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xprotoman23 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1452	Posted - 2012.08.11 00:24:00 - [1] - Quote I never thought it could get any worse than Scott Rudi, but CCP have proven me wrong [:8) ==================================================================================================== Lets hold down R1 and snipe people with HMG's now yay Lets hold down R1 and snipe people with SMG's now yay Lets get killed by Forge guns again like in replication Lets add even more RBS to the breach weapons Lets nerf the effective range of the assault rifles so "sniper ghost warrior1122099" can kill you head glitching up in a mountain Lets nerf the damage the damage on the assault rifles, because people were getting killed too fast Lets continue to cater this game to people who have little to no gun game whatsoever Lets continue to say everything is all fine and dandy when this game lacks any type of foundation in terms of shooter mechanics Lets run around with 4 man squads and continue to have the same retards who have been worthless the past several builds continue to be worthless Lets completely forget about this game being an FPS ==================================================================================================== The effective range of assault rifles have been nerfed The damage of the creodron has been nerfed All Assault rifles still feel like crap ==================================================================================================== Proto-gods fix for AR's in DUST 514 1. change damage levels back to E3/replication 2. change effective range back to E3/replication 3. Add more ammo capacity to the standard AR 4. Change the Burst rifle to a 3 shot burst ====================================================================================================
crazy space ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2012.08.11 00:26:00 - [2] - Quote you haven't even seen the new build yet, stop being such a baby wait until you see what it's like now. also it's not a nerf if the game isn't released yet, they didn't HAVE to let us test the game. Be grateful you even got to play when the game wasn't finished yet.
vermacht Doe 93	Posted - 2012.08.11 00:40:00 - [3] - Quote crazy space wrote: you haven't even seen the new build yet, stop being such a baby wait until you see what it's like now. also it's not a nerf if the game isn't released yet, they didn't HAVE to let us test the game. Be grateful you even got to play when the game wasn't finished yet. +1
xprotoman23 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1452	Posted - 2012.08.11 00:41:00 - [4] - Quote crazy space wrote: you haven't even seen the new build yet, stop being such a baby wait until you see what it's like now. also it's not a nerf if the game isn't released yet, they didn't HAVE to let us test the game. Be grateful you even got to play when the game wasn't finished yet. I remember playing replication with all the heavy armor HMG losers. Hold down R1 for kills much.
vermacht Doe 93	Posted - 2012.08.11 00:45:00 - [5] - Quote xprotoman23 wrote: crazy space wrote: you haven't even seen the new build yet, stop being such a baby wait until you see what it's like now. also it's not a nerf if the game isn't released yet, they didn't HAVE to let us test the game. Be grateful you even got to play when the game wasn't finished yet. I remember playing replication with all the heavy armor HMG losers. Hold down R1 for kills much. The messed up thing is one person can get more kills in one breach magazine than in one hmg magazine
SoLJae ZionTCD Legacy Rising 351	Posted - 2012.08.11 00:48:00 - [6] - Quote vermacht Doe wrote: xprotoman23 wrote: crazy space wrote: you haven't even seen the new build yet, stop being such a baby wait until you see what it's like now. also it's not a nerf if the game isn't released yet, they didn't HAVE to let us test the game. Be grateful you even got to play when the game wasn't finished yet. I remember playing replication with all the heavy armor HMG losers. Hold down R1 for kills much. The messed up thing is one person can get more kills in one breach magazine than in one hmg magazine Yeah, i always loved that about the Breach sigh Guess it's time to learn how to use the Tactical Assault Rifle for me. Sounds like they buffed it up all real good for killin!
xprotoman23 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1452	Posted - 2012.08.11 01:09:00 - [7] - Quote vermacht Doe wrote: xprotoman23 wrote: crazy space wrote: you haven't even seen the new build yet, stop being such a baby wait until you see what it's like now. also it's not a nerf if the game isn't released yet, they didn't HAVE to let us test the game. Be grateful you even got to play when the game wasn't finished yet. I remember playing replication with all the heavy armor HMG losers. Hold down R1 for kills much. The messed up thing is one person can get more kills in one breach magazine than in one hmg magazine did you play replication?
