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ReGnUm DEl Doomheim 622	Posted - 2012.07.27 15:14:00 - [1] - Quote Who would of thought that carry your team every game would leave you such a financial mess AS said I am broke and got nothng to my DUST name, except maybe 10isk. My gear is SOOOOO expensive that if die more then five times I m in the red Take back everything I said Evetards! inject me with money plsssss, or this Proto beast will become a militia feast
panoscape01 Doomheim 71	Posted - 2012.07.27 15:15:00 - [2] - Quote Would you like some cheese with that wine?
Grit Breather BetaMax. 660	Posted - 2012.07.27 15:16:00 - [3] - Quote ReGnUm DEl wrote: Who would of thought that carry your team every game would leave you such a financial mess AS said I am broke and got nothng to my DUST name, except maybe 10isk. My gear is SOOOOO expensive that if die more then five times I m in the red Take back everything I said Evetards! inject me with money plsssss, or this Proto beast will become a militia feast Get better. I've heard of and seen players go 24/0 in most matches. Also, you don't need to run around in your proto gear every spawn. Mix it up a bit.
DON RODIE II Deep Space Republic 168	Posted - 2012.07.27 15:17:00 - [4] - Quote lol
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.07.27 15:18:00 - [5] - Quote This is why I practice (a LOT) using only Militia gear and the Dragonfly/Toxin from the Merc Pack. Makes it a lot easier to do without the top-level gear when you're used to using the free stuff. Build a few free-to-replace fits. If you have to, run a few matches with only the default loadouts to earn some ISK to make some custom Militia fits with.
EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1012	Posted - 2012.07.27 15:20:00 - [6] - Quote Dont fight in gear that you cant afford
ReGnUm DEl Doomheim 622	Posted - 2012.07.27 15:21:00 - [7] - Quote Grit Breather wrote: ReGnUm DEl wrote: Who would of thought that carry your team every game would leave you such a financial mess AS said I am broke and got nothng to my DUST name, except maybe 10isk. My gear is SOOOOO expensive that if die more then five times I m in the red Take back everything I said Evetards! inject me with money plsssss, or this Proto beast will become a militia feast Get better. I've heard of and seen players go 24/0 in most matches. Also, you don't need to run around in your proto gear every spawn. Mix it up a bit. ...GET BETTER... really *** is that your answer. I go 24/0 in on a bad day, and make about 500 000isk each game. WHY THE ** WOULD USE LOWER GEAR WHEN I HAVE TAKEN THE TIME TO UPGRADE TO PROTO
Sohkar Adelis Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 61	Posted - 2012.07.27 15:23:00 - [8] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: This is why I practice (a LOT) using only Militia gear and the Dragonfly/Toxin from the Merc Pack. Makes it a lot easier to do without the top-level gear when you're used to using the free stuff. Build a few free-to-replace fits. If you have to, run a few matches with only the default loadouts to earn some ISK to make some custom Militia fits with. I concur, I usually run around in full proto gear, but if I die more than twice and my team is still losing? I switch it up to pilot gear and fly overpasses with gunners to even the playing field. I tend not to die in my fully moded jet. If the tables turn, I switch back on next death. If you can't afford the good stuff then you have really bad luck, you don't switch it up, or your a bad player. Dust 514 is hugely based on interchanging yourself into any kind of soldier, so do it.
Roccano1 152	Posted - 2012.07.27 15:23:00 - [9] - Quote ReGnUm DEl wrote: Grit Breather wrote: ReGnUm DEl wrote: Who would of thought that carry your team every game would leave you such a financial mess AS said I am broke and got nothng to my DUST name, except maybe 10isk. My gear is SOOOOO expensive that if die more then five times I m in the red Take back everything I said Evetards! inject me with money plsssss, or this Proto beast will become a militia feast Get better. I've heard of and seen players go 24/0 in most matches. Also, you don't need to run around in your proto gear every spawn. Mix it up a bit. ...GET BETTER... really *** is that your answer. I go 24/0 in on a bad day, and make about 500 000isk each game. WHY THE ** WOULD USE LOWER GEAR WHEN I HAVE TAKEN THE TIME TO UPGRADE TO PROTO Because it saves you money/
EriktheHeartless Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 168	Posted - 2012.07.27 15:24:00 - [10] - Quote look out someone found caps lock.

