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Zeran Haggai
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.10 22:25:00 -
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Adduuuh wrote:A forge gun (a weap 1/5th in size and should be reflective amount of damage) starts at 2k and peaks easily at 2.5k - more than a fully loaded out tank. And their bullets frequently become invisible. And the shooter is harder to find. And they shoot faster than a railgun. So should a single person be able to easily take out 3 people in 6-8 seconds? Less time than it takes for a tank to start moving and go 4-5 yards? I think not. Sniper rifles with all speed head-shots aren't even this efficient unless they're only hitting militia dropsuits. So I'd understand if this was only with mitia tanks. But it's not.
A proto assault Forge starts at 1.5k. If you max out Weapon skill and Forge Proficiency that would put you at 2100. If you stack 3 complex damage mods you could get it up to 2.55k, but i can't imagine you'll have room for much survivability or a decent side arm, which mean's you might as well lay down and die when anyone in an assault or scout suit see's you. I fought a Sag yesterday in ambush that ate 5 of my forge rounds without his repper up, i had to fire 2 more before that to bait him into activating it so i could wait out the timer and kill him so 7 rounds total, and the only reason he died was because he did a crappy job of getting his tank behind cover. I pumped near half my total ammo into it, and if i didn't know wtf i was doing could have used a lot more and probably still not killed him. Tanks are fine, AV weaponry is fine, both do their jobs well.
Edit: Also don't takn rail guns have a much more significant splash damage? I don't have a tank fit so i don't know numbers off the top of my head, but misses with a tank rail seem to hurt a lot. |
Zeran Haggai
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
196
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Posted - 2012.08.11 03:01:00 -
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Adduuuh wrote:Maybe why I'm taking so much damage is something bugging on me then? If so *tears*.... Also, all but one (the best) railgun have 150 splash damage, the best one has 350 - so unless the player maxed out all those turret skills, their railguns won't do much splash damage. So missing definitely hurts alot until you're as accurate as me 
My best guess is you're just getting hit by multiple forge guns most of the time. Ever since we got that first free 1mil SP pretty much everyone has an AV fit with a swarm or a forge and as soon as a tank shows up everyone takes them out. With the way registering shield/armor damage often seems to have a delay if they are attacking close enough together it could seem like one attack.
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Zeran Haggai
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
196
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Posted - 2012.08.12 02:29:00 -
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Adduuuh wrote:Zeran Haggai wrote:
My best guess is you're just getting hit by multiple forge guns most of the time. Ever since we got that first free 1mil SP pretty much everyone has an AV fit with a swarm or a forge and as soon as a tank shows up everyone takes them out. With the way registering shield/armor damage often seems to have a delay if they are attacking close enough together it could seem like one attack.
I know and it's possible, but a small handheld weapon should be at least somewhat weaker than fully loaded out, heavily armored vehicles.  Should be: Railgun>Forge Gun. Ya know, seeing as how Blaster>AR and Rocket Pods>Swarms?
You're thinking too one dimensionally i think. The damage between the two is nearly identical. The main difference between a heavy carrying a forge, and a tank mounted rail gun, is accuracy. You can zoom on a target and as long as you have your sights lined up you're going to hit what you're aiming at because there is no shake or recoil when you fire. You also have unlimited ammunition. The disparity in accuracy is going to become even more apparent, i think, in the next build because i'm fairly certain a lot of the dead on hits we get on infantry with the FG currently are due to aim assist grabbing the shot. Even if the rail isn't higher in raw damage by some negligible amount, it's certainly greater than the forge in terms of overall effectiveness on the battlefield. |
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