DUST Search - The So Called Problem With Hit Detection Is A Myth

Iceyburnz wrote:

SoLJae wrote:

I hear a lot of people whine about this issue and personally after playing for 3 months, I have NEVER experienced it.

I shoot at people and they Die.
People shoot at me and I Die.

I think people forget that other players are beefed up with modules and skills and that it might take many "shots" to bring them down.

They are registering, it just takes a lot of shots to kill.

And then again some players (they are the last to know) are just bad shots. They "think" they are hitting when in fact they ARE NOT.

CCP, please don't tamper with this so called problem of hit detection, as it is a MYTH.

I resent your post.

Ive fired 4 mass driver shots into a heavy with the projectile animation hitting the body. No explosion, no damage.

As a scout Ive shot an assault suit guy with a proto sniper rifle and a 10% damage mod nearly 10 times with no effect.

Ive had several encounters where people have tried to shoot me and emptied entire clips into me and I haven't moved and I took no damage.

Its not a myth, because Ive experienced. I have no reason to lie.

Your post is the poison that will kill this game. Please stop.

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JonnyAugust Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 212	Posted - 2012.08.11 01:21:00 - [31] - Quote SoLJae wrote: J'Jor Da'Wg wrote: SoLJae wrote: I hear a lot of people whine about this issue and personally after playing for 3 months, I have NEVER experienced it. I shoot at people and they Die. People shoot at me and I Die. I think people forget that other players are beefed up with modules and skills and that it might take many "shots" to bring them down. They are registering, it just takes a lot of shots to kill. And then again some players (they are the last to know) are just bad shots. They "think" they are hitting when in fact they ARE NOT. CCP, please don't tamper with this so called problem of hit detection, as it is a MYTH. OMG I thought he was joking at first... No..? ..Oh dear, someone please help this man. Just tryin to lead y'all from the darkness of your delusions to the light of truth. Such is the burden and the cross to bear of all great visionaries and good aimers. Delusional from your fanboyishness.
MrFancyMonocle Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 6	Posted - 2012.08.11 01:23:00 - [32] - Quote It's just feeding the troll at this point. Aside from all this, I was jaded by the hit detection when I first tried this game because my expectations were so high (I've been following since DUST was first announced), reminded myself that it was beta, and marched on because this game has so much potential and devs have acknowledged these known issues. Also PS: thank you, thank you, thank you for removing all sway from sniper rifles after a shot. And, even though I wasn't going to say anything about it, thank you for adding randomness to the initial scope sway because I had already realized how easily I was going to be able to compensate for it once KB&M support was added.
Ekalb91 Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.08.11 02:04:00 - [33] - Quote As a dedicated scout/sniper I haven't had much issue with hit detection, althought I've certainly had shots that I felt should have hit, but most of these were at moving targets and I attribute it either to a failure to compensate properly on my part, or latency issues. The bigger problem for me has been the collision lines of objects not matching up with the visual model, causing me to hit them and not my target.
Arceus Evoxazon Hikahotaru 119	Posted - 2012.08.11 02:20:00 - [34] - Quote Guys, I never have an issue with hit detection. RE always hit. What's the problem bro?
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.08.11 02:28:00 - [35] - Quote JonnyAugust wrote: The people who say there is no hit detection problems either can't aim or camp tanks all day. Your opinions are invalid to those of us who understand weapon mechanics, recoil, RBS, lazy developers, pull, vertical and horizontal kick, crouching modifiers, ADS modifiers , hip fire modifiers, bullet drop (or lack thereof) , bad/good AR design, latency issues and lag, server side and client side hit detection. Tldr:: sit down. lol @ lazy developers. CCP is probably more excited about Dust than you are, they are trying so hard to get all the coolest bits in, that they at times miss some off the smaller important bits. I will say that there are some things I would like to see fixed before we see tons of new content, but I wont really complain unless these things aren't fixed by the time the game launches. Hit detection is largely an issue with the crappy test servers we are on right now, and some other things need tweaking. But in my experience I would say Dust already plays just as well or better than CoD or BF - both games feel very unrefined to me.
Surtur Reaperson Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 49	Posted - 2012.08.11 02:48:00 - [36] - Quote KryptixX wrote: i'm a "we" hit detection is clearly off, not to the extent as last build and i'm sure more than the next build This
JonnyAugust Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION 212	Posted - 2012.08.11 03:01:00 - [37] - Quote Surtur Reaperson wrote: KryptixX wrote: i'm a "we" hit detection is clearly off, not to the extent as last build and i'm sure more than the next build This This
Pvt Nsidia 1	Posted - 2012.08.11 03:35:00 - [38] - Quote carl von oppenheimer wrote: Benjamin Hellios wrote: It's not hit detection but last night I was a tank gunner, aimed at an enemy, missile came out at a 30 degree angle going any which way except where I was aiming, what's up with that? A lot of times projectiles also seem to disappear into thin air. It's bug with moving vehicles if the vehicle is standing still you shoot where you aim, if the tank moves you shoot all over place so just spam like no tomorrow and how you hit something. Edit: Not sure if we have optimal and fall off in the game but from the looking at skills we have optimal at least. Fall off = 2x optimal range and 1/2 damage, roughly ... Actual EVE hit formula is here but unless I'm mistaken dust uses a more simplified formula. dang i've heard of damage formulas but this one is just crazy!
Arceus Evoxazon Hikahotaru 119	Posted - 2012.08.11 03:42:00 - [39] - Quote JonnyAugust wrote: Surtur Reaperson wrote: KryptixX wrote: i'm a "we" hit detection is clearly off, not to the extent as last build and i'm sure more than the next build This This These.
Sniper no Sniping Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 21	Posted - 2012.08.11 04:31:00 - [40] - Quote Arceus Evoxazon wrote: JonnyAugust wrote: Surtur Reaperson wrote: KryptixX wrote: i'm a "we" hit detection is clearly off, not to the extent as last build and i'm sure more than the next build This This These. ^Those

Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2283	Posted - 2012.08.11 04:54:00 - [41] - Quote Mike Gunnzito wrote: Not sure what kind of drugs the OP is on, but I'd love some! It is well documented. The hit detection is "questionable" at best. Earlier builds it was flat out HORRIFIC. Now, it's much improved, but still not good. Particularly for a game that CCP wants to be considered a AAA FPS (among other things) yeaa......not even gonna bother typin out a long answer to the OP tbh...obv on drugs
Hollow Ling Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 32	Posted - 2012.08.11 05:01:00 - [42] - Quote As someone who uses forge guns I can say there is a problem with hit ditection mostly at times where I aim at a tank point blank and the shot doesn't register.
carl von oppenheimer Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 158	Posted - 2012.08.13 12:03:00 - [43] - Quote Pvt Nsidia wrote: dang i've heard of damage formulas but this one is just crazy! This presentation will hopefully clear things for you a bit; those calculations in the presentation are not entirely correct as things have been adjusted over the years but principles have remained the same.
Gauder Berwyck Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION 217	Posted - 2012.08.13 12:12:00 - [44] - Quote Benjamin Hellios wrote: carl von oppenheimer wrote: Benjamin Hellios wrote: It's not hit detection but last night I was a tank gunner, aimed at an enemy, missile came out at a 30 degree angle going any which way except where I was aiming, what's up with that? A lot of times projectiles also seem to disappear into thin air. It's bug with moving vehicles if the vehicle is standing still you shoot where you aim, if the tank moves you shoot all over place so just spam like no tomorrow and how you hit something. That's the problem, it was standing still. I'm just thinking I need to upgrade turret skills or something. I could be wrong about this but I think it's kind of weird you should get a skill just to prevent bullets from coming out of your gun sideways, unless it has nothing to do with that and it's just some kind of lag issue. Despite that it was the best game I had so far, made more SP and ISK gunning and hacking than I usually do in an entire evening on foot, so I guess I can't complain. I have noticed that the upper tier missile launchers are more precise than lower tier ones, even on the move. I also THINK I notice a difference when it comes to getting assist from my gunners as well. I seem to get more WP with a proto small missile launcher installed on my tank, than a standard version.
carl von oppenheimer Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 158	Posted - 2012.08.13 12:19:00 - [45] - Quote Small missile launchers have different stats with proto obviously doing the most damage, large ones however show all having the same stats with different fitting requirements and testing seems to have confirmed that. That is better smalls aren't more precise to aim but they do have larger splash radius which obviously means that you get more hits.
Alldin Kan Imperfects Negative-Feedback 169	Posted - 2012.08.13 13:35:00 - [46] - Quote SoLJae wrote: I hear a lot of people whine about this issue and personally after playing for 3 months, I have NEVER experienced it. I shoot at people and they Die. People shoot at me and I Die. I think people forget that other players are beefed up with modules and skills and that it might take many "shots" to bring them down. They are registering, it just takes a lot of shots to kill. And then again some players (they are the last to know) are just bad shots. They "think" they are hitting when in fact they ARE NOT. CCP, please don't tamper with this so called problem of hit detection, as it is a MYTH. Not sure if trolling or has never played on 3.5 Mb down speed...
SoLJae ZionTCD Legacy Rising 351	Posted - 2012.08.13 13:39:00 - [47] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: SoLJae wrote: I hear a lot of people whine about this issue and personally after playing for 3 months, I have NEVER experienced it. I shoot at people and they Die. People shoot at me and I Die. I think people forget that other players are beefed up with modules and skills and that it might take many "shots" to bring them down. They are registering, it just takes a lot of shots to kill. And then again some players (they are the last to know) are just bad shots. They "think" they are hitting when in fact they ARE NOT. CCP, please don't tamper with this so called problem of hit detection, as it is a MYTH. Not sure if trolling or has never played on 3.5 Mb down speed... Hey, thanks for the BUMP. I was sure that this thread had died a long time ago!
Grimm Trip Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 12	Posted - 2012.08.13 13:46:00 - [48] - Quote SoLJae wrote: I hear a lot of people whine about this issue and personally after playing for 3 months, I have NEVER experienced it. I shoot at people and they Die. People shoot at me and I Die. I think people forget that other players are beefed up with modules and skills and that it might take many "shots" to bring them down. They are registering, it just takes a lot of shots to kill. And then again some players (they are the last to know) are just bad shots. They "think" they are hitting when in fact they ARE NOT. CCP, please don't tamper with this so called problem of hit detection, as it is a MYTH. I've shot a lot of scout suits standing still in center mass or hips and theres been no hit registered. There IS a problem with hit detection.
SoLJae ZionTCD Legacy Rising 351	Posted - 2012.08.13 13:50:00 - [49] - Quote Is that why you are so Grimm???
Iceyburnz 316	Posted - 2012.08.13 13:51:00 - [50] - Quote SoLJae wrote: I hear a lot of people whine about this issue and personally after playing for 3 months, I have NEVER experienced it. I shoot at people and they Die. People shoot at me and I Die. I think people forget that other players are beefed up with modules and skills and that it might take many "shots" to bring them down. They are registering, it just takes a lot of shots to kill. And then again some players (they are the last to know) are just bad shots. They "think" they are hitting when in fact they ARE NOT. CCP, please don't tamper with this so called problem of hit detection, as it is a MYTH. I resent your post. Ive fired 4 mass driver shots into a heavy with the projectile animation hitting the body. No explosion, no damage. As a scout Ive shot an assault suit guy with a proto sniper rifle and a 10% damage mod nearly 10 times with no effect. Ive had several encounters where people have tried to shoot me and emptied entire clips into me and I haven't moved and I took no damage. Its not a myth, because Ive experienced. I have no reason to lie. Your post is the poison that will kill this game. Please stop.