Grit Breather BetaMax. 660	Posted - 2012.07.27 15:26:00 - [11] - Quote Why? Because you said this at the beginning of the thread. ReGnUm DEl wrote: Who would of thought that carry your team every game would leave you such a financial mess AS said I am broke and got nothng to my DUST name, except maybe 10isk. My gear is SOOOOO expensive that if die more then five times I m in the red Take back everything I said Evetards! inject me with money plsssss, or this Proto beast will become a militia feast So I'm confused. If you go 24/0 ON A BAD DAY, how come you're broke? Choose your words carefully. Use EVE/Dust guys are ruthless with words...
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.07.27 15:27:00 - [12] - Quote How? Your a decent shot dude, how did you run outta cash? I've got another 100 Proto fits to buy this evening, have already got through 200. Made 2 million first 100. Lost 400K from second 100. (going 15/17 is expensive in Proto gear, but that's why I'm testing it. 17x75k is about 1.3 mil. I lost that in 1 game. Easy come easy go.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.07.27 15:27:00 - [13] - Quote If 24/0 is a bad game, why are you complaining about dying 5 times in one match and ending up in the red? If you're that good, you don't have money problems. If you're not, take some good advice, and only use your expensive gear while you can afford to do so. When it's getting expensive, dorp to using the cheaper equipment.
Deskalkulos Ildigan CrimeWave Syndicate 115	Posted - 2012.07.27 15:28:00 - [14] - Quote well if you'd go 24/0 you wouldn't have such a financial issue would you? looking as you only lose money when you die. I too have proto gear but i don't use it always (partly because swarmlaunchers are . . . not very effective against infantry), so yeah, you've taken the time to upgrade to proto, now take some more time to get good enough so that you wouldn't even need it anymore. Because once you got good enough you don't need it anymore, using it anyway will make you near invincible.
Maken Tosch 263	Posted - 2012.07.27 15:28:00 - [15] - Quote Practice being a little more prudent. I learned that the hard way. You might not get as many kills, but you will be balling at 14 million ISK like I am since you won't suffer much of a loss.
Bresker Veyne Algintal Core Gallente Federation 152	Posted - 2012.07.27 15:29:00 - [16] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: If 24/0 is a bad game, why are you complaining about dying 5 times in one match and ending up in the red? If you're that good, you don't have money problems. If you're not, take some good advice, and only use your expensive gear while you can afford to do so. When it's getting expensive, dorp to using the cheaper equipment. He's not that good, you only get 24/0 if you're abusing the current imbalance of the beta.
PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 781	Posted - 2012.07.27 15:29:00 - [17] - Quote BROKE PHI BROKE WE AINT GOT ITTTT
Fredreichson von Fredreich 40	Posted - 2012.07.27 15:34:00 - [18] - Quote ReGnUm DEl wrote: WHY THE **** WOULD USE LOWER GEAR WHEN I HAVE TAKEN THE TIME TO UPGRADE TO PROTO Because your precious maxed out assault rifle skills make every assault rifle better, not just the proto ones I don't fly tech 2 or faction ships into every ****ing fight in eve just because I have level 5 skills
ReGnUm DEl Doomheim 622	Posted - 2012.07.27 15:39:00 - [19] - Quote ALMOST EVERY THING in my load out is PROTO, From GUNs to nano hive to endurance boosters. When i get a chance ill do the math, but i think one load out is plus +100
Knarf Black Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 397	Posted - 2012.07.27 15:42:00 - [20] - Quote How much does your fitting cost? I'm running full proto scout 95% of the time, occasionally lose up to 10 fittings a round (also ocassionally lose none--3 or 4 is probably my average) and haven't dropped below 10mil ISK for some time. As the beta has no incentive to save money, I rarely even take out my Dragonfly gear anymore except for anti-tank suicide runs.

