DUST Search - MMOFPS by definition

Crimson MoonV wrote:

Septem Mortuus wrote:

Aaron Atreides wrote:

Tony Calif wrote:

@snake
Mostly right, just the bit about getting bonuses in other games. I agree you get to choose, but it is always from a limited selection (cod4 example -stoping power vs juggernaut).
Dust allows us to stack all the bonuses. New guys get destroyed, and I see this causing trouble down the line.

Ok, If this was just a FPS then I would get this argument and agree with you. But this is also a MMO. Almost all if not all MMO's have skill points, as you progress in the game an beat content or players you get more skill points, these are applied to many different categories to improve your avatar. In our case we use them on weapons, gear, mods, electronics. This is how you lvl up your player, otherwise whats the point of playing a MMO. Any good MMO the longer you play the better your stats a/o gear are supposed to be. I come from DCUO which is almost two years old and new players come in all the time, they all say the same thing "I can't beat the older players" "they players who were here since it started are to far ahead of me" This is just the way of any MMO, the longer and longer you play the greater the distance you get from a starting player to a Vet player. But if you work hard and get help and play right you should get close to those Vet players. Many mmos that have expansions, will use those to help everyone not get to far ahead of each other, the time before an expansion is the time to catch up to the other players, then when expansion comes out they work towards new goals for skills.

Do you guys not get this part? Do you not understand this is a MMOFPS, really the first of its kind. So get used to this sorta thing, its going to be the norm soon enough.

Tony, amongst others have a VERY big problem with there being MMO aspect sin this game.
Seriously, do a search and he's systematically complained about and demanded the removal of pretty much EVERY aspect of this game that isn't pure FPS.

It's part of a concerted attempt to turn DUST 514 into MAG 2.0

We call them MAGgots, but in a loving way.

Conspiracy theory tbh.

There are ways to balance mmopvp. In WoW for example they only allow players of equal levels to play against each other. lvl 10 to lvl 20 plays against each and so on. If there is going to be this much of a difference in how good proto gear is over militia gear then we might need to separate the lobbies.

Of course we can't do that right now. There wouldn't be many people in the proto lobbies atm but this would be a great idea come release time. Group the lobbies based on how much SP people have.