KryptixX Imperfects Negative-Feedback 321	Posted - 2012.08.11 01:13:00 - [8] - Quote replication was the one before E3? i played that one. the nerf to the HMG was a "crude" nerf, meaning they nerfed the **** out of it cuz it was clearly OP. the nerf to the breach AR should not be anything as sever as the HMG nerf, id expect Gëñ5 damage reduction.
vermacht Doe 93	Posted - 2012.08.11 01:21:00 - [9] - Quote xprotoman23 wrote: vermacht Doe wrote: xprotoman23 wrote: crazy space wrote: you haven't even seen the new build yet, stop being such a baby wait until you see what it's like now. also it's not a nerf if the game isn't released yet, they didn't HAVE to let us test the game. Be grateful you even got to play when the game wasn't finished yet. I remember playing replication with all the heavy armor HMG losers. Hold down R1 for kills much. The messed up thing is one person can get more kills in one breach magazine than in one hmg magazine did you play replication? No
Icy Tiger 496	Posted - 2012.08.11 01:23:00 - [10] - Quote I played Replication, and in my opinion, the HMG did not need that big of a nerf. Right now, its little more than an SMG woth more ammo. In Replication, the Heavy ***** who used it were easy to take out once you knew how to run around them. And with your skill, I'm sure you won't need to worry. And let's be serious. It was either nerf one gun. Or buff them all. So, thinking realistically, it's the best option. I used to think you were an ***** until I played with you, and you're pretty good.

lDocHollidayl Imperfects Negative-Feedback 171	Posted - 2012.08.11 01:34:00 - [11] - Quote I am surprised. I am just kinda trusting that they know what they are doing. That the build their playing does not make the breach broke. Being that the DPS is nowhere near first I would love to hear the reasoning. My very speculative opinion...Hit detection is off but this gun shoots slow enough where most it's bullets hit...so nerf. Or the med range near GOD like accuracy created a weapon that had too much punch. This won't be the final build so I will continue to "test".
Mike Gunnzito 111	Posted - 2012.08.11 02:10:00 - [12] - Quote I can predict it now, breach rifles will be under powered now. (assuming the hit detection is improved) If they do anything over a 2pt reduction in dmg, the breach will be crap relative to other ARs. Many have said, (myself included) that once you improve hit detection, you'll automatically buff all the other faster ROF ARs. They have better theoretical DPS, so once the rounds actually start hitting from improved hit detection, they'll be a more viable option. Also, if the Tact AR is being buffed too, then all will be options vs the breach ARs. No need to go overboard. Disclosure: While I do occasionally use the breach, I actually use the Duvolle more. I usually am a burst user in games that have burst ARs, but dropped the burst gun in Dust, after I found it to be complete shite with the garbo hit detection this game had. I may have to pick it back up if hit detect gets improved. (keeps fingers crossed)
Algon Versier Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.08.11 02:23:00 - [13] - Quote Once the KBMers are able to play like they want to it would probably balance itself out without a need for too much of a nerf. I hope CCP realizes this. (Or I hope they don't in the chance that I'm just flat wrong)
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2283	Posted - 2012.08.11 04:31:00 - [14] - Quote xprotoman23 wrote: Not going to bother writing anything more on the issue. HMG's getting un-nerfed and SMG's getting an increase in effective range. if anything CCP should have added more ammo to the standard assault rifles turned the burst AR into the Halo battle-rifle or R2/R3 Marksman COD M16 Marksman <3 loved that gun yea i dont understand the SMG buff tbh, thought SMGs were pretty good before
xprotoman23 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1452	Posted - 2012.08.11 04:35:00 - [15] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: xprotoman23 wrote: Not going to bother writing anything more on the issue. HMG's getting un-nerfed and SMG's getting an increase in effective range. if anything CCP should have added more ammo to the standard assault rifles turned the burst AR into the Halo battle-rifle or R2/R3 Marksman COD M16 Marksman <3 loved that gun yea i dont understand the SMG buff tbh, thought SMGs were pretty good before Burst AR might as well be full auto. They need to change it to a three round burst. People use the creodron because every other rifle is terrible.