Bresker Veyne Algintal Core Gallente Federation 152	Posted - 2012.07.27 15:47:00 - [21] - Quote ReGnUm DEl wrote: Who would of thought that carry your team every game would leave you such a financial mess AS said I am broke and got nothng to my DUST name, except maybe 10isk. My gear is SOOOOO expensive that if die more then five times I m in the red Take back everything I said Evetards! inject me with money plsssss, or this Proto beast will become a militia feast It will be fun blowing you up in Dust knowing you don't have the money to replace that precious gear.
ReGnUm DEl Doomheim 622	Posted - 2012.07.27 15:53:00 - [22] - Quote Knarf Black wrote: How much does your fitting cost? I'm running full proto scout 95% of the time, occasionally lose up to 10 fittings a round (also ocassionally lose none--3 or 4 is probably my average) and haven't dropped below 10mil ISK for some time. As the beta has no incentive to save money, I rarely even take out my Dragonfly gear anymore except for anti-tank suicide runs. 150 200 isk just did the math
VigSniper101 204	Posted - 2012.07.27 16:05:00 - [23] - Quote ReGnUm DEl wrote: Knarf Black wrote: How much does your fitting cost? I'm running full proto scout 95% of the time, occasionally lose up to 10 fittings a round (also ocassionally lose none--3 or 4 is probably my average) and haven't dropped below 10mil ISK for some time. As the beta has no incentive to save money, I rarely even take out my Dragonfly gear anymore except for anti-tank suicide runs. 150 200 isk just did the math Wait...wasnt l just in a few rounds with you in the last hour? On the mic going "Im invulnerable!" If so, l barely saw you had a death to your name after like 4 rounds. If not.....my mistake.
Ignatius Crumwald Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 475	Posted - 2012.07.27 16:20:00 - [24] - Quote I AM THE 1%!!!
Sohkar Adelis Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 61	Posted - 2012.07.27 16:20:00 - [25] - Quote Ignatius Crumwald wrote: I AM THE 1%!!! so does that make players like Zitro the 0.0001%?
xprotoman23 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1452	Posted - 2012.07.27 16:23:00 - [26] - Quote PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE wrote: BROKE PHI BROKE WE AINT GOT ITTTT Late Registration was a classic
Ignatius Crumwald Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 475	Posted - 2012.07.27 16:24:00 - [27] - Quote Sohkar Adelis wrote: Ignatius Crumwald wrote: I AM THE 1%!!! so does that make players like Zitro the 0.0001%? I have more money than Zitro. I'll buy your momma. I'M MERC RICH, BIACH!
Debacle Nano Shadow Company HQ 639	Posted - 2012.07.27 16:27:00 - [28] - Quote ReGnUm DEl wrote: Grit Breather wrote: ReGnUm DEl wrote: Who would of thought that carry your team every game would leave you such a financial mess AS said I am broke and got nothng to my DUST name, except maybe 10isk. My gear is SOOOOO expensive that if die more then five times I m in the red Take back everything I said Evetards! inject me with money plsssss, or this Proto beast will become a militia feast Get better. I've heard of and seen players go 24/0 in most matches. Also, you don't need to run around in your proto gear every spawn. Mix it up a bit. ...GET BETTER... really *** is that your answer. I go 24/0 in on a bad day, and make about 500 000isk each game. WHY THE ** WOULD USE LOWER GEAR WHEN I HAVE TAKEN THE TIME TO UPGRADE TO PROTO You're lieing. There's no way to lose money if that's what you make each round. 24/0? What'd you lose? Nothing. You'de have to die more than 7 times to outweigh what you profited on. Edit: I run tanks and I don't lose more than 400.000 and most of the time I lose nothing! The lines don't meet with what you're saying.
