DUST Search - Arum Dropsuits

Badly Owned wrote:

Ok like to toss out the idea of the Arum dropsuits beings BPO one time buy raise the arum price to say 700 but then have a perm copy of that. since to me there is no difference besides color no fitting changes, cpu or powergrid. than the isk one.(i may be wrong couldn't double check) unlike the modules or weapons that should cost because they give you acess to higher meta lvl at a lower skill requirment. or even better if you still want dropsuit cost in there just make it the cost of the same as the isk version once the arum has been paid for the paint job.

aka
level one arum suit 500 arum would be around 2 dollars
level three 750 arum 3 dollars
level proto 1000 arum 4 dollars

mayhaps even after the arum paint job is bought the suit might even cost 1000 less isk than the one of the same level.

not sure i like how it is now since you can burn suits up like crazy don't mind lossing them isk wise.

any idea?
i say don't touch the weapons and modules they are just fine and should cost per loss but for just a paintjob on a suit it shouldn't cost every time since unlike the weapons and modules there is gain.

Pro's of this idea
more inclined to purchase since it's permenate

cons
one time sale but just one suit currently has 9 possible sales (from base to proto)

plus you can always add a different color yea for hello kitty paint jobs! noting like getting killed by a Pink proto heavy dropsuit

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Badly Owned xOne Man Armyx 49	Posted - 2012.07.24 00:17:00 - [1] - Quote Ok like to toss out the idea of the Arum dropsuits beings one time buy raise the arum price to say 700 but then converts it from arum to isk . since to me there is no difference besides color no fitting changes, cpu or powergrid. than the isk one.(i may be wrong couldn't double check) unlike the modules or weapons that should cost because they give you acess to higher meta lvl at a lower skill requirment. just make it the cost of the same as the isk version once the arum has been paid for the paint job. basicly just once you pay the arum it goes from arum, to isk far as the market screen goes. and restock aka level one arum suit 500 arum would be around 2 dollars once paid changes from arum to the 10,000 isk (or whatever the non arum one is) level three 750 arum 3 dollars level proto 1000 arum 4 dollars mayhaps even after the arum paint job is bought the suit might even cost 1000 less isk than the one of the same level. not sure i like how it is now since you can burn suits up like crazy don't mind lossing them isk wise. any idea? i say don't touch the weapons and modules they are just fine and should cost per loss but for just a paintjob on a suit it shouldn't cost every time since unlike the weapons and modules there is gain. Pro's of this idea more inclined to purchase since it's permenate cons one time sale but just one suit currently has 9 possible sales (from base to proto) plus you can always add a different color yea for hello kitty paint jobs! noting like getting killed by a Pink proto heavy dropsuit
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.07.24 00:25:00 - [2] - Quote This is a bad idea, and you're a bad person. No pay to win. At MOST, any Aurum BPOs should be on a par with the Dragonfly - no better than Standard gear.
Badly Owned xOne Man Armyx 49	Posted - 2012.07.24 00:26:00 - [3] - Quote did you even read that? oh you got your likes from just being a troll my bad nova