Raynor Ragna 266	Posted - 2012.08.11 04:35:00 - [16] - Quote Protos posts are nothing more than a troll. Breach ARs have always been seen as OP. The different between breach and other varients is huge. Its rarely worth using any other weapons.
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 808	Posted - 2012.08.11 04:41:00 - [17] - Quote xprotoman23 wrote: Not going to bother writing anything more on the issue. HMG's getting un-nerfed and SMG's getting an increase in effective range. if anything CCP should have added more ammo to the standard assault rifles turned the burst AR into the Halo battle-rifle or R2/R3 Marksman COD M16 sniff sniff...........
Elrick Mercer 23	Posted - 2012.08.11 05:00:00 - [18] - Quote crazy space wrote: you haven't even seen the new build yet, stop being such a baby wait until you see what it's like now. also it's not a nerf if the game isn't released yet, they didn't HAVE to let us test the game. Be grateful you even got to play when the game wasn't finished yet. So he complains and it's oh you haven't seen the patch yet. But people rave and about it and I haven't seen you say that ** to them. Smell your own ** before you talk about someone else!
Kcobra Rod Foxhound Corporation 55	Posted - 2012.08.11 05:02:00 - [19] - Quote Switch the damage of breach and tactical...?
Omnipotent lilmamaj Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 205	Posted - 2012.08.11 05:05:00 - [20] - Quote The marksman with that scope omg uber eliteness without being OP.

Hollow Ling Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 32	Posted - 2012.08.11 05:11:00 - [21] - Quote Meh don't care if it's nerfed.....back to forge gunning
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 808	Posted - 2012.08.11 05:14:00 - [22] - Quote a lot of the people who complain about this stuff are the leet skillz gun gods who only play with like 10% of everything they can use anyway. God forbid they have to try a different fitting... ^^^not aimed at anyone in particular guys.
xprotoman23 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1452	Posted - 2012.08.11 05:33:00 - [23] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: a lot of the people who complain about this stuff are the leet skillz gun gods who only play with like 10% of everything they can use anyway. God forbid they have to try a different fitting... ^^^not aimed at anyone in particular guys. so your trying to downplay the importance of specialization CCP keeps destroying infantry based combat with every patch. The people that cry that the creodron AR is OP are the same people that go 3/10+ deaths per game, because they suck and have no business playing objective based games.
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 808	Posted - 2012.08.11 05:46:00 - [24] - Quote xprotoman23 wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: a lot of the people who complain about this stuff are the leet skillz gun gods who only play with like 10% of everything they can use anyway. God forbid they have to try a different fitting... ^^^not aimed at anyone in particular guys. so your trying to downplay the importance of specialization CCP keeps destroying infantry based combat with every patch. The people that cry that the creodron AR is OP are the same people that go 3/10+ deaths per game, because they suck and have no business playing objective based games. did you even read my post? clearly i was saying more people need to specialize with different weps. Come on proto, step up your game....
KryptixX Imperfects Negative-Feedback 321	Posted - 2012.08.11 06:44:00 - [25] - Quote xprotoman23 wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: a lot of the people who complain about this stuff are the leet skillz gun gods who only play with like 10% of everything they can use anyway. God forbid they have to try a different fitting... ^^^not aimed at anyone in particular guys. so your trying to downplay the importance of specialization CCP keeps destroying infantry based combat with every patch. The people that cry that the creodron AR is OP are the same people that go 3/10+ deaths per game, because they suck and have no business playing objective based games. really? you really think the creodron isnt better than every other variant?
