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Major Assitch wrote:

Sojuro Ryo wrote:

Major Assitch wrote:

Need lots of work before release! In all the games i've played and all the betas i've been in i don't remember ever experiencing such poorly designed +ánd sloppy controls. Slow response, poor mapping, too many buttons need pushed to complete an action...these are a few of the things that immediately come to mind.

Everyone knows that cont]rols can make or break a fps and right now these controls are breaking this one!

R1 is too many buttons to fire? L2 is one too many to throw a grenade? Agreed with the slow response but the rest is incorrect.

Read my last post, it explains better what i mean. I had written a detailed description but it was lost and i wont go through it again...its difficult to post from this tablet.

No, one button motions isn't too much. It's the way the first action must be completely stopped before being able to make the next action. Should be able to sprint straight out of crouch instead of stopping, standing and then sprinting, for example. With grenades, we should be able to let off R1 and move immediately to L2 to toss one...smooth and fluid. Now we must completely stop firing, wait and then hit L2 to throw a nade...it's just not fluid.

I guess I'm just not explaining well.

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Major Assitch Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 103	Posted - 2012.07.14 18:10:00 - [1] - Quote Need lots of work before release! In all the games i've played and all the betas i've been in i don't remember ever experiencing such poorly designed +ánd sloppy controls. Slow response, poor mapping, too many buttons need pushed to complete an action...these are a few of the things that immediately come to mind. Everyone knows that cont]rols can make or break a fps and right now these controls are breaking this one!
EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1012	Posted - 2012.07.14 18:23:00 - [2] - Quote For you maybe For me the controls are fine and i have no problem with any of them now
Varys Targaryen 200	Posted - 2012.07.14 18:31:00 - [3] - Quote Yeah, I remember when I first played the beta, I felt like the control configuration was awkward for me. But I got used to it. I think the devs are working on letting us configure our own control set up (or something like that). The responsiveness of certain controls will hopefully improve as we near opening day.
W0olley Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 242	Posted - 2012.07.14 18:45:00 - [4] - Quote Player movements do feel like crap and