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Aaron Atreides 140	Posted - 2012.07.16 20:22:00 - [1] - Quote PAY TO WIN wrote: Why does it matter that the truth came from wikipedia? Are you mad because it came from wikipedia or are you mad because its true? Advantages are given where there is no need.(no its called the grind of an MMO, my 100 hours vs your 10, I should have better gear) FPS is about skill not SP (Yes but you yourself pointed out that this is a MMOFPS, Skill points are a MMO norm.) keep up the weak argument that if you cant aim you cant kill.(um give me one FPS that you can't aim you can kill) the problem is RBS negates the player's ability to aim. Even with mediocre aim a guy in god armor has plenty of time to accidentily (accidentally) hit you with his proto gun. Stop defending imbalane.(imbalance, maybe you should learn to spell it first,,) Here is the thing with ANY MMO. Once you get good gear which takes time and then play a player who just started in pvp or what ever you should win, you have better attack, defense, evasion, etc with the better gear. Think about any MMO, can you walk into WOW and play a lvl 60 paladin and hope to win, NO. Go play DCUO as PS3 MMO, (as I am the godfather of Gadgets) do you think my lvl 30, T4 gear with T4 weapon is going to lose to a new lvl 30 with T1 gear, Most likely not unless you are UBER good at your class and have played before. Thats how all good MMO's play, the longer you play and the better you play the better the gear and weapons you get. Dust is the same thing, my current avatar is 16 days old, yours is 1-2 days old. I have 12 million in skill points, you have 1 million, I have Proto A/R you have Breach. I should win most of the time, give or take those random times you may win. But thats an MMO kid, thats how they all play out. This is no COD or BF or Halo where you can walk in the game and hope to play and beat the best of the best of the game. Your fooling yourself and anyone else who thinks thats what a MMO is.
Aaron Atreides 140	Posted - 2012.07.16 20:46:00 - [2] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: @snake Mostly right, just the bit about getting bonuses in other games. I agree you get to choose, but it is always from a limited selection (cod4 example -stoping power vs juggernaut). Dust allows us to stack all the bonuses. New guys get destroyed, and I see this causing trouble down the line. Ok, If this was just a FPS then I would get this argument and agree with you. But this is also a MMO. Almost all if not all MMO's have skill points, as you progress in the game an beat content or players you get more skill points, these are applied to many different categories to improve your avatar. In our case we use them on weapons, gear, mods, electronics. This is how you lvl up your player, otherwise whats the point of playing a MMO. Any good MMO the longer you play the better your stats a/o gear are supposed to be. I come from DCUO which is almost two years old and new players come in all the time, they all say the same thing "I can't beat the older players" "they players who were here since it started are to far ahead of me" This is just the way of any MMO, the longer and longer you play the greater the distance you get from a starting player to a Vet player. But if you work hard and get help and play right you should get close to those Vet players. Many mmos that have expansions, will use those to help everyone not get to far ahead of each other, the time before an expansion is the time to catch up to the other players, then when expansion comes out they work towards new goals for skills. Do you guys not get this part? Do you not understand this is a MMOFPS, really the first of its kind. So get used to this sorta thing, its going to be the norm soon enough.
Aaron Atreides 140	Posted - 2012.07.17 14:49:00 - [3] - Quote Septem Mortuus wrote: Aaron Atreides wrote: Tony Calif wrote: @snake Mostly right, just the bit about getting bonuses in other games. I agree you get to choose, but it is always from a limited selection (cod4 example -stoping power vs juggernaut). Dust allows us to stack all the bonuses. New guys get destroyed, and I see this causing trouble down the line. Ok, If this was just a FPS then I would get this argument and agree with you. But this is also a MMO. Almost all if not all MMO's have skill points, as you progress in the game an beat content or players you get more skill points, these are applied to many different categories to improve your avatar. In our case we use them on weapons, gear, mods, electronics. This is how you lvl up your player, otherwise whats the point of playing a MMO. Any good MMO the longer you play the better your stats a/o gear are supposed to be. I come from DCUO which is almost two years old and new players come in all the time, they all say the same thing "I can't beat the older players" "they players who were here since it started are to far ahead of me" This is just the way of any MMO, the longer and longer you play the greater the distance you get from a starting player to a Vet player. But if you work hard and get help and play right you should get close to those Vet players. Many mmos that have expansions, will use those to help everyone not get to far ahead of each other, the time before an expansion is the time to catch up to the other players, then when expansion comes out they work towards new goals for skills. Do you guys not get this part? Do you not understand this is a MMOFPS, really the first of its kind. So get used to this sorta thing, its going to be the norm soon enough. Tony, amongst others have a VERY big problem with there being MMO aspect sin this game. Seriously, do a search and he's systematically complained about and demanded the removal of pretty much EVERY aspect