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Veigar Mordekaiser
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Posted - 2012.08.01 08:58:00 -
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vermacht Doe wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:vermacht Doe wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:vermacht Doe wrote:I see it beat shotguns easily for a sidearm
Ps shotguns of the same tier I can beat Shotguns when I bring my SMG. And I can beat SMGs when I bring my Shotgun. And I can be beaten by people using both weapons regardless of which one I bring. Shotgun works differently, not better or worse, but it's less suited to being a sidearm. SMGs are fine. Why would an sg be less suited to be a secondary. Relatively low ammo and low rof sounds a lot like a scrambler Until you consider the multi-target possibilities and less reliance on fine aim for damage, and I'm pretty sure the damage potential is higher with the Shotgun. It loses out on effective range and reload spead Also the targets would have to be standing less than a foot away with each other You can 1HK with a shot gun, lets see you do that with an SMG. SMG's are fine as a side arm, however it might be nice to see higher powered or somehow upgraded versions as primary weapons. |
Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.01 09:05:00 -
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dust badger wrote:Veigar Mordekaiser wrote: SMG's are fine as a side arm, however it might be nice to see higher powered or somehow upgraded versions as primary weapons. You mean AR's? :P No, I don't. I mean something like a P90 vs a MAC10.
Edit: AR's don't have the RoF like SMG's do, they aren't CQC weapons. |
Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.01 09:12:00 -
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vermacht Doe wrote:Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:dust badger wrote:Veigar Mordekaiser wrote: SMG's are fine as a side arm, however it might be nice to see higher powered or somehow upgraded versions as primary weapons. You mean AR's? :P No, I don't. I mean something like a P90 vs a MAC10. Edit: AR's don't have the RoF like SMG's do, they aren't CQC weapons. Those are both smgs Yes they are.. But a P90 is much more powerful than a MAC10. That's like saying a Thomson and and M16 are both Assault rifles, while it may be true, they are in a much different class. |
Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.01 09:25:00 -
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vermacht Doe wrote:Wikipedia can tell you how wrong you are. The thompson is an smg and the mac fires a larger round. Did you use cod stats for research?
The Thompson is classified as an SMG? Thats news to me. And as far as I'm aware, the MAC10 is a single-hand weapon, where as the P90 is a shouldered weapon, I think accuracy between the two might be, just slightly... different.
And what "stats" did I list? I don't recall giving out any numbers. I'm making my claims on information I have heard, read, and can manage to remember. My memory is a PoS so excuse me if I get some things wrong. No need to think I'm a "CoD kiddie", I'm not about to confuse anything with CoD, that's just a bunch of BS thrown into a video game, and re-released every year with a new title and cover art... no thanks. |
Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.01 09:52:00 -
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vermacht Doe wrote:Pistols are also one handed but are meant to be fired with both and the mac has a stock so it can also be considered shouldered Hmm, well, I haven't seen a MAC10 with a stock before, but I'm sure you see my point. Just because to weapons have the same label, doesn't make them equals. |
Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.01 09:54:00 -
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GreasyFinger Bumsticker wrote:Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:vermacht Doe wrote:Wikipedia can tell you how wrong you are. The thompson is an smg and the mac fires a larger round. Did you use cod stats for research? The Thompson is classified as an SMG? Thats news to me. And as far as I'm aware, the MAC10 is a single-hand weapon, where as the P90 is a shouldered weapon, I think accuracy between the two might be, just slightly... different. And what "stats" did I list? I don't recall giving out any numbers. I'm making my claims on information I have heard, read, and can manage to remember. My memory is a PoS so excuse me if I get some things wrong. No need to think I'm a "CoD kiddie", I'm not about to confuse anything with CoD, that's just a bunch of BS thrown into a video game, and re-released every year with a new title and cover art... no thanks. LMAO you must be joking.....do you even know why or what the history of a thompson sub machine gun is? LMAO it fires pistol rounds not rifle rounds .45acp pistol rounds lol Read the rest of the thread before you start quoting. I understand when the thread is 5 pages or longer, you don't want to look for the reply, but seriously, if you had read the first post on page 2 you would've seen a response clarifying that I was unaware the Thompson is classified as an SMG. |
Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.01 10:04:00 -
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vermacht Doe wrote:Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:vermacht Doe wrote:Pistols are also one handed but are meant to be fired with both and the mac has a stock so it can also be considered shouldered Hmm, well, I haven't seen a MAC10 with a stock before, but I'm sure you see my point. Just because to weapons have the same label, doesn't make them equals. I do and the stock retracts so that explains why you didn't know Retracts? Into the gun..? That thing is tiny, how could it hold a stock in there? lmao
GreasyFinger Bumsticker wrote:ZZZzzzzZZZZzzzzZZZZzzzz ill point out whatever detail i choose to in your post it so happens i picked the one thats usually common knowledge to most 2 amendment americans but hey not all of us right? I'm all for the 2nd Amendment, and if it gets repealed you can bet your ass I will find myself an illegal fire arm. However I am not old enough to carry a weapon legally, so I have not looked into any weaponry information. And I'm not really that interested in stocking up on high powered weaponry, or researching it in general. I would rather just be able to carry a pistol around.
