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EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.28 17:13:00 -
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So i have around 25mil in SP run full proto gear every round and current fitting is just under 70k ISK so 3 deaths and i could make a loss or small profit
So i had the merc pack and 4000 AUR to use but i never did look at AUR items tht much
I knew milita items had higher CPU/PG requirements when compared to basic so how would ISK items compare to AUR items
Well AUR items are very ******* good to put it bluntly
The majority of the shield/armor and weapon damage mods are better than ISK items, take the complex shield recharger mod 90CPU requirement, its AUR equivalent is 60CPU so 30 CPU less which is a big diff
It seems the same with other mods with the top end AUR items being on the requirement CPU/PG level of enhanced ISK mods
So i bought all AUR items which are the equivalent of my current ISK setup
The AUR items left me with more CPU/PG overall so i could actually upgrade other parts of my setup like grenades/sidarms or change my rigs
Compared to my ISK proto fit my AUR proto fit is actually better to use and helps me survive more and do more while also saving lots of isk and not capping out my CPU/PG
ISK proto fit = 70k AUR proto fit = 35 AUR including suit and 500 ISK, if i dont bother with the suit its basically 25AUR and 60k ISK
The only items where ISK seemed better to use than AUR is the drop uplinks i think which to be frank is poor
Atm if you have money to convert into AUR and already run full proto with ISK items then AUR is a good way to go to save up ISK but also AUR items allow more room for upgrades and customisation while not really making you choose between things because the CPU/PG you save with AUR items is damn good
Now if ISK can be converted into AUR at some point then pay to have an advantage it wont be but if it does stay like this then AUR items overall do give a better advantage when compared to ther ISK counterparts
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Debacle Nano
Shadow Company HQ
639
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Posted - 2012.07.28 17:16:00 -
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I've got 6000 Aur that I'm onl going to be spending on boosters and maybe skill clusters. |
Shinigami6 Test
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.28 17:22:00 -
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Yeah you are right in your point. the developers claim that all items will be available to all players with in game currency. but in reality, these items with less CPU usage are not available to non paying players. |
PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
781
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Posted - 2012.07.28 17:24:00 -
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Wheres PAY-TO-WIN when we need him?
PRIDE!!!!! |
Berserker007
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2012.07.28 17:24:00 -
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Having just starting using proto gear (or parts), and also having aurum, both have advantages and disadvantages. Yes, aur items do cost less cpu/pg then isk counterpats, however if/when u die with them they are really gone (compared to isk, u can simply use lesser gear for a game to remake what u lost to rebuy).
Using aur items does give certain amount of flexibility in drop fittings, but most can be equalized by using certain skills to even out the cpu/pg differences
All in all, will still say it isnt pay to win, aur just giving u differ options, and allowes u to use certain items at lower levels then their isk ccounterpart (ie: the mindrive smg which equals the boundless breach stat wise can be used at lv2 sm, compared to lv5, however wont be as affective is someone is using the actual bbsmg, as they will have an extra 15% damage on theirs) |
Rorek IronBlood
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
746
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Posted - 2012.07.28 17:25:00 -
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Actually AUR items do not offer much in the way of an advantage, and again in the end it costs real legal tender to obtain. All it does really is offer a quick fix to those whom are unwilling to wait a level or two for the next gear set.
Stand AUR equipment is equal to advanced, advanced AUR equipment is equal to proto, and proto AUR items only offer decreased CPU (Central Processing Unit) and PG (Power Grid) consumption which can be obatined anyway again through skilling. Which again is not an advantage to say the least. It really is just a gimmick for CCP to use in making a profit while allowing those whom are either impulse buyers or too impatient to obtain an item that they will nonetheless obtain once skilled up.
I have my four thousand AUR and as posted by someone else I may only use it as bargaining, or for skill boosters. Actual depletable battle items are not worth it. |
Benjamin Hellios
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
259
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Posted - 2012.07.28 17:28:00 -
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I don't mind, let other people pay as long as I get to play for free, even if at a slight disadvantage. |
Nova Knife
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
788
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Posted - 2012.07.28 17:40:00 -
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Check out this thread. |
Kira Lannister
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
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Posted - 2012.07.28 17:46:00 -
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What are skill clusters? |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1012
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Posted - 2012.07.28 17:50:00 -
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PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE wrote:Wheres PAY-TO-WIN when we need him?
