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Velexia Ombra
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Posted - 2012.07.30 04:42:00 -
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It's a pain to try and keep track of which equipment / modules / weapons my various fittings share in common... because when one of them runs out, they all run out.
Wouldn't it make more sense if each fitting had it's own stock?
It would make managing multiple fittings much easier. |
Garrett Blacknova
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Posted - 2012.07.30 05:46:00 -
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Check how many of each item you're using in total across all your fittings. Buy each item in multiples of that number.
Problem solved, by simply paying attention to what you're doing.
More hand-holding isn't the answer. |
Velexia Ombra
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Posted - 2012.07.30 07:00:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Check how many of each item you're using in total across all your fittings. Buy each item in multiples of that number.
Problem solved, by simply paying attention to what you're doing.
More hand-holding isn't the answer.
I said it's a pain to manage you half-wit. Not that I don't know HOW to. FFS. Being a jerk on the forums isn't the answer.
...and hand holding? Pff... go back under your rock. |
Garrett Blacknova
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Posted - 2012.07.30 07:09:00 -
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Velexia Ombra wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Check how many of each item you're using in total across all your fittings. Buy each item in multiples of that number.
Problem solved, by simply paying attention to what you're doing.
More hand-holding isn't the answer. I said it's a pain to manage you half-wit. Not that I don't know HOW to. FFS. Being a jerk on the forums isn't the answer. ...and hand holding? Pff... go back under your rock. Well you obviously don't know anything about EVE.
Welcome to New Eden. Good luck. |
Velexia Ombra
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Posted - 2012.07.30 07:17:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:[ Well you obviously don't know anything about EVE.
Welcome to New Eden. Good luck.
You'd better check your crystal ball again, because I know plenty about EVE, welcome to making yourself look like an idiot on the internet.
Actually scratch that last part, it's probably something you are used to.
Now stop trolling my thread, because this is a serious topic. |
Garrett Blacknova
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Posted - 2012.07.30 07:23:00 -
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Velexia Ombra wrote:this is a serious topic. No.
No it isn't.
There's no good reason to do this, and it would cause problems for people who want more freedom to use what we bought when trying to be more careful with our ISK, so it's a bad idea. |
Velexia Ombra
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Posted - 2012.07.30 07:32:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Velexia Ombra wrote:this is a serious topic. No. No it isn't. There's no good reason to do this, and it would cause problems for people who want more freedom to use what we bought when trying to be more careful with our ISK, so it's a bad idea.
I'm pretty sure I get to decide whether or not my topic is serious.
The good reason to do this, is so if I say, specifically choose to restock a specific fitting to a specific number, that I can be guaranteed to have that number of that fitting regardless of what I do with my other fittings. It makes perfect sense. If I don't want to accidentally spend too much of my precious(?) isk, I can, I don't know, not restock a whole fitting, and instead stock whatever specific item I want extra of... for whatever reason.
It is 10x more of a hassle to micromanage an entire list of various fittings, than a single fitting, if not a single item.
Stop trolling my thread. |
Garrett Blacknova
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Posted - 2012.07.30 07:39:00 -
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Velexia Ombra wrote:The good reason to do this, is so if I say, specifically choose to restock a specific fitting to a specific number, that I can be guaranteed to have that number of that fitting regardless of what I do with my other fittings. It makes perfect sense. If I don't want to accidentally spend too much of my precious(?) isk, I can, I don't know, not restock a whole fitting, and instead stock whatever specific item I want extra of... for whatever reason. And the good reason NOT to do it is that if I want to use a fitting with a particular model of SMG that I've only restocked via a specific fitting that also has that SMG on it, and which I've OTHERWISE run out of, I would have to buy more even though I potentially have 50+ of that item in stock.
I'd rather have to do a little bit (and it's ONLY a little bit) of micro-management, and have the game actually let me use all my gear how I want.
If it wasn't going to cause more problems than it solves, I'd say you had a good idea. But it's not a good idea, so I'm telling you that it's not a good idea.
