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HowDidThatTaste 461	Posted - 2012.07.30 00:01:00 - [1] - Quote As I throw grenades now they tend to hit a wall and slide straight down, or if you try to bounce one in off a wall or crate it has no predictable bounce. Same when it hits a roof it just falls right at my feet. Grenades need a little bouncy love
Sabastian Malone Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 6	Posted - 2012.07.30 00:16:00 - [2] - Quote Agreed. There've been countless times that ive tried to pull fancy trick shots just for them to hit the wall and fall straight down
Formally Invited Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 7	Posted - 2012.07.30 00:22:00 - [3] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: As I throw grenades now they tend to hit a wall and slide straight down, or if you try to bounce one in off a wall or crate it has no predictable bounce. Same when it hits a roof it just falls right at my feet. Grenades need a little bouncy love You ever chucked a real live grenade against a wall to get it where it was going? I'm gonna bet not.
HowDidThatTaste 461	Posted - 2012.07.30 00:42:00 - [4] - Quote Formally Invited wrote: HowDidThatTaste wrote: As I throw grenades now they tend to hit a wall and slide straight down, or if you try to bounce one in off a wall or crate it has no predictable bounce. Same when it hits a roof it just falls right at my feet. Grenades need a little bouncy love You ever chucked a real live grenade against a wall to get it where it was going? I'm gonna bet not. Have you ever seen a forge gun in real life? I'm guessing no. Wtf kinda dumb statement is that?
Bones1182 Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 86	Posted - 2012.07.30 01:04:00 - [5] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: Formally Invited wrote: HowDidThatTaste wrote: As I throw grenades now they tend to hit a wall and slide straight down, or if you try to bounce one in off a wall or crate it has no predictable bounce. Same when it hits a roof it just falls right at my feet. Grenades need a little bouncy love You ever chucked a real live grenade against a wall to get it where it was going? I'm gonna bet not. Have you ever seen a forge gun in real life? I'm guessing no. Wtf kinda dumb statement is that? It's actually not dumb but your response is. Companies like CCP actually pay weapon experts to help them make the guns feel a little more real, grenades too. Now I have thrown real grenades and they do bounce off of say a brick wall but only a little bit, then they just kinda roll. There is a very specific reason they call it a physics engine, they are trying to copy real life physics. So if real grenades don't bounce much why should these?
Mo Gallas Gentralde Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 178	Posted - 2012.07.30 01:16:00 - [6] - Quote No... his response is quite accurate. The grenades ingame could be encased in something other than metal. Possibly they found a certain type of rubber that is cheaper to use, but still permits the same explosive compaction. And what he's trying to say is that its a game. You can make games work the way you want. If you need "lore" to run your game, I just gave you some up there ^^^ for a reason to why they bounce.
HowDidThatTaste 461	Posted - 2012.07.30 01:17:00 - [7] - Quote Bones1182 wrote: HowDidThatTaste wrote: Formally Invited wrote: HowDidThatTaste wrote: As I throw grenades now they tend to hit a wall and slide straight down, or if you try to bounce one in off a wall or crate it has no predictable bounce. Same when it hits a roof it just falls right at my feet. Grenades need a little bouncy love You ever chucked a real live grenade against a wall to get it where it was going? I'm gonna bet not. Have you ever seen a forge gun in real life? I'm guessing no. Wtf kinda dumb statement is that? It's actually not dumb but your response is. Companies like CCP actually pay weapon experts to help them make the guns feel a little more real, grenades too. Now I have thrown real grenades and they do bounce off of say a brick wall but only a little bit, then they just kinda roll. There is a very specific reason they call it a physics engine, they are trying to copy real life physics. So if real grenades don't bounce much why should these? Well we have determined this game is not exactly like real life physics. Drop up links teleporting us, drop ships , shields nanohives, etc. So that argument really doesn't fly. What I'm suggesting is that if I throw a grenade at the ground and it bounces, and the ground in places like biomass are metal then based on in game logic asking for bouncing off metal walls is not that far fetched of an idea.