Shadoe Wolf Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 80	Posted - 2012.07.24 00:38:00 - [4] - Quote Badly Owned wrote: Ok like to toss out the idea of the Arum dropsuits beings BPO one time buy raise the arum price to say 700 but then have a perm copy of that. since to me there is no difference besides color no fitting changes, cpu or powergrid. than the isk one.(i may be wrong couldn't double check) unlike the modules or weapons that should cost because they give you acess to higher meta lvl at a lower skill requirment. or even better if you still want dropsuit cost in there just make it the cost of the same as the isk version once the arum has been paid for the paint job. aka level one arum suit 500 arum would be around 2 dollars level three 750 arum 3 dollars level proto 1000 arum 4 dollars mayhaps even after the arum paint job is bought the suit might even cost 1000 less isk than the one of the same level. not sure i like how it is now since you can burn suits up like crazy don't mind lossing them isk wise. any idea? i say don't touch the weapons and modules they are just fine and should cost per loss but for just a paintjob on a suit it shouldn't cost every time since unlike the weapons and modules there is gain. Pro's of this idea more inclined to purchase since it's permenate cons one time sale but just one suit currently has 9 possible sales (from base to proto) plus you can always add a different color yea for hello kitty paint jobs! noting like getting killed by a Pink proto heavy dropsuit I like that idea better than the way it is now. If it's just a different look and no stat difference, just bump up the aurum price and make it a one time purchase and be able to apply it to your other isk suits.
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.07.24 00:51:00 - [5] - Quote You are joking right? The whole idea in New Eden, is that nothing is permanent. If you had ever played EVE, you would know the phrase "Don't fly, what you cannot afford to lose". If you don't want to lose $0.24 when you die in that full prototype fit, then don't use it.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.07.24 00:51:00 - [6] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: This is a bad idea, and you're a bad person. No pay to win. At MOST, any Aurum BPOs should be on a par with the Dragonfly - no better than Standard gear. ...yeah, the AURUM variant dropsuits have identical stats to the others in their meta level, just with different paint jobs.
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.07.24 01:07:00 - [7] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: This is a bad idea, and you're a bad person. No pay to win. At MOST, any Aurum BPOs should be on a par with the Dragonfly - no better than Standard gear. ...yeah, the AURUM variant dropsuits have identical stats to the others in their meta level, just with different paint jobs. As is the idea of AUR items, to advance faster.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.07.24 01:10:00 - [8] - Quote Veigar Mordekaiser wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: This is a bad idea, and you're a bad person. No pay to win. At MOST, any Aurum BPOs should be on a par with the Dragonfly - no better than Standard gear. ...yeah, the AURUM variant dropsuits have identical stats to the others in their meta level, just with different paint jobs. As is the idea of AUR items, to advance faster. Well, the AURUM dropsuits require the same skill levels as the ISK ones as well, so you can't get any advantage with them other than trying to blend with the terrain, I guess. And that doesn't work thanks to the way sensors work.
Shadoe Wolf Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 80	Posted - 2012.07.24 01:18:00 - [9] - Quote I play EVE. I know that you don't use what you can't afford to replace. But, as for the custom paint job on suits, basically what the aurum suits are, I think these should be a one time payment. I'm not sure what the cost would be a month, but those custom paints could get rather expensive if you end up losing too many. Just bump that one time cost is all that is being suggested. No pay to win. Just cosmetic stuff.
Badly Owned xOne Man Armyx 49	Posted - 2012.07.24 01:21:00 - [10] - Quote since they currently offer no advantage besides color no one will buy them. what i propose actually makes it more feasible to sell more arum.