of this game that isn't pure FPS. It's part of a concerted attempt to turn DUST 514 into MAG 2.0 We call them MAGgots, but in a loving way. I dont want to go back and have to read all Tony's posts. Look I don't really care either what he has to say, CCP made a MMOFPS and most of the FPS crowd just does not get how all MMO's work. In MMO's its called "THE GRIND", where you make your avatar better and better with more skills points earned in combat. They want to drop into any battle and be able to kill anyone they want with out having to go through the grind of the MMO part of this game. Well guess what, your going to get left behind very soon. Most of us play COD, MAG, BF or what ever for the last few years, we don't want another copy of those games with a new name, we want a MMOFPS that will never need to be brought out each year, with 1-2 changes and call it a new game. Dust is changing the name of the game for FPS, when COD and BF see how much money and how good this game will be, how much do you want to bet that there is a MMO COD coming out soon afterwords.
Aaron Atreides 140	Posted - 2012.07.17 20:14:00 - [4] - Quote Crimson MoonV wrote: Septem Mortuus wrote: Aaron Atreides wrote: Tony Calif wrote: @snake Mostly right, just the bit about getting bonuses in other games. I agree you get to choose, but it is always from a limited selection (cod4 example -stoping power vs juggernaut). Dust allows us to stack all the bonuses. New guys get destroyed, and I see this causing trouble down the line. Ok, If this was just a FPS then I would get this argument and agree with you. But this is also a MMO. Almost all if not all MMO's have skill points, as you progress in the game an beat content or players you get more skill points, these are applied to many different categories to improve your avatar. In our case we use them on weapons, gear, mods, electronics. This is how you lvl up your player, otherwise whats the point of playing a MMO. Any good MMO the longer you play the better your stats a/o gear are supposed to be. I come from DCUO which is almost two years old and new players come in all the time, they all say the same thing "I can't beat the older players" "they players who were here since it started are to far ahead of me" This is just the way of any MMO, the longer and longer you play the greater the distance you get from a starting player to a Vet player. But if you work hard and get help and play right you should get close to those Vet players. Many mmos that have expansions, will use those to help everyone not get to far ahead of each other, the time before an expansion is the time to catch up to the other players, then when expansion comes out they work towards new goals for skills. Do you guys not get this part? Do you not understand this is a MMOFPS, really the first of its kind. So get used to this sorta thing, its going to be the norm soon enough. Tony, amongst others have a VERY big problem with there being MMO aspect sin this game. Seriously, do a search and he's systematically complained about and demanded the removal of pretty much EVERY aspect of this game that isn't pure FPS. It's part of a concerted attempt to turn DUST 514 into MAG 2.0 We call them MAGgots, but in a loving way. Conspiracy theory tbh. There are ways to balance mmopvp. In WoW for example they only allow players of equal levels to play against each other. lvl 10 to lvl 20 plays against each and so on. If there is going to be this much of a difference in how good proto gear is over militia gear then we might need to separate the lobbies. Of course we can't do that right now. There wouldn't be many people in the proto lobbies atm but this would be a great idea come release time. Group the lobbies based on how much SP people have. Actually a lot of players, myself included wont be in the same playing area as the newer players. We will be in High and Low secs and wont really play each other. Also some MMO's dont separate out players of different lvl's. If you que for something like PvP (Corp vs Corp) then you need to bring your A-game. But I expect only the good corps to be doing this. Also they will have PvE for new players to get better skill points in to help them out.
Aaron Atreides 140	Posted - 2012.07.17 20:41:00 - [5] - Quote [/quote] It doesn't matter what you are going to be doing. That fact of the matter is that there will be people in proto gear farming on noobs in the noob game modes and potentially driving away a large portion of the player base because of the imbalance.[/quote] A few things about this, if there is a player with Proto gear going around killing new players then they are worthless players in the first place. There will also be Proto players on your team, have them go hunting for the other proto player. Or do like we do, call out that player, anyone sees them you send hunters to go frag that guy. Its not hard to do.. You are worrying about the new players of a MMOFPS, if you play this game then you will progress and get better and better. I hate to say it but you can't worry about them, you need to worry about yourself and your corp. Thats it!! I come from DCUO and Vets play noobs every single day, do they whine and QQ about it, nope not one bit. They understand and so will our new players that this is MMO and you need to work to get better gear. This is not COD or BF or MAG, stop thinking that it is. If a player leaves and wont come back because of a few battles with guys with better gear or weapons, then good those were not the players we wanted to play this soon to be great game. Look I know all of you FPS kids think this is BS, but for MMO players this is just the normal setup we all go through, your imagining what its going to be like, but really you have no idea yet. Remember this is only 10% of the game so far..