PRIDE!!!!!
Its not pay to win
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EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1012
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Posted - 2012.07.28 17:52:00 -
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Rorek IronBlood wrote:
Actually AUR items do not offer much in the way of an advantage, and again in the end it costs real legal tender to obtain. All it does really is offer a quick fix to those whom are unwilling to wait a level or two for the next gear set.
Stand AUR equipment is equal to advanced, advanced AUR equipment is equal to proto, and proto AUR items only offer decreased CPU (Central Processing Unit) and PG (Power Grid) consumption which can be obatined anyway again through skilling. Which again is not an advantage to say the least. It really is just a gimmick for CCP to use in making a profit while allowing those whom are either impulse buyers or too impatient to obtain an item that they will nonetheless obtain once skilled up.
I have my four thousand AUR and as posted by someone else I may only use it as bargaining, or for skill boosters. Actual depletable battle items are not worth it.
I have max skills in electronics and powergrid with all support skills with shield and armor and my guns to max
The ISK items max out my PG nearly and i always need more CPU
With the AUR items i dont need to use a CPU upgrade at all and i easily have PG left over
So you are wrong skills do not make up the difference and niether do iteams since my AUR fir can do more than my ISK fit |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1012
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Posted - 2012.07.28 17:54:00 -
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I never put pay to win
I didnt say pay to win |
xprotoman23
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
1452
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Posted - 2012.07.28 17:55:00 -
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PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE wrote:Wheres PAY-TO-WIN when we need him?
PRIDE!!!!!
Thats the homie right there |
crazy space
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
879
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Posted - 2012.07.28 17:59:00 -
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Why would you leave empty CPU and powergrid? Like, just why ?
Sure maybe one aur item to help a tight fit. But that's it, if you have all aur gear your a dumbass wasting money. You could have the same stats with prototype gear and just the aur gun. Giving you the space u need. But even then use the ISO credible and drop the remote mines. Or use a CPU mod, which kick ass btw.
Why would it matter in a gun fight who has more unused fittings? Good lick with your lol fit, I'm sure they will luagh when they get the killmail. |
Rorek IronBlood
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
746
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Posted - 2012.07.28 18:00:00 -
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.. Mmkay. Of course you know there should never be a way for you to use every proto item available at once. Ha-ha, but whatever. Glad someone wasted enough time to find this out.
On the side though this reminds of the MAG complaints about people being unable to squeze every high-end peice of equipment onto their build. Ha-ha.
I still stand by my personal opinion. AUR items are not worth it, and offer no real advantage. If people want to purchase them so be it. Have fun wasting real legal tender. Depletable nonetheless. |
Nova Knife
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
788
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Posted - 2012.07.28 18:19:00 -
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EnglishSnake wrote:I never put pay to win I didnt say pay to win
The thread isn't about pay2win. It highlights rebalancing of the aur items. Mainly, their skill requirements and making the PG/CPU lessning modules less effective than the ISK variants, giving you the choice of 'Easier to fit with less effect' or 'more effect, harder to fit'. |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1012
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Posted - 2012.07.28 18:21:00 -
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crazy space wrote:Why would you leave empty CPU and powergrid? Like, just why ?
Sure maybe one aur item to help a tight fit. But that's it, if you have all aur gear your a dumbass wasting money. You could have the same stats with prototype gear and just the aur gun. Giving you the space u need. But even then use the ISO credible and drop the remote mines. Or use a CPU mod, which kick ass btw.
Why would it matter in a gun fight who has more unused fittings? Good lick with your lol fit, I'm sure they will luagh when they get the killmail.
Such a moron
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EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1012
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Posted - 2012.07.28 18:23:00 -
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Nova Knife wrote:EnglishSnake wrote:I never put pay to win I didnt say pay to win The thread isn't about pay2win. It highlights rebalancing of the aur items. Mainly, their skill requirements and making the PG/CPU lessning modules less effective than the ISK variants, giving you the choice of 'Easier to fit with less effect' or 'more effect, harder to fit'.