Bresker Veyne Algintal Core Gallente Federation 152	Posted - 2012.07.30 01:27:00 - [8] - Quote This comparing to real life situations is pretty nonsensical. Imagine they tried to make it as realistic as possible, we'd have a pretty boring and frustrating game. Getting shot by a bullet after your shields are down would hurt like hell. Even if you're still wearing armor, the impact itself hurts like hell. And a shot from a railgun would evaporate tanks I don't see much armor on the legs either, so as soon as you get shot in your leg, you'll have to wait squirming on the ground untill you a medic comes to you, transports you back to base and removes the bullet from you. All the explosions would at least throw people on the ground, so the dropships would reign havoc from above. During a war troopers are bored to tears 80% of the time. They have to perform the same tasks over and over again, which is especially stressfull in extreme climates. Adding 'cleaning the latrine chores' to the game wouldn't be much of a benefit I guess... The game isn't about being realistic. It's about being an enjoyable experience. In short tems: grenades bouncing of walls make for a more tactical and fun way to use grenades. Therefore they should be able to bounce of the walls.
RzrTrek Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2012.07.30 01:32:00 - [9] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: As I throw grenades now they tend to hit a wall and slide straight down, or if you try to bounce one in off a wall or crate it has no predictable bounce. Same when it hits a roof it just falls right at my feet. Grenades need a little bouncy love Indeed this would be a game changer! Please developers listen to this man's suggestion! Formally Invited wrote: You ever chucked a real live grenade against a wall to get it where it was going? I'm gonna bet not. Well according to physics there shoud be a minor bounce.. should it not?
Dante Brown Algintal Core Gallente Federation 28	Posted - 2012.07.30 01:47:00 - [10] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: As I throw grenades now they tend to hit a wall and slide straight down, or if you try to bounce one in off a wall or crate it has no predictable bounce. Same when it hits a roof it just falls right at my feet. Grenades need a little bouncy love Its not call of duty where grenades have magic smooth surfaces and bounce of walls without question.

Ima Leet Imperfects Negative-Feedback 321	Posted - 2012.07.30 03:24:00 - [11] - Quote i would like to see the bounce mechanics worked on a bit. if i throw it at the ground it will bounce forever it seems and never really explode where i want it to.
Vrain Matari ZionTCD Legacy Rising 404	Posted - 2012.07.30 03:58:00 - [12] - Quote Ima Leet wrote: i would like to see the bounce mechanics worked on a bit. if i throw it at the ground it will bounce forever it seems and never really explode where i want it to. Same - more grenade control needed before it 'feels' AAA good.
Bones1182 Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 86	Posted - 2012.07.30 04:08:00 - [13] - Quote I actually did say that real grenades bounce a bit if they hit a hard surface. The whole reason they use micro worthless is because there is actual scientific theories about their existence. Just like truly weaponized lasers and railguns and just about everything else in this universe. Also antipersonell grenades work by using shrapnel. I imagine that there is a little more to the locus grenades then that but it is at least a part of it. If it were bounce and made of rubber or something it wouldn't make for very good shrapnel. I suppose that I should have put in gameplay>realism but realism is still important for many different reasons. In the next build AV grenades will have minor seeking and magnetic abilities, so don't expect any bounce. The locus grenades could use a little bit of bounce but if they start bouncing around like tennis balls like in COD I will have to call bullsh!t.
Formally Invited Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 7	Posted - 2012.07.30 04:56:00 - [14] - Quote CCP like to make their games on the basis that it "could be real" given the proper technology, with certain artistic licensing. If you assume that the locus grenade is similar to a frag grenade then the exterior of it needs to be of a material hard enough and with a high enough melting point to not simply melt into a putty or bounce off your target. I'm not saying it shouldn't bounce at all, I'm saying if you're trying to do trick shots off a wall around a corner down the hall and around another corner by hitting all the appropriate walls, then that seems a little bit ridiculous. You throw a grenade, it gets MAYBE one decent bounce and then it drops to the ground and starts rolling.
ELDER7 11	Posted - 2012.07.30 05:29:00 - [15] - Quote Formally Invited wrote: CCP like to make their games on the basis that it "could be real" given the proper technology, with certain artistic licensing. If you assume that the locus grenade is similar to a frag grenade then the exterior of it needs to be of a material hard enough and with a high enough melting point to not simply melt into a putty or bounce off your target. I'm not saying it shouldn't bounce at all, I'm saying if you're trying to do trick shots off a wall around a corner down the hall and around another corner by hitting all the appropriate walls, then that seems a little bit ridiculous. You throw a grenade, it gets MAYBE one decent bounce and then it drops to the ground and starts rolling. Yes my original suggestion is that you get a predictable bounce off an object not a trick shot.


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