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 808	Posted - 2012.08.11 06:54:00 - [26] - Quote xprotoman23 wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: a lot of the people who complain about this stuff are the leet skillz gun gods who only play with like 10% of everything they can use anyway. God forbid they have to try a different fitting... ^^^not aimed at anyone in particular guys. so your trying to downplay the importance of specialization CCP keeps destroying infantry based combat with every patch. The people that cry that the creodron AR is OP are the same people that go 3/10+ deaths per game, because they suck and have no business playing objective based games. wow lol, i remember in the past when you were giving people **** for them saying go play COD or BF cause your complaints were basically about all the things Dust does differently form them..... now your just gonna tell someone to just not play? lolz
Ten-Sidhe Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 414	Posted - 2012.08.11 07:11:00 - [27] - Quote As smg specialist(I skilled smg to 3 on second tier skill, as well as the all the second tier sidearm skills. Can't even use an adv. ar) The range buff will only help assualt and heavy smg users. Scouts at the longer end of smg range now are dead vs ar. The fast movement only helps defense at close range, the gun range will only help in few occasions that require controlled burst aiming down sights. Smg scouts do not have many of these. So, it's a buff to av build side arms. I think the creo nerf will be small to make it equal to others, so its not the most common but still useful hopefully.
William HBonney Imperfects Negative-Feedback 318	Posted - 2012.08.11 07:30:00 - [28] - Quote The point is this...the Creon has less dps potential then the other proto ar. The smg had higher dps then ar....drawback is shorter range...smg did not need buff. Why no love for the swarm? ....we will see what happens but not liking where this is heading
Elrick Mercer 23	Posted - 2012.08.11 08:28:00 - [29] - Quote William HBonney wrote: The point is this...the Creon has less dps potential then the other proto ar. The smg had higher dps then ar....drawback is shorter range...smg did not need buff. Why no love for the swarm? ....we will see what happens but not liking where this is heading It's like they are just doing **** that they think is cool but it's really not!
Laurent Cazaderon Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 1155	Posted - 2012.08.11 09:43:00 - [30] - Quote xprotoman23 wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: a lot of the people who complain about this stuff are the leet skillz gun gods who only play with like 10% of everything they can use anyway. God forbid they have to try a different fitting... ^^^not aimed at anyone in particular guys. so your trying to downplay the importance of specialization CCP keeps destroying infantry based combat with every patch. The people that cry that the creodron AR is OP are the same people that go 3/10+ deaths per game, because they suck and have no business playing objective based games. Absolutely wrong...... Breach ARE OP and i m no victim on the BF. Its a skilless weapon at the moment like tamsen were. Seeing heavy creodron everywhere is clue enough how op this weapon is. It offers twice damage compared to the duvolle and hasnt enough fallback to compensate... Let s just see how deep the nerf is before whining. Also killing infantry with each build ? WTF. get down your high horse mate...... On the other hand i agree that SMG didnt need any buff.

Omnipotent lilmamaj Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 205	Posted - 2012.08.11 09:52:00 - [31] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: xprotoman23 wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: a lot of the people who complain about this stuff are the leet skillz gun gods who only play with like 10% of everything they can use anyway. God forbid they have to try a different fitting... ^^^not aimed at anyone in particular guys. so your trying to downplay the importance of specialization CCP keeps destroying infantry based combat with every patch. The people that cry that the creodron AR is OP are the same people that go 3/10+ deaths per game, because they suck and have no business playing objective based games. Absolutely wrong...... Breach ARE OP and i m no victim on the BF. Its a skilless weapon at the moment like tamsen were. Seeing heavy creodron everywhere is clue enough how op this weapon is. It offers twice damage compared to the duvolle and hasnt enough fallback to compensate... Let s just see how deep the nerf is before whining. Also killing infantry with each build ? WTF. get down your high horse mate...... On the other hand i agree that SMG didnt need any buff. Lol tamsen wasn't OP Breach isn't OP AG>tamsen Duoville>Creo you know whats really funny about this post? the problem with the duo and the AG are the same. lack of ammo lolololololol
EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1012	Posted - 2012.08.11 10:21:00 - [32] - Quote Breach is okay for now but the damage mods dont work atm Cant really say until i see the numbers but atm the breach is like 57.1 DPS i think, it may drop to 55 i reckon but cant say until new build Its all speculation
Mike Gunnzito 111	Posted - 2012.08.11 13:00:00 - [33] - Quote Its not so much that breach isnt OP, it is. The prob, is when devlopers go overboard when trying to balance guns. If you improve hit detection, the faster firing ar become better because they already have better dps. Once you improve the tact and burst ar, they will be better options without having to nerf the breach. I guess we'll haveto wait and see.