All id be happy with is being able to buy AUR with ISK tbh
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EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1012
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Posted - 2012.07.28 18:25:00 -
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Rorek IronBlood wrote:
.. Mmkay. Of course you know there should never be a way for you to use every proto item available at once. Ha-ha, but whatever. Glad someone wasted enough time to find this out.
On the side though this reminds of the MAG complaints about people being unable to squeze every high-end peice of equipment onto their build. Ha-ha.
I still stand by my personal opinion. AUR items are not worth it, and offer no real advantage. If people want to purchase them so be it. Have fun wasting real legal tender. Depletable nonetheless.
It would be worth it if your willing to throw money at the game
I really just wanted to see the difference between ISK and AUR and its a difference i could use now n again
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Rorek IronBlood
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
746
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Posted - 2012.07.28 18:28:00 -
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EnglishSnake wrote:Nova Knife wrote:EnglishSnake wrote:I never put pay to win I didnt say pay to win The thread isn't about pay2win. It highlights rebalancing of the aur items. Mainly, their skill requirements and making the PG/CPU lessning modules less effective than the ISK variants, giving you the choice of 'Easier to fit with less effect' or 'more effect, harder to fit'. All id be happy with is being able to buy AUR with ISK tbh
Hm. Well I can see people trading AUR for ISK, but I can also see sometime down that road CCP intergrating some converstion ratio for those willing to lose ISK for a smaller amout of AUR. It would be like trading the (USD) for say the legal UK pound. You'd lose money so to speak. Iffy example I know, but it would sort of be cool to see some form of economic converstion that changes daily like those between legal world tenders. |
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Debacle Nano
Shadow Company HQ
639
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Posted - 2012.07.28 18:31:00 -
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People who buy aur items can resell those items for isk. It's pretty balanced. |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1012
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Posted - 2012.07.28 18:31:00 -
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Rorek IronBlood wrote:EnglishSnake wrote:Nova Knife wrote:EnglishSnake wrote:I never put pay to win I didnt say pay to win The thread isn't about pay2win. It highlights rebalancing of the aur items. Mainly, their skill requirements and making the PG/CPU lessning modules less effective than the ISK variants, giving you the choice of 'Easier to fit with less effect' or 'more effect, harder to fit'. All id be happy with is being able to buy AUR with ISK tbh Hm. Well I can see people trading AUR for ISK, but I can also see sometime down that road CCP intergrating some converstion ratio for those willing to lose ISK for a smaller amout of AUR. It would be like trading the (USD) for say the legal UK pound. You'd lose money so to speak. Iffy example I know, but it would sort of be cool to see some form of economic converstion that changes daily like those between legal world tenders.
Be intresting tho if you could manufacture the AUR items aswell in EVE and sell them for ISK which is another route they could take |
Rorek IronBlood
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
746
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Posted - 2012.07.28 18:33:00 -
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EnglishSnake wrote:Rorek IronBlood wrote:
.. Mmkay. Of course you know there should never be a way for you to use every proto item available at once. Ha-ha, but whatever. Glad someone wasted enough time to find this out.
On the side though this reminds of the MAG complaints about people being unable to squeze every high-end peice of equipment onto their build. Ha-ha.
I still stand by my personal opinion. AUR items are not worth it, and offer no real advantage. If people want to purchase them so be it. Have fun wasting real legal tender. Depletable nonetheless.
It would be worth it if your willing to throw money at the game I really just wanted to see the difference between ISK and AUR and its a difference i could use now n again
Well I'm going to apologise -- I was not trying to sound like a total jerk. As AUR items? Sometimes they seem like it due to the lower pre-requisites, and lower consumptions may sound nice, but at the cost of legal tender? Not so much. Granted I come off as a hypocrite seeing how I purchased the "mercenary pack". However I have yet to use the AUR at all. Even though it will be granted back to me at launch, or upon state-wipes during the [beta]. Also I have not even used my skill booster. Ha-ha. I just find it to be more fun to see how I can max out what I have available then otherwise. I'm constantly pushing my CPU and PG limits to what will fit. However I also realistically expect their to be limits. |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1012
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Posted - 2012.07.28 18:45:00 -
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Rorek IronBlood wrote:EnglishSnake wrote:Rorek IronBlood wrote:
.. Mmkay. Of course you know there should never be a way for you to use every proto item available at once. Ha-ha, but whatever. Glad someone wasted enough time to find this out.
