DUST Search - Logic for the SP nonwipe/reset

lDocHollidayl wrote:

Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:

lDocHollidayl wrote:

Beta away totally understand...but can I get some SP? No one is testing the low level stuff because they skill past it. (for the most part) The lack of SP just creates the grinding game imo.

Liar.
In case I was unclear.
Bullshit!!

All I do is run around in low level stuff i.e. militia dropsuits/mods militia forge gun/basic forge gun with the only semi good weapon being a SIDEARM.

And most of the time if its 1 v 1 I get to kill and sometimes even 1 v2 or 3 and I still get to say nice creodon ar there buddy enjoy the respawn.

Yes I do die when someones in full proto or if theres two of them versus me.
Crosscoms are fun when I hear someone upset that they lost a protosuit to a guy in militia.

Bring on! the resets!!!

Can not believe I am responding...lol. I bet you kill tanks too? You do not kill protos with your militia gear. I have never seen you and I could not find on leader boards. But please...go away. The only way you will kill a proto is when they spawn and leave the room to answer the phone. Let the grown ups talk.

You sound like the Doc Holliday from PPH in MAG that I killed with a sidearm??

Anywho pick a time and server.
aiptekfanboy PSN tag.

Update me and two other forge gunners just killed three sagaris tanks in one match.
L5 skilled sidearms in a militia suit will kill a proto in CQC.
I know we need updates...just give me some SP back.

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Chihiro Itto 66	Posted - 2012.08.03 18:32:00 - [31] - Quote Mavado V Noriega wrote: NO NO NO worst thing CCP is doing right now is letting a bunch of randoms in to "test" with these weekend passes ppl judge the game based on what they see , console peeps dont know the full extent of a closed beta or acknowledge the "work in progress" we are accustomed to open betas basically demos being passed off as betas showing a pretty much retail version of the game and when u have ppl with that mindset coming into this stage its BAD , word of mouth does alot of damage i have stopped giving ppl weekend passes because they tell me "the game is crap, this game sucks, has potential but no party system and too boring" these are turn offs CCP should stop inviting all these randoms till they have something GOOD and POLISHED to show off ...which would be at the point of the new build arriving, presumably at the same point as the wipe and server switch happens, making it at least better and more polished when new players arrived. Capisce? You have a point about new players, but the alternative is... what? Would you prefer the beta stays populated by a couple of hundred players a night until launch? I'm not convinced that will represent a proper test of the game, which is the point of a beta, right? None of this relates to your point about SP however, which sounds moot anyway; there may be multiple reasons why a wipe is necessary, most of which we can only speculate on, but ultimately if CCP think it's required then that's what is going to happen. If it makes the game better and more polished in the long run then that's a win.
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1170	Posted - 2012.08.03 18:39:00 - [32] - Quote My personal opinion: Starting at 0 is a waste of time. Give us enough SP to get decent skills in one item before we even enter the battlefield. I would personally suggest 2M SP plus any bonus SP accumulated throughout the beta. So most of us should start with 4M unspent SP, if not more. Then we can burn through alts and quickly test a multitude of things. Having to skill one profile up to do everything is incredibly time intensive and not practical for a majority of the testers.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.08.03 18:40:00 - [33] - Quote I say no wipe we need to simulate the discourse of an aged player base vs newer players
Kira Lannister Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 711	Posted - 2012.08.03 18:42:00 - [34] - Quote Honesty the true skill is how you move your thumbs and fingers! They can never take that away from us!
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1170	Posted - 2012.08.03 18:45:00 - [35] - Quote Kira Lannister wrote: Honesty the true skill is how you move your thumbs and fingers! They can never take that away from us! Agreed, but certain playstyles are downright impossible until a certain SP threshold.
Sojuro Ryo Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 189	Posted - 2012.08.03 18:55:00 - [36] - Quote They already stated the reason is because they are moving everything to the Eve Sisi server. For those that do not know, Sisi is Eve's test server.
RolyatDerTeufel D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION 1648	Posted - 2012.08.03 19:02:00 - [37] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: You're forgetting one major point. It's a beta..... And sometimes they don't have a choice. Also, when changing stats on standard weapons and equipment , you need to have those tested. If people keep their SP\ISk why would they ? Wipes have a good reason to happen. And it's fine. And so you're prepared. this one wont be the last. Right after Caz posted this great point someone had to cry about "beta" Honestly if people choose not to login and play that's on them. After a wipe is perfect time to play. First day of this build, we went from militia gear to seeing proto AR's within first 12 hours of constant play. Are those people here to play or here to test development?
Vane KoS Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 30	Posted - 2012.08.03 19:19:00 - [38] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: You're forgetting one major point. It's a beta..... And sometimes they don't have a choice. Also, when changing stats on standard weapons and equipment , you need to have those tested. If people keep their SP\ISk why would they ? Wipes have a good reason to happen. And it's fine. And so you're prepared. this one wont be the last. QFT
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 401	Posted - 2012.08.03 22:21:00 - [39] - Quote lDocHollidayl wrote: Beta away totally understand...but can I get some SP? No one is testing the low level stuff because they skill past it. (for the most part) The lack of SP just creates the grinding game imo. Liar. In case I was unclear. Bullshit!! All I do is run around in low level stuff i.e. militia dropsuits/mods militia forge gun/basic forge gun with the only semi good weapon being a SIDEARM. And most of the time if its 1 v 1 I get to kill and sometimes even 1 v2 or 3 and I still get to say nice creodon ar there buddy enjoy the respawn. Yes I do die when someones in full proto or if theres two of them versus me. Crosscoms are fun when I hear someone upset that they lost a protosuit to a guy in militia. Bring on! the resets!!!
Kyy Seiska Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 188	Posted - 2012.08.03 22:34:00 - [40] - Quote I don't any Sp/skill wipe is necessary until the game enters open beta. having to grind back to the top will just hinder the closed beta testing. But when the game actually goes open beta where everyone who wants to play can just download the client and play, then all the SP should be wiped. If not, newbies will form some sort of hate club against beta testers who are constantly blasting their brains to the wall with prototype gear of awesomeness. Vanity items and maybe some other "LOOK AT ME I WAS IN DA BETAH" items are fine as reward, but nothing else isn't really needed.

Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1170	Posted - 2012.08.03 22:39:00 - [41] - Quote Well next patch changes some huge things. KBM. Grouping. Orbital strikes (or at least the feasibility due to Sisi). I'm OK with a reset, but I see no point starting at 0 SP. That hinders the testing process by delaying real testing to 10 game hours in.
Sandromin Hes Sand Mercenary Corps Inc. 204	Posted - 2012.08.03 22:54:00 - [42] - Quote every time a new build comes out, they tend to tweak everything from the last build, and introduce it in the new build... they need people to test and retest and test new things and etc etc etc.
lDocHollidayl Imperfects Negative-Feedback 171	Posted - 2012.08.04 01:21:00 - [43] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: lDocHollidayl wrote: Beta away totally understand...but can I get some SP? No one is testing the low level stuff because they skill past it. (for the most part) The lack of SP just creates the grinding game imo. Liar. In case I was unclear. Bullshit!! All I do is run around in low level stuff i.e. militia dropsuits/mods militia forge gun/basic forge gun with the only semi good weapon being a SIDEARM. And most of the time if its 1 v 1 I get to kill and sometimes even 1 v2 or 3 and I still get to say nice creodon ar there buddy enjoy the respawn. Yes I do die when someones in full proto or if theres two of them versus me. Crosscoms are fun when I hear someone upset that they lost a protosuit to a guy in militia. Bring on! the resets!!! Can not believe I am responding...lol. I bet you kill tanks too? You do not kill protos with your militia gear. I have never seen you and I could not find on leader boards. But please...go away. The only way you will kill a proto is when they spawn and leave the room to answer the phone. Let the grown ups talk. I know we need updates...just give me some SP back.
MUDMASTEI2 Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 135	Posted - 2012.08.04 01:26:00 - [44] - Quote I told you in your last thread, the game will die because people's first experience will be being smashed by high leveled players.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 401	Posted - 2012.08.04 06:29:00 - [45] - Quote lDocHollidayl wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: lDocHollidayl wrote: Beta away totally understand...but can I get some SP? No one is testing the low level stuff because they skill past it. (for the most part) The lack of SP just creates the grinding game imo. Liar. In case I was unclear. Bullshit!! All I do is run around in low level stuff i.e. militia dropsuits/mods militia forge gun/basic forge gun with the only semi good weapon being a SIDEARM. And most of the time if its 1 v 1 I get to kill and sometimes even 1 v2 or 3 and I still get to say nice creodon ar there buddy enjoy the respawn. Yes I do die when someones in full proto or if theres two of them versus me. Crosscoms are fun when I hear someone upset that they lost a protosuit to a guy in militia. Bring on! the resets!!! Can not believe I am responding...lol. I bet you kill tanks too? You do not kill protos with your militia gear. I have never seen you and I could not find on leader boards. But please...go away. The only way you will kill a proto is when they spawn and leave the room to answer the phone. Let the grown ups talk. You sound like the Doc Holliday from PPH in MAG that I killed with a sidearm?? Anywho pick a time and server. aiptekfanboy PSN tag. Update me and two other forge gunners just killed three sagaris tanks in one match. L5 skilled sidearms in a militia suit will kill a proto in CQC. I know we need updates...just give me some SP back.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 401	Posted - 2012.08.04 06:32:00 - [46] - Quote MUDMASTEI2 wrote: I told you in your last thread, the game will die because people's first experience will be being smashed by high leveled players. Until they learn that some SP into a few skills gets the KDR from .09 to .95 and rising??
MUDMASTEI2 Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 135	Posted - 2012.08.04 06:48:00 - [47] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: MUDMASTEI2 wrote: I told you in your last thread, the game will die because people's first experience will be being smashed by high leveled players. Until they learn that some SP into a few skills gets the KDR from .09 to .95 and rising?? No, they will quit immediately.
Crimson MoonV Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 658	Posted - 2012.08.04 07:27:00 - [48] - Quote MUDMASTEI2 wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: MUDMASTEI2 wrote: I told you in your last thread, the game will die because people's first experience will be being smashed by high leveled players. Until they learn that some SP into a few skills gets the KDR from .09 to .95 and rising?? No, they will quit immediately. Sad but true. I imagine there will be a few smashed controllers once new players start putting an entire clip into a proto heavy, just to get looked at and sneezed on. Release will be an epic lol.


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