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.08.11 13:11:00 - [34] - Quote The problem isn't te DPS. The problem is that the clip lasts longer than any other assault rifle. Once team play starts to get serious, the ability to reload only 1/2 as much is amazing. More demonstration that CCP doesn't quite understand team based FPS with high health. TAMSEN on mag was only good because of 45 capacity instead of 30. THAT is the problem. Tac AR + mouse will be silly good IMHO.
William HBonney Imperfects Negative-Feedback 318	Posted - 2012.08.11 13:23:00 - [35] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: The problem isn't te DPS. The problem is that the clip lasts longer than any other assault rifle. Once team play starts to get serious, the ability to reload only 1/2 as much is amazing. More demonstration that CCP doesn't quite understand team based FPS with high health. TAMSEN on mag was only good because of 45 capacity instead of 30. THAT is the problem. Tac AR + mouse will be silly good IMHO. Highest killing potential yes, but if it has less dps then the person should die faster making a longer lasting clip obsolete. I agree the devolle takes more skill but it has faster killing....cant tell u how many times I kill Creon users 1v1 with my smg or pistol I normally win because I spit out tons more dmg...I think a lot less people will use the Creon now...it 'll become worthless. Unless of course they nerf it by 1 dmg.
GAGAH-BOY BRAZIL 66	Posted - 2012.08.11 14:29:00 - [36] - Quote I agree with you proto .
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.08.11 14:33:00 - [37] - Quote xprotoman23 wrote: Not going to bother writing anything more on the issue. HMG's getting un-nerfed and SMG's getting an increase in effective range. if anything CCP should have added more ammo to the standard assault rifles turned the burst AR into the Halo battle-rifle or R2/R3 Marksman COD M16 From replicatiosn point of view they're still getting nerfed. From E3's point of view buffed.
JonnyAugust Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 212	Posted - 2012.08.11 14:35:00 - [38] - Quote ARs are very lacking atm with no mention of improvement aside from nerfing or buffing. The 'accuracy' is based on RBS which is sad. None of the weapons have adjustable fire modes (a feature that has been in games since at least 2005) But seriously, how can we even critique these things when the hit detection problems don't even merit a serious post in the patch notes? MOAR BLACK OP TANKS!
Hollow Ling Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 32	Posted - 2012.08.11 14:51:00 - [39] - Quote KDR+objective based game.......does not compute proto error error
JonnyAugust Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 212	Posted - 2012.08.11 14:57:00 - [40] - Quote Hollow Ling wrote: KDR+objective based game.......does not compute proto error error I'll take proto on my team any day of the week and we'll mop the floor with you all over the objective.

SoLJae ZionTCD Legacy Rising 351	Posted - 2012.08.11 14:59:00 - [41] - Quote JonnyAugust wrote: But seriously, how can we even critique these things when the hit detection problems don't even merit a serious post in the patch notes? MOAR BLACK OP TANKS! You know why there is no mention of "hit detection problems" in the patch notes Jonny boy? It's because CCP realizes that it is NOT a problem but rather a figment of your imagination..lol Also, to all the posters in this thread that are bashing xprotoman, please realize this fact: protoman would beat all of ur a$$es on the battlefield. I would bet my Aurum on it! You might want to listen to what he says, as the best players have alot of valuable insight to offer.