On the side though this reminds of the MAG complaints about people being unable to squeze every high-end peice of equipment onto their build. Ha-ha.
I still stand by my personal opinion. AUR items are not worth it, and offer no real advantage. If people want to purchase them so be it. Have fun wasting real legal tender. Depletable nonetheless.
It would be worth it if your willing to throw money at the game I really just wanted to see the difference between ISK and AUR and its a difference i could use now n again Well I'm going to apologise -- I was not trying to sound like a total jerk. As AUR items? Sometimes they seem like it due to the lower pre-requisites, and lower consumptions may sound nice, but at the cost of legal tender? Not so much. Granted I come off as a hypocrite seeing how I purchased the "mercenary pack". However I have yet to use the AUR at all. Even though it will be granted back to me at launch, or upon state-wipes during the [beta]. Also I have not even used my skill booster. Ha-ha. I just find it to be more fun to see how I can max out what I have available then otherwise. I'm constantly pushing my CPU and PG limits to what will fit. However I also realistically expect their to be limits.
Thats where my AUR came from, merc pack
4000 AUR prob gives me 100 suits tbh or 150 fittings without the suits so can easily last a beta weekend but over a week its pushing it so come release il end up using it on boosters but also it may have all changed and i can manufacture them instead |
Blunt Smkr
Doomheim
62
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Posted - 2012.07.28 19:10:00 -
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lol who cares bout the extra cpu/pg. With my proto setup i have plenty of room for everything i need to kill anyone. an i dont use any AUR items except i bought bunch of the red proto scout suits just cause they look kool. so really the person that waste there money on a full AUR suit is stupid cause it doesnt give them much of a advantage unless it let them do more damage or give them extra health which it doesnt. They are just as easy to kill as the guy using none AUR items. so there is really nathing they can put on there suit that can give them advantage over my none AUR suit
Basically i see AUR items as a way to get a certain setup earlier or for people that cant afford there dropsuits with ISK |
Sw3RvE
25
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Posted - 2012.07.28 19:18:00 -
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if you can use skill points to make your weapons require less cpu to the same level of the AUR weapons, then it would be fair. |
crazy space
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
879
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Posted - 2012.07.28 19:23:00 -
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EnglishSnake wrote:crazy space wrote:Why would you leave empty CPU and powergrid? Like, just why ?
Sure maybe one aur item to help a tight fit. But that's it, if you have all aur gear your a dumbass wasting money. You could have the same stats with prototype gear and just the aur gun. Giving you the space u need. But even then use the ISO credible and drop the remote mines. Or use a CPU mod, which kick ass btw.
Why would it matter in a gun fight who has more unused fittings? Good lick with your lol fit, I'm sure they will luagh when they get the killmail. Such a moron
your talking to yourself right? have fun with your drop suit that has 30 power grid and 120 CPU free, worthless idiots, seriously. please throw away your money. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
1216
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Posted - 2012.07.28 19:25:00 -
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Shinigami6 Test wrote:Yeah you are right in your point. the developers claim that all items will be available to all players with in game currency. but in reality, these items with less CPU usage are not available to non paying players. Well, they actually will be available to non-paying players, because paying players can buy those items and resell them for ISK. |
Icy Tiger
496
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Posted - 2012.07.28 20:57:00 -
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In the end, your using real money to fight, which is a big risk. Thats where balance comes in. Are you willing to use that? |
Berserker007
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
206
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Posted - 2012.07.28 21:26:00 -
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I know, for one or two of mysetups, ill run a proto aur item over isk b/c i literally can fit the isk version into the dropsuit. But like others said playing with full au suits is playing with real money, granted the devs said even a full setup would cost about $.35 if i remmeber correctly. So again as we have all said, there are pros and cons to each. I will prob use aur for boosters upon release, and possinly on a few guns/items |
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