I'm sorry you don't know what trolling is. |
Velexia Ombra
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Posted - 2012.07.30 07:58:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Velexia Ombra wrote:The good reason to do this, is so if I say, specifically choose to restock a specific fitting to a specific number, that I can be guaranteed to have that number of that fitting regardless of what I do with my other fittings. It makes perfect sense. If I don't want to accidentally spend too much of my precious(?) isk, I can, I don't know, not restock a whole fitting, and instead stock whatever specific item I want extra of... for whatever reason. And the good reason NOT to do it is that if I want to use a fitting with a particular model of SMG that I've only restocked via a specific fitting that also has that SMG on it, and which I've OTHERWISE run out of, I would have to buy more even though I potentially have 50+ of that item in stock. I'd rather have to do a little bit (and it's ONLY a little bit) of micro-management, and have the game actually let me use all my gear how I want. If it wasn't going to cause more problems than it solves, I'd say you had a good idea. But it's not a good idea, so I'm telling you that it's not a good idea. I'm sorry you don't know what trolling is.
I understand that you think you are special, and that your opinion matters more than anyone else's, but I have to break it to you, you are full of it.
Your version requires MORE micromanaging, you are just too blindly arrogant to figure that out.
This is your version:
So you have two fittings, they both have the same equipment, except one has an SMG.
You have 50 of each weapon, and 100 of everything else.
Your SMG fitting has run out, you have 50 of everything it needs still, except the SMG. You don't feel like buying more of everything, so you buy 50 more SMGs.
You run out again, and now, BOTH of your fittings are empty (except one has 50 of some other weapon).
Flipside, you have two entirely different fittings that use the same weapon. 100 of each weapon and 50 of everything else. A Scout dropsuit version and a Heavy dropsuit version, say.
The Scout dropsuit runs out of everything but its weapon. You restock it back to 50, the whole setup. Now you have 50 of everything (including the weapon).
You switch to the Heavy dropsuit until it runs out... and now both of your dropsuits are invalid, because they shared the weapon.
This is my version:
So you have two fittings, they both have the same equipment, except one has an SMG.
You have 50 of each weapon, and 100 of everything else.
Your SMG fitting has run out, you restock the whole fitting to 50, done. You are back to where you started. If don't feel like spending the isk, you edit your other fitting to use the SMG, and buy 50 more SMGs. Done.
You run out again, and you restock the whole fitting again, done. Or... BOTH of your fittings are empty because you chose to edit one to use the SMG. You restock the whole fitting. Done.
Flipside, you have two entirely different fittings that use the same weapon. 100 of each weapon and 50 of everything else. A Scout dropsuit version and a Heavy dropsuit version, say.
The Scout dropsuit runs out of everything. You restock the whole fitting back to 50. Done.
You switch to the Heavy dropsuit until it runs out... and you still have 50 of the Scout dropsuit fitting, because you restocked it.
Seems pretty plain, even using only two examples, that the second method is better. It gets even more apparent when you use three examples. I doubt you;ll be able to visualize that one in your head, but I don't feel like typing it all out and holding your hand. You're not worth anymore effort than I have already put in. |
Velexia Ombra
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Posted - 2012.07.30 08:09:00 -
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Where this issue becomes the biggest problem for me is this...
I have three different vehicle fittings at the moment. A tank and two dropships.
The all three use missile launchers. They share the same launchers. Two of them share a damage control unit. A different two share a power grid upgrade. A different two share an armor repairer.
If they each had their own stock, I could just stock all three to 10, and be done with it. Three steps. When one runs out, I just restock the whole fitting.
As it stands, when one runs out, another runs out. Unless I am constantly making sure I have the precise number of each particular item that they have... So I have to restock them all to 10, then go in an restock each item they share to whatever multiple of 10 is needed based upon how many use the same items... It's a pain. |
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Garrett Blacknova
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Posted - 2012.07.30 08:25:00 -
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Lets look closer at those two different fittings that only share a single weapon, shall we?