Xocoyol Zaraoul Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 259	Posted - 2012.07.27 16:30:00 - [29] - Quote ReGnUm DEl wrote: WHY THE **** WOULD USE LOWER GEAR WHEN I HAVE TAKEN THE TIME TO UPGRADE TO PROTO Simple. Because you keep breaking it. Quit your yelling and accept that "the best" gear is not meant to be used 24/7 unless you are truly "the best." Carlos manages to keep inside his 24/7 and even apparently waste them on a whim when he is going AV with swarmies. Manage your resources, and tone down your suit a smidge until you manage to make proper amounts of money. Last build my average suit was a proto-fit and I never lost money due to being completely comfortable with that level of risk VS reward in combat. This build things are no more expensive. If you are low on cash, change up your playstyle to simply acquire more cash by lurking more in combat, going for more hacks then normal, and playing more carefully. Or, downgrade if you are losing money. I have zero sympathies for you if you are actually going to full-cap retort us. I made money using nothing but the best gear in a dropsuit, and now that I'm playing with HAVs I'm still making money, either playstyle I can float myself. If this "no-skill EVE player" can do it regardless of playstyle, then so can you. You are not going to let an EVE player out-do you in both builds, are you? I mean, we play a "point-and-click adventure" so that automatically means we are no-skillers in FPS.
Ignatius Crumwald Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 475	Posted - 2012.07.27 16:43:00 - [30] - Quote In all seriousness, I find using the lower cost suits makes me push the objectives without a care in the world. I have to die 8 times in my Standard type II to equal the cost of dieing once in one of my Proto load outs. And if i die to a proto load out 5 times and kill them once or twice - who really won there?

Sephoran Griffith Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 96	Posted - 2012.07.27 16:43:00 - [31] - Quote ReGnUm DEl wrote: Grit Breather wrote: ReGnUm DEl wrote: Who would of thought that carry your team every game would leave you such a financial mess AS said I am broke and got nothng to my DUST name, except maybe 10isk. My gear is SOOOOO expensive that if die more then five times I m in the red Take back everything I said Evetards! inject me with money plsssss, or this Proto beast will become a militia feast Get better. I've heard of and seen players go 24/0 in most matches. Also, you don't need to run around in your proto gear every spawn. Mix it up a bit. ...GET BETTER... really *** is that your answer. I go 24/0 in on a bad day, and make about 500 000isk each game. WHY THE ** WOULD USE LOWER GEAR WHEN I HAVE TAKEN THE TIME TO UPGRADE TO PROTO Maybe because the specific contract doesn't pay enough to deserve your best gear. This ia game where you have to play smart, not just have "good gun game". Also, if you mean "killed the most other guys" when you say "carry your team" then you are missing the whole point of this game. You are a mercenary, working with your own money. Basically running a business. Don't spend more on a job than the contract pays.
Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.07.27 16:52:00 - [32] - Quote I never go broke unlike MC.Hammer! Nah, but seriously. I understand his plight from his point of view. Some games you just get the ****-end of the stick. I've seen matches where the entire team is coherent enough to bulldoze anyone from proto-infantry to the most expensive vehicle loadouts. In one match I had this week alone we had four or so heavies that tore everyone apart all round, and we're laughing it up. Same happens to anyone eventually or more often then others. I myself? Ha! Immune. All skill. I use all standard, and militia grade equipment. If I go negative in a round it's because, I got shafted on that crap-fest team, and still chose not to give up. Which I still do not mind. I have roughly seven, or million ISK at the moment to fall back on. Anyway...
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.07.27 17:29:00 - [33] - Quote If you are dying that much trying to carry your team you are doing it wrong. You're going to hate it when players start determining prices of these gear becuase they're the ones building it. Imagine protosuits going for 1 million isk a pop. Tanks 10 million isk.
