing procedures or fill in long forms. All you are here to do is "Play in as many different ways and try to break the game". Nothing CCP say or don't say impedes your task. Play and break the game. On a slighly different note, I do agree that having more information would be better but I also believe we've gotten very detailed patch notes. I love it when self righteous new beta testers try to say whats on CCPs mind. I am stating a glaring breaking game feature. The game is broke and I am bringing that to their attention. And that is good, because such feedback is needed. However, posts like those made by ALM1GHTY are just useless.
JonnyAugust Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 212	Posted - 2012.08.11 16:08:00 - [13] - Quote Iceyburnz wrote: JonnyAugust wrote: I love it when self righteous new beta testers try to say whats on CCPs mind. I am stating a glaring breaking game feature. The game is broke and I am bringing that to their attention. Because value judgements on other people opinions aren't self righteous at all. He has the right to state his opinion without being attacked by you tbf. Yes some aspects of the game arn't perfect but its hardly game breaking. This game is not going to be your dream version of [insert console shooter released in the last 3 years here]. Sorry, its just not going to happen. Not asking for dream version, I just want the gun mechanics to be better than Quake 2.
Debacle Nano Shadow Company HQ 639	Posted - 2012.08.11 17:06:00 - [14] - Quote Prepare to be relocked!
crazy space ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2012.08.11 17:08:00 - [15] - Quote the patch notes do mention a difference in the way weapons aim , if you can't see it, read the patch notes again also gun mechanics are the as every other shooter made with unreal engine 3. If it's the engine you have issue with, direct your anger there
Roccano1 152	Posted - 2012.08.11 18:03:00 - [16] - Quote So, because its not in the patch notes (It very well may be, ill read over them again) that means they wont be fixing it? If they put EVERYTHING they changed in the patch notes, you would most likely be reading for a few hours. Edit - Fixed the excessive aim assist Im assuming this is what your talking about?
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.08.11 19:09:00 - [17] - Quote There are alot of other fixes not mentioned on the patch notes, for example after excessive amounts of yelling we managed to get them to update they boosted drawdistance even though before they updated that post they only declared it on the IRC channel.
Ten-Sidhe Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 414	Posted - 2012.08.11 20:15:00 - [18] - Quote CCP leaves stuff out of notes, underlaying mechanics in eve were improved/altered many with no mention in notes. The gunplay fixes are probably many small things that addup, hard to list so they just use catch all at end. Wait to see if fixed after new build, then complain/celebrate as needed.
William HBonney Imperfects Negative-Feedback 318	Posted - 2012.08.11 20:36:00 - [19] - Quote The OP has a very valid point, these forums are set up for us the gamers to give AND recieve feedback from the DEVs on the developement of the game....The DEVs choose to give more information out in IRC and other outlets so the forum people have to hear a second hand account...and they could have posted ALL the patch notes, I think they should have, if we are attempting to break the game we should be aware of all game mechanics so we don't HAVE to do trial and error in game to test what does what.....all the OP is wondering why they don't communicate via forums. on a side note...any mention of swarm fixes?
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.08.11 22:20:00 - [20] - Quote William HBonney wrote: The OP has a very valid point, these forums are set up for us the gamers to give AND recieve feedback from the DEVs on the developement of the game....The DEVs choose to give more information out in IRC and other outlets so the forum people have to hear a second hand account...and they could have posted ALL the patch notes, I think they should have, if we are attempting to break the game we should be aware of all game mechanics so we don't HAVE to do trial and error in game to test what does what.....all the OP is wondering why they don't communicate via forums. on a side note...any mention of swarm fixes? Swarm launcher missiles now fly a bit faster to compensate for the new dropship handeling. Once again was answered shortly after patchnotes where posted on IRC channel when there was concerns dropships would get too 'powerful' As for the IRC channel anyone can join in the channel easy if they got a good web browser with flash some patience and this thread https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=22699&find=unread Remember #Dust514 is public no NDA covered discussions, #Dust514_Beta is the one we can share NDA stuff and is more active. Just when you join this channel dont pester the developers unless they indicate they want to be pestered with questions/feedback/clarifications :P Here is the other reason why they want to avoid using the forum. There is the 'You lied to us CCP!!!!" factor. Forums are a bit more pernament and less forgiving on information. An example would be CCP saying 'we fixed gun play' is entirely interpetive to some people. For example lets say you consider the only thing broken in gun play is how badly the scrambler pistol reload animation matches with actual reload indication. CCP may have gone in and fixed how people with fully automatics cant hit a scout dancing in front of hte crosshairs and called that fixing gun play while never touching the animation matching. Bottom line is, savor the current build while you can.

Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.08.11 22:31:00 - [21] - Quote These threads about game mechanics are really starting to baffle me. If I had to choose between Dust, BF3, and CoD based solely on weapon mechanics and gunplay, I'd play Dust. Throw BFBC2 or MAG into that mix and it'd be a bit tougher choice.. But my point remains - the mechanics are pretty good, just some tweaks and features need a little fixing.
Maken Tosch 263	Posted - 2012.08.11 23:29:00 - [22] - Quote William HBonney wrote: The OP has a very valid point, these forums are set up for us the gamers to give AND recieve feedback from the DEVs on the developement of the game....The DEVs choose to give more information out in IRC and other outlets so the forum people have to hear a second hand account...and they could have posted ALL the patch notes, I think they should have, if we are attempting to break the game we should be aware of all game mechanics so we don't HAVE to do trial and error in game to test what does what.....all the OP is wondering why they don't communicate via forums. on a side note...any mention of swarm fixes? You can join IRC as well, you know.
JonnyAugust Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 212	Posted - 2012.08.12 04:15:00 - [23] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: William HBonney wrote: The OP has a very valid point, these forums are set up for us the gamers to give AND recieve feedback from the DEVs on the developement of the game....The DEVs choose to give more information out in IRC and other outlets so the forum people have to hear a second hand account...and they could have posted ALL the patch notes, I think they should have, if we are attempting to break the game we should be aware of all game mechanics so we don't HAVE to do trial and error in game to test what does what.....all the OP is wondering why they don't communicate via forums. on a side note...any mention of swarm fixes? You can join IRC as well, you know. I'm sorry, I have a life and can't participate in a video game chat room 24/7 for news and updates. Remember, CCP isn't paying us to help them fix their game?
xprotoman23 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1452	Posted - 2012.08.12 04:16:00 - [24] - Quote JonnyAugust wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: William HBonney wrote: The OP has a very valid point, these forums are set up for us the gamers to give AND recieve feedback from the DEVs on the developement of the game....The DEVs choose to give more information out in IRC and other outlets so the forum people have to hear a second hand account...and they could have posted ALL the patch notes, I think they should have, if we are attempting to break the game we should be aware of all game mechanics so we don't HAVE to do trial and error in game to test what does what.....all the OP is wondering why they don't communicate via forums. on a side note...any mention of swarm fixes? You can join IRC as well, you know. I'm sorry, I have a life and can't participate in a video game chat room 24/7 for news and updates. Remember, CCP isn't paying us to help them fix their game?
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.08.12 04:20:00 - [25] - Quote xprotoman23 wrote: JonnyAugust wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: William HBonney wrote: The OP has a very valid point, these forums are set up for us the gamers to give AND recieve feedback from the DEVs on the developement of the game....The DEVs choose to give more information out in IRC and other outlets so the forum people have to hear a second hand account...and they could have posted ALL the patch notes, I think they should have, if we are attempting to break the game we should be aware of all game mechanics so we don't HAVE to do trial and error in game to test what does what.....all the OP is wondering why they don't communicate via forums. on a side note...any mention of swarm fixes? You can join IRC as well, you know. I'm sorry, I have a life and can't participate in a video game chat room 24/7 for news and updates. Remember, CCP isn't paying us to help them fix their game? Im paying ccp to fix a game I play!!!
Nova Knife Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 788	Posted - 2012.08.12 04:20:00 - [26] - Quote Even if you can't go on IRC, there's plenty of us who do watch if 24/7 and can relay the information on the forums. Which many of us do! Hit detection isn't completely fixed in the next build but it is a lot better.
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 808	Posted - 2012.08.12 04:21:00 - [27] - Quote lol so many people butthurt over the next patch and its still a week away.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.08.12 04:24:00 - [28] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: lol so many people butthurt over the next patch and its still a week away. or less. Well if a certain number of people complain and a certain number of people rejoice you did something right because you have something to fix for the next round of patches.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.08.12 06:02:00 - [29] - Quote Also to add onto the list is the likley mouse support includes the following buttons Left Right Thumb Primary Thumb Secondary Mouse Wheel Up Mouse Wheel Down Mouse X move Mouse Y move this is of course unoffical but based on the unreal engine capabilities.
D3vil0fMin3 Air Raiders 23	Posted - 2012.08.12 15:51:00 - [30] - Quote this game is trash like 200 people will play it congrats on making another dead mag CCP.. hats off



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