I restock that fitting which ran out with 50 new guns.
Then the other fitting runs out of the weapon. But I have 50 of the same gun that I ran out of. I can't equip them on the fitting I want to use, though, because they're locked into the fitting I restocked earlier.
I have to either go through several pages of menus to re-assign those stocked guns to the fitting I want, or buy more of that weapon even though I already own 50 of them.
If you're running out of gear you want to use mid-match, then you're not managing your money or your fittings effectively. That's not the game's fault. That's your fault.
And it's not a lot of micro-management, it's a TINY amount more than you're asking for.
Your suggestion would require HUGE changes to the back-end operations of the game. Leaving it as-is works just as well if you're even remotely competent and not an idiot, and doesn't take much work to deal with.
Also, if you want a GOOD solution to your "problem" all they need is a "full restock" function which ignores current stock of items and buys X amount of everything in the fitting. THAT would be a good way to reduce the micro-management. |
Velexia Ombra
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Posted - 2012.07.30 08:39:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Lets look closer at those two different fittings that only share a single weapon, shall we?
I restock that fitting which ran out with 50 new guns.
Then the other fitting runs out of the weapon. But I have 50 of the same gun that I ran out of. I can't equip them on the fitting I want to use, though, because they're locked into the fitting I restocked earlier.
I have to either go through several pages of menus to re-assign those stocked guns to the fitting I want, or buy more of that weapon even though I already own 50 of them.
If you're running out of gear you want to use mid-match, then you're not spending half of your play time MICROmanaging your fittings. That's not your fault. That's my fault, for being a tool who can't grasp any way but my way.
And it's not a lot of micro-management, it's a TINY amount more than you're asking for.
Your suggestion would require minor changes to the back-end operations of the game. Leaving it as-is works just as well if you're into needlessly micromanaging everything because hey, why build a more streamlined game when you can just brute force everything?
Also, if you want a GOOD solution to your "problem" all they need is a "full restock" function which ignores current stock of items and buys X amount of everything in the fitting. THAT would be a good way to reduce the micro-management.
^ That last thing you said? That's what I am talking about. Now that you formulated it all on your own, maybe you can stop acting like a tool, and get with the picture, yeah?
In the current setup, the other fitting doesn't run out until it's used up ALL of your guns of that type. But when it does, it makes all fittings that used that weapon invalid. In the proposed setup, the other fitting runs out when it has used up it's own stock. You are building a strawman argument by suggesting that items in a particular fitting are "locked away". I don't ever recall making that suggestion. Nice try though... Well, no it wasn't.
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Velexia Ombra
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Posted - 2012.07.30 08:42:00 -
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Ugh, all of this nonsense just to get a simple idea across, if this forum has an ignore function, I am going to make you my first ignore victim, because there's really no point in talking to someone as self absorbed as you are. |
Garrett Blacknova
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Posted - 2012.07.30 08:47:00 -
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Velexia Ombra wrote:^ That last thing you said? That's what I am talking about. Now that you formulated it all on your own, maybe you can stop acting like a tool, and get with the picture, yeah?
In the current setup, the other fitting doesn't run out until it's used up ALL of your guns of that type. But when it does, it makes all fittings that used that weapon invalid. In the proposed setup, the other fitting runs out when it has used up it's own stock. You are building a strawman argument by suggesting that items in a particular fitting are "locked away". I don't ever recall making that suggestion. Nice try though... Well, no it wasn't. If that last thing I said is what you were TRYING to say, then I agree.
But it's DEFINITELY not what you were ACTUALLY saying.
Full restock option where you buy X amount of every item in a fitting DOESN'T guarantee that you won't run out by using that same gear on another fitting. Your suggestion would.
Here's a quote from your OP:
Quote:Wouldn't it make more sense if each fitting had it's own stock? That says exactly what you're claiming you didn't.
And no, it WOULDN'T make more sense to limit each purchase to a specific fitting. |
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