Carilito Algintal Core Gallente Federation 345	Posted - 2012.07.27 17:42:00 - [34] - Quote ReGnUm DEl wrote: Grit Breather wrote: ReGnUm DEl wrote: Who would of thought that carry your team every game would leave you such a financial mess AS said I am broke and got nothng to my DUST name, except maybe 10isk. My gear is SOOOOO expensive that if die more then five times I m in the red Take back everything I said Evetards! inject me with money plsssss, or this Proto beast will become a militia feast Get better. I've heard of and seen players go 24/0 in most matches. Also, you don't need to run around in your proto gear every spawn. Mix it up a bit. ...GET BETTER... really *** is that your answer. I go 24/0 in on a bad day, and make about 500 000isk each game. WHY THE ** WOULD USE LOWER GEAR WHEN I HAVE TAKEN THE TIME TO UPGRADE TO PROTO Your dont understand risk reward or finances in the real world. If you are loseing 5 protos each game and going into the red lower the risk and naturally your overall reward increases. This is the crux of buisnesses in the real world and maybe you should consider your merc a buisness with real world implications if you spend to much capital. lose a proto drop suit hop into militia av gear and hunt that tank or dropship thats pwning your team. Just because you have the best gear doesnt mean its the best for every situation. Which is why FREE militia gear actually several times more useful then people give it credit for. And that use is making money through smart tactical decions. My protosuit got raped by a sniper well go militia and hunt him down risk free and get your points. I MAKE 300K ISK A MATCH BY JUST DRIPPING IN MY PROTO GEAR WHEN ITS NEEDED AND PRACTICING IN MILITIA FOR CASH. IF YOUR RUNNING OUT OF MONEY YOU DONT UNDERSTAND FINANCES AND HOW TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF LOW IMPUT HIGH OUTPUT PRODUCTION MECHANISMS IE MILITIA GEAR
Carilito Algintal Core Gallente Federation 345	Posted - 2012.07.27 17:49:00 - [35] - Quote ReGnUm DEl wrote: Knarf Black wrote: How much does your fitting cost? I'm running full proto scout 95% of the time, occasionally lose up to 10 fittings a round (also ocassionally lose none--3 or 4 is probably my average) and haven't dropped below 10mil ISK for some time. As the beta has no incentive to save money, I rarely even take out my Dragonfly gear anymore except for anti-tank suicide runs. 150 200 isk just did the math lol So find the max amount suits you can lose a match and limit yourself to that, after that use militia. Militia Gear pwns for the simple fact its free; you just have to have enough sense to make the connection "Ahh I may be a weak ***** but I am making way more money then when I spam proto" Literally its the difference of magnitudes if are good in militia
ReGnUm DEl Doomheim 622	Posted - 2012.07.27 19:12:00 - [36] - Quote PROTO all EVE players are ganging up on ME
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core Gallente Federation 50	Posted - 2012.07.27 19:17:00 - [37] - Quote switch to adavnced suits and gear you'll be fine.
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1170	Posted - 2012.07.27 19:46:00 - [38] - Quote Put the cost in the name of every single fit. Takes all of 30s. If it is a glass canon and costing you 80k, pehaps you can trim the parts that are less "canon-y" to save some isk. Or visa-versa. Do you NEED a prototype gun on a fit that is full complex tanked? Should both your sidearm and main weapon be prototype? Trim the fat if you are going broke.
Belzeebub Santana SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 409	Posted - 2012.07.27 20:01:00 - [39] - Quote Hhmmm quite the conundrum, I got +16 mil and climbing and I use Proto for everything, mainly AV proto Assault. I saved a ton of isk skilling to Assault-A so thats where i got +8 mil.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 811	Posted - 2012.07.27 22:27:00 - [40] - Quote ReGnUm DEl wrote: ALMOST EVERY THING in my load out is PROTO, From GUNs to nano hive to endurance boosters. When i get a chance ill do the math, but i think one load out is plus +100 Well, there's your problem right there.

Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.07.27 23:22:00 - [41] - Quote ReGnUm DEl wrote: PROTO all EVE players are ganging up on ME This is your problem. If you are being picked on, it's probably because you are using that funky black armour. I have protogear, and if I see someone else using it, I want them dead. I go a bit far an kill them at my own expense too often, because I don't want them to regen their shields and armour.
William HBonney Imperfects Negative-Feedback 318	Posted - 2012.07.28 00:30:00 - [42] - Quote also you are running a broken scout suit so good luck when they fix the hit detection...
ReGnUm DEl Doomheim 622	Posted - 2012.07.28 01:21:00 - [43] - Quote William HBonney wrote: also you are running a broken scout suit so good luck when they fix the hit detection... To fast for you and your brother TO FAST FOR YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
Dante Brown Algintal Core Gallente Federation 28	Posted - 2012.07.28 04:45:00 - [44] - Quote I just buy all my fittings in bulk and replenish them when they reach to the last 20.


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