Not all of us want to have an M16 or something of the like in our possession, or even care to do much research beyond what we pick up from those who do know the information. |
Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.01 10:06:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:I think this link is relevant: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Sub_Machine_CarbineAfter reading the suggestion to Wiki things, I went through Wikipedia's list of SMGs. I'm openly willing to admit I don't know a lot about guns, and didn't bother to read much of that article because I don't care a whole lot about real-world guns in general. A design like that which acts as a high-RoF, CQC focused alternative to ARs would work in DUST though. It's officially, according to the creators, a "Submachine Carbine" to differentiate it from other SMGs. Compare the size to the H&K MP7 if you want to see the difference in size (although stopping power might be another matter - like I said, never read the article). But if you want a real reason why SMGs shouldn't be primary weapons and shotguns should, here's one. I can use a Militia Shotgun against an Advanced Heavy and have them dead before I have to reload. Against the same Heavy with a Militia SMG that has more SPs invested into it, and specifically has a 25% damage bonus that the Shotgun doesn't get, I have to reload at least once before I can get the kill, even when I'm staying close enough to land every hit. At the moment, the whole range of ARs is well-suited to mid-range combat and decent at long-range, but with a focus on precision fire rather than volume of fire, and the whole range of SMGs are very limited in effective range with a focus on insane RoF and CQC viability. Would be nice to have some kind of middle ground - a high-RoF full-automatic primary weapon with CQC and mid-range capabilities, but NOT viable at long-range. Whether they add a new class of weapon (SMC = Submachine Carbine = heavy SMG) or a high-RoF low-accuracy AR that's less viable for long range, I don't care, but it's a gap that I'd quite like to see filled as well. THIS is what I want, though you said it much, much better than I did. |
Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.01 20:28:00 -
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Darkz azurr wrote:i have never been killed by the scrabler pistol as everyone uses a sub machine gun as a secondary, that i have come across. it's weird when many people use a secondary weapon (the smg) as there primary. i never see anyone with a primary as a scrabler pistol. why ? because the smg performs like a primary already. it would need a slight increase in base range if the was changed tho. i personally find it very weird that the smg is a seconday , im assuming there will be 4 pistols at release for each faction. wich i wouldnt use , why use a pistol when i could have another machine gun. When KBM is introduced, you will begin to see a lot of scrambler pistols. I have very literally be 1HK'd by a scrambler pistol before... albeit it was a proto and I was the standard type 2 assault suit. Regardless, those things are very powerful, and very hard to aim with on a DS3 with horrible deadzones. |
Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.01 20:30:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Debacle Nano wrote:They must not be using the shotgun very well then. ^This. SMG is nice, but I can outshoot it easily. A lot of people don't seem to understand that an SMG isn't really that powerful, some people just have good enough aim and evasion to kill swiftly with it. I personally love running around with my SG -and- my SMG, CQC hell for anyone using a forge gun or swarm launcher :D |
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Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.02 03:11:00 -
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I'm so confused, how did this go from a discussion regarding in game weapons, to an information war about real life ballistics? o.o All I did was make a comparison, I seem to have started a war. |
Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.02 03:31:00 -
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Regis Mark V wrote:If SMG's go into the main slot then snipers are ****** in CQC. Making SMG a secondary is good but maybe it should only be for scouts. Or make semi and full auto pistols. That's the only way putting the SMG in the primary only spot reasonable! Or, make variants for the primary slot? It's not like you can't have one without the other.. |
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