JonnyAugust Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 212	Posted - 2012.08.11 15:04:00 - [42] - Quote SoLJae wrote: JonnyAugust wrote: But seriously, how can we even critique these things when the hit detection problems don't even merit a serious post in the patch notes? MOAR BLACK OP TANKS! You know why there is no mention of "hit detection problems" in the patch notes Jonny boy? It's because CCP realizes that it is NOT a problem but rather a figment of your imagination..lol Also, to all the posters in this thread that are bashing xprotoman, please realize this fact: protoman would beat all of ur a$$es on the battlefield. I would bet my Aurum on it! You might want to listen to what he says, as the best players have alot of valuable insight to offer. unlike you.
Hollow Ling Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 32	Posted - 2012.08.11 15:12:00 - [43] - Quote JonnyAugust wrote: Hollow Ling wrote: KDR+objective based game.......does not compute proto error error I'll take proto on my team any day of the week and we'll mop the floor with you all over the objective. Killing wise proto obviously out classes most of us but with grouping thing should get interesting with team play then thing should get really fun for our corps/clans.
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2283	Posted - 2012.08.11 15:14:00 - [44] - Quote dude said there is no hit detection problems....lol if this is the kinda delusional feedback ppl giving then smh not even sure if dude is srs tbh.....
KryptixX Imperfects Negative-Feedback 321	Posted - 2012.08.11 15:14:00 - [45] - Quote SoLJae wrote: JonnyAugust wrote: But seriously, how can we even critique these things when the hit detection problems don't even merit a serious post in the patch notes? MOAR BLACK OP TANKS! You know why there is no mention of "hit detection problems" in the patch notes Jonny boy? It's because CCP realizes that it is NOT a problem but rather a figment of your imagination..lol Also, to all the posters in this thread that are bashing xprotoman, please realize this fact: protoman would beat all of ur a$$es on the battlefield. I would bet my Aurum on it! You might want to listen to what he says, as the best players have alot of valuable insight to offer. couldnt quite catch that with protomans balls in your mouth..
ONS TheReaper545 42	Posted - 2012.08.11 15:45:00 - [46] - Quote The gun sucked anyway I used it and instantly hated it. I feel the gun was hyped for the start with everyone using it and it doesn't even have decent dps to begin with maybe next build you might actually find the true king of gun's the Stormside Roden. .
howard sanchez Conspiratus Immortalis 448	Posted - 2012.08.11 15:49:00 - [47] - Quote xprotoman23 wrote: Not going to bother writing anything more on the issue. HMG's getting un-nerfed and SMG's getting an increase in effective range. if anything CCP should have added more ammo to the standard assault rifles turned the burst AR into the Halo battle-rifle or R2/R3 Marksman COD M16 Proto, if you were to build a video game with multiple weapon systems wouldn't you be pleased if all of your systems got used...not absolutely equally... but with some semblance of equal distribution? If say, for example, 70% of your gamers used ONE weapon system wouldn't that make you wonder if it might be unbalanced? hmm? no? balance keep seeking it
Elrick Mercer 23	Posted - 2012.08.11 16:10:00 - [48] - Quote howard sanchez wrote: xprotoman23 wrote: Not going to bother writing anything more on the issue. HMG's getting un-nerfed and SMG's getting an increase in effective range. if anything CCP should have added more ammo to the standard assault rifles turned the burst AR into the Halo battle-rifle or R2/R3 Marksman COD M16 Proto, if you were to build a video game with multiple weapon systems wouldn't you be pleased if all of your systems got used...not absolutely equally... but with some semblance of equal distribution? If say, for example, 70% of your gamers used ONE weapon system wouldn't that make you wonder if it might be unbalanced? hmm? no? balance keep seeking it Umm I thought people were preaching perfect imbalance 2 weeks ago now you want people to use all weapons? Not only does CCP not know what they want but the forums are just as ****** up as they are!
xprotoman23 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1452	Posted - 2012.08.11 16:51:00 - [49] - Quote Elrick Mercer wrote: howard sanchez wrote: xprotoman23 wrote: Not going to bother writing anything more on the issue. HMG's getting un-nerfed and SMG's getting an increase in effective range. if anything CCP should have added more ammo to the standard assault rifles turned the burst AR into the Halo battle-rifle or R2/R3 Marksman COD M16 Proto, if you were to build a video game with multiple weapon systems wouldn't you be pleased if all of your systems got used...not absolutely equally... but with some semblance of equal distribution? If say, for example, 70% of your gamers used ONE weapon system wouldn't that make you wonder if it might be unbalanced? hmm? no? balance keep seeking it Umm I thought people were preaching perfect imbalance 2 weeks ago now you want people to use all weapons? Not only does CCP not know what they want but the forums are just as ****** up as they are! Perfect imbalance is the EVE way [:lol: ]
howard sanchez Conspiratus Immortalis 448	Posted - 2012.08.11 16:56:00 - [50] - Quote Where were people preaching perfect imbalance? WTF is that anyway? You mean like: ROSHAMBO? yes, that's kinda perfect imbalance. But if you build a game like that and no one uses scissors and the vast majority use rock then...you don't have perfect imbalance.

xprotoman23 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1452	Posted - 2012.08.11 17:03:00 - [51] - Quote howard sanchez wrote: Where were people preaching perfect imbalance? WTF is that anyway? You mean like: ROSHAMBO? yes, that's kinda perfect imbalance. But if you build a game like that and no one uses scissors and the vast majority use rock then...you don't have perfect imbalance. Breach weapons are over used. Rather than nerfing the breach AR CCP SHOULD have buffed the other rifles and made them more worth while. Standard assault rifles run out of ammo too fast Burst rifle needs to be a three round burst carbon copy Battlerifle from halo/resistance
Ten-Sidhe Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 414	Posted - 2012.08.11 17:55:00 - [52] - Quote Breach has highest damage per magazine(reason I started using breech smg, tired of getting killed by nearly dead enemy while reloading.)assualt/burst the highest per second. The tactical has longest range with new build. The smg's range boost won't make much difference, if I engage on the longer side of it's range now I die as a scout(speed is no defense at that range). Only time range will get used is to reach slighlty higher dropships. Forge gunners have mor4e range on sidearm. I don't see a little range affecting choice for assualts, ar unless putting something else in light, higher skill level in smg then ar, or cqc/anti-scout fit being only reason to take smg over ar. I agree smg didn't need a buff, buff just seems like it won't matter to me. The breach ar damage nerf will be small I hope, they were better but not by much. 2-3damage maybe, again, hope they don't over do it.
Spazzeh BHD Better Hide R Die 16	Posted - 2012.08.11 18:22:00 - [53] - Quote crazy space wrote: you haven't even seen the new build yet, stop being such a baby wait until you see what it's like now. also it's not a nerf if the game isn't released yet, they didn't HAVE to let us test the game. Be grateful you even got to play when the game wasn't finished yet. tbh, it's a game when you are able to pay to play it.
xprotoman23 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1452	Posted - 2012.08.16 20:04:00 - [54] - Quote xprotoman23 wrote: I never thought it could get any worse than Scott Rudi, but CCP have proven me wrong [:8) ==================================================================================================== Lets hold down R1 and snipe people with HMG's now yay Lets hold down R1 and snipe people with SMG's now yay Lets get killed by Forge guns again like in replication Lets add even more RBS to the breach weapons Lets nerf the effective range of the assault rifles so "sniper ghost warrior1122099" can kill you head glitching up in a mountain Lets nerf the damage the damage on the assault rifles, because people were getting killed too fast Lets continue to cater this game to people who have little to no gun game whatsoever Lets continue to say everything is all fine and dandy when this game lacks any type of foundation in terms of shooter mechanics Lets run around with 4 man squads and continue to have the same retards who have been worthless the past several builds continue to be worthless Lets completely forget about this game being an FPS ==================================================================================================== The effective range of assault rifles have been nerfed The damage of the creodron has been nerfed All Assault rifles still feel like crap ==================================================================================================== Proto-gods fix for AR's in DUST 514 1. change damage levels back to E3/replication 2. change effective range back to E3/replication 3. Add more ammo capacity to the standard AR 4. Change the Burst rifle to a 3 shot burst ==================================================================================================== Classic thread
PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 781	Posted - 2012.08.16 20:11:00 - [55] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: dude said there is no hit detection problems....lol if this is the kinda delusional feedback ppl giving then smh not even sure if dude is srs tbh..... oh hes def. srs. SPR SRS
SILENTSAM 69 Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 421	Posted - 2012.08.16 20:18:00 - [56] - Quote Funny to see who is crying about the guns getting fixed... There are other gun variants besides the breach variants. Now more people will try other variants and find what works for them. I already changed to assault SMG instead of breach. I love seeing these kind of tears. Please someone post and cry about me being wrong.