SoLJae ZionTCD Legacy Rising 351	Posted - 2012.08.13 14:05:00 - [51] - Quote Iceyburnz wrote: SoLJae wrote: I hear a lot of people whine about this issue and personally after playing for 3 months, I have NEVER experienced it. I shoot at people and they Die. People shoot at me and I Die. I think people forget that other players are beefed up with modules and skills and that it might take many "shots" to bring them down. They are registering, it just takes a lot of shots to kill. And then again some players (they are the last to know) are just bad shots. They "think" they are hitting when in fact they ARE NOT. CCP, please don't tamper with this so called problem of hit detection, as it is a MYTH. I resent your post. Ive fired 4 mass driver shots into a heavy with the projectile animation hitting the body. No explosion, no damage. As a scout Ive shot an assault suit guy with a proto sniper rifle and a 10% damage mod nearly 10 times with no effect. Ive had several encounters where people have tried to shoot me and emptied entire clips into me and I haven't moved and I took no damage. Its not a myth, because Ive experienced. I have no reason to lie. Your post is the poison that will kill this game. Please stop. OMG....lol Stop what, Icey? Expressing my opinion? You take yourself and a game wayyy to seriously my friend. "poisoning the game" HaHaHa I have never experienced this "hit detection problem." I stand by my posts. Sorry, they have inspired such vitriol in you guys, but you need to learn that not everyone has the same opinion as you.
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2283	Posted - 2012.08.13 14:16:00 - [52] - Quote OP is either ******** or trolling /thread
Surtur Reaperson Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 49	Posted - 2012.08.13 14:56:00 - [53] - Quote OP's intelligence is a myth... just saying
Arborius Veredus 31	Posted - 2012.08.13 14:56:00 - [54] - Quote OP is clearly an idiot,. because CCP themselves have admitted that the game has hit detection problems.
Alshadow Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 71	Posted - 2012.08.13 15:03:00 - [55] - Quote no there is definantly some issues with hit detection, and they are most obvious when firin at a stationary un manned vehicles with a fully automatic weapon..... i will say tho, they are not that common and i wouldnt go on a rant about hit detection, CCP knows whats up and theyre doin a damn good job fixin it so far, i dont know if youve ever made a video game before so you cant complain about how fast they fix these problems
Boxoffire Lost-Legion 47	Posted - 2012.08.13 15:08:00 - [56] - Quote I've been having a lot of problems with hit detection. Sometimes I miss and get a little 'x' on my screen. Sometimes I hit them and I do no damage, and I know I'm hittin them because of the sparks that come off of enemies when you hit them. Also sometimes I hit them, the sparks do come out but no 'x'. Not sure if hitting them unit they get closer and I can see from the health bar that they were getting hit. So ye there is a definite problem with the hit detection.


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