Osiris Greywolf Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 80	Posted - 2012.07.24 01:25:00 - [11] - Quote Veigar Mordekaiser wrote: You are joking right? The whole idea in New Eden, is that nothing is permanent. If you had ever played EVE, you would know the phrase "Don't fly, what you cannot afford to lose". If you don't want to lose $0.24 when you die in that full prototype fit, then don't use it. How much I wish that were true, then we would be rid of idiots like you. Why not contribute something on the forums instead of insulting everyone else who is. @OP, like the idea, why should one pay real money consistently for a paint job, know I wouldn't though I lovs the red logi suit. Spent 4000 aurum on them in the last build, they were gone in 4 days. Know I'm not going to bother buying more just for fancy looks, though I would if it were permanent.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.07.24 01:49:00 - [12] - Quote SOME of the Aurum gear is "just" a paintjob. Some of is is gear with lower fitting requirements than the ISK equivalent. The paintjob gear shouldn't exist at all. Each fitting should have a series of colour scheme "slots" that can be filled with AUR-purchased recolour modules - which DON'T get used up in any way. One-time purchase for a cosmetic choice, but the other AUR gear should work as-is. And I still say no to BPOs of anything better than "standard" quality gear, EVER.
Ray seveN Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 71	Posted - 2012.07.24 02:01:00 - [13] - Quote wait wait...... I dont know if I'm reading this right. Are you suggesting BPO paint schemes? or are you suggesting making aurum bought suits BPO? I'm all for the BPO paint jobs but not BPO aurum suits. Why? well having to buy just one aurum proto suit and never have to think about it again sounds very "pay-to-win". Like why work and pay for every protosuit you lose if you can just buy a permanent one with real money?
Badly Owned xOne Man Armyx 49	Posted - 2012.07.24 02:09:00 - [14] - Quote Ray seveN wrote: wait wait...... I dont know if I'm reading this right. Are you suggesting BPO paint schemes? or are you suggesting making aurum bought suits BPO? I'm all for the BPO paint jobs but not BPO aurum suits. Why? well having to buy just one aurum proto suit and never have to think about it again sounds very "pay-to-win". Like why work and pay for every protosuit you lose if you can just buy a permanent one with real money? just make it the cost of the same as the isk version once the arum has been paid for the paint job. basicly just once you pay the arum it goes from arum, to isk far as the market screen goes. and restock
Shadoe Wolf Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 80	Posted - 2012.07.24 02:14:00 - [15] - Quote Ray seveN wrote: wait wait...... I dont know if I'm reading this right. Are you suggesting BPO paint schemes? or are you suggesting making aurum bought suits BPO? I'm all for the BPO paint jobs but not BPO aurum suits. Why? well having to buy just one aurum proto suit and never have to think about it again sounds very "pay-to-win". Like why work and pay for every protosuit you lose if you can just buy a permanent one with real money? That's what I was trying to say. Aurum paints, aurum suits, keep them seperate.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.07.24 02:26:00 - [16] - Quote I was suggesting that, entirely separate from the ISK and AUR gear, you have AUR-only paint schemes which can be applied to ANYTHING - if you don't pay AUR to paint it, you keep the default colour of whatever you're using. If you buy the AUR paintjob, it lets you repaint things. Basically the same thing Shadoe is saying. BPO paintjobs, non-BPO suits (except MAYBE for relatively expensive ones which are no better than standard gear, so you're not getting a significant advantage over people in Militia fittings - pretty much like what we already have with the Dragonfly. Presumably the same, or similar, will be the case with the Skinweave Logi suit we're getting with the next build.
Ten-Sidhe Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 414	Posted - 2012.07.24 03:07:00 - [17] - Quote The dragonfly also has lower fitting requirements, not that Gallente Scout Suit I is a lot to train. The paint slot sounds good. Or, if the aurum suits were once per downtime for each purchased, maybe still cost isk/minerals(once industry is added) at the regular suits price as well.
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.07.24 03:22:00 - [18] - Quote Osiris Greywolf wrote: Veigar Mordekaiser wrote: You are joking right? The whole idea in New Eden, is that nothing is permanent. If you had ever played EVE, you would know the phrase "Don't fly, what you cannot afford to lose". If you don't want to lose $0.24 when you die in that full prototype fit, then don't use it. How much I wish that were true, then we would be rid of idiots like you. Why not contribute something on the forums instead of insulting everyone else who is. @OP, like the idea, why should one pay real money consistently for a paint job, know I wouldn't though I lovs the red logi suit. Spent 4000 aurum on them in the last build, they were gone in 4 days. Know I'm not going to bother buying more just for fancy looks, though I would if it were permanent. Alright, I went back and read the OP again, and realize that I read it incorrectly. It's written awkwardly and I misunderstood. If the suggestion is to buy a BPO paint job for a dropsuit that is the same meta level and CPU/PGU, fitting slots, literally the same as an ISK dropsuit, then thats fine. Color changes are no big deal. I thought the OP was suggesting that AUR suits should have a significant price raise, and become a one time purchase. Sounded very P2W to me. My bad.
EVICER 63	Posted - 2012.07.24 04:43:00 - [19] - Quote Aurum suits have bonus's to Cpu/Pg.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.07.24 09:08:00 - [20] - Quote Badly Owned wrote: just make it the cost of the same as the isk version once the arum has been paid for the paint job. See, if you miss that one line, it changes the entire tone of what the OP was actually meaning. With my first reply to the thread, I made the same mistake.

Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.07.24 09:19:00 - [21] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Badly Owned wrote: just make it the cost of the same as the isk version once the arum has been paid for the paint job. See, if you miss that one line, it changes the entire tone of what the OP was actually meaning. With my first reply to the thread, I made the same mistake. The grammar isn't particularly helpful in understanding the OP either.
Badly Owned xOne Man Armyx 49	Posted - 2012.07.24 11:46:00 - [22] - Quote grammar isn't my forte
Ignatius Crumwald Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 475	Posted - 2012.07.24 12:26:00 - [23] - Quote I agree with this - except for the BPO part. If the AUR suits have no difference over ISK suits then instead of entire suits there should just be style swapping as an option with styles selling for AUR.
JONLUK167 Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 18	Posted - 2012.07.24 14:48:00 - [24] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: This is a bad idea, and you're a bad person. No pay to win. At MOST, any Aurum BPOs should be on a par with the Dragonfly - no better than Standard gear. ...yeah, the AURUM variant dropsuits have identical stats to the others in their meta level, just with different paint jobs. Thats not all true look at the cpu and the pg, big differnce 40 cpu less then if you buy with isk in some suits. Thats how CCP will in one way get paid to keep dust up and running AURUM !
JONLUK167 Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 18	Posted - 2012.07.24 14:50:00 - [25] - Quote EVICER wrote: Aurum suits have bonus's to Cpu/Pg.
Mo Gallas Gentralde Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 178	Posted - 2012.07.24 15:52:00 - [26] - Quote Permanant AUR suits would only work if they stopped at just above Militia grade items. Why? CCP has to make their money off of suit sales you know. They're trying to make this game last for years, so they need some kind of income quality. This way you'd be able to use a "fallback" suit if you bought one to conserve ISK, but not be quite as squashable as the Milita grade suits. Milita -regular rank 1 - &-Buyable Perma Suits etc- -rank 2- -yadda yadda- -proto- With this setup, you'd be able to push a bit more forward with basic builds, but still allow CCP to make money from aluring suit fittings. The higher suits just have to cost AUR/ISK because that's how the mentality of the system is set up. Plus it would destroy the future trade system if you could buy permanant gear that was of upper to high quality.
Milk Supreme ZionTCD Legacy Rising 127	Posted - 2012.07.24 18:57:00 - [27] - Quote Separate, possibly permanent paint jobs yes Permanent weapons and armour definitely not
Cassa-Nova 29	Posted - 2012.07.24 21:58:00 - [28] - Quote OFFICIAL THE BEST IDEA ON THE ENTIRE FORUM BELOW \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ Step 1 Introduce a dozen new skins per drop suit Step 2 You buy the SKIN once Step 3 You need to have the correct drop suit to fit the skin on PERFECT BALANCE!!
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.07.25 00:06:00 - [29] - Quote Cassa-Nova wrote: OFFICIAL THE BEST IDEA ON THE ENTIRE FORUM BELOW \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ Step 1 Introduce a dozen new skins per drop suit Step 2 You buy the SKIN once Step 3 You need to have the correct drop suit to fit the skin on PERFECT BALANCE!! I'd prefer it if the skins could be applied to any Dropsuit, personally, but can only be assigned to a single fitting each.
Badly Owned xOne Man Armyx 49	Posted - 2012.07.27 01:38:00 - [30] - Quote =p



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