EnIgMa99 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 219	Posted - 2012.08.16 20:22:00 - [57] - Quote xprotoman23 wrote: I never thought it could get any worse than Scott Rudi, but CCP have proven me wrong [:8) ==================================================================================================== Lets hold down R1 and snipe people with HMG's now yay Lets hold down R1 and snipe people with SMG's now yay Lets get killed by Forge guns again like in replication Lets add even more RBS to the breach weapons Lets nerf the effective range of the assault rifles so "sniper ghost warrior1122099" can kill you head glitching up in a mountain Lets nerf the damage the damage on the assault rifles, because people were getting killed too fast Lets continue to cater this game to people who have little to no gun game whatsoever Lets continue to say everything is all fine and dandy when this game lacks any type of foundation in terms of shooter mechanics Lets run around with 4 man squads and continue to have the same retards who have been worthless the past several builds continue to be worthless Lets completely forget about this game being an FPS ==================================================================================================== The effective range of assault rifles have been nerfed The damage of the creodron has been nerfed All Assault rifles still feel like crap ==================================================================================================== Proto-gods fix for AR's in DUST 514 1. change damage levels back to E3/replication 2. change effective range back to E3/replication 3. Add more ammo capacity to the standard AR 4. Change the Burst rifle to a 3 shot burst ==================================================================================================== i sense tears
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 808	Posted - 2012.08.16 20:53:00 - [58] - Quote EnIgMa99 wrote: xprotoman23 wrote: I never thought it could get any worse than Scott Rudi, but CCP have proven me wrong [:8) ==================================================================================================== Lets hold down R1 and snipe people with HMG's now yay Lets hold down R1 and snipe people with SMG's now yay Lets get killed by Forge guns again like in replication Lets add even more RBS to the breach weapons Lets nerf the effective range of the assault rifles so "sniper ghost warrior1122099" can kill you head glitching up in a mountain Lets nerf the damage the damage on the assault rifles, because people were getting killed too fast Lets continue to cater this game to people who have little to no gun game whatsoever Lets continue to say everything is all fine and dandy when this game lacks any type of foundation in terms of shooter mechanics Lets run around with 4 man squads and continue to have the same retards who have been worthless the past several builds continue to be worthless Lets completely forget about this game being an FPS ==================================================================================================== The effective range of assault rifles have been nerfed The damage of the creodron has been nerfed All Assault rifles still feel like crap ==================================================================================================== Proto-gods fix for AR's in DUST 514 1. change damage levels back to E3/replication 2. change effective range back to E3/replication 3. Add more ammo capacity to the standard AR 4. Change the Burst rifle to a 3 shot burst ==================================================================================================== i sense tears Nice, proto tears. My surya runs on noob tears and his tears are high octane.
xprotoman23 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1452	Posted - 2012.08.16 21:20:00 - [59] - Quote PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE wrote: Mavado V Noriega wrote: dude said there is no hit detection problems....lol if this is the kinda delusional feedback ppl giving then smh not even sure if dude is srs tbh..... oh hes def. srs. SPR SRS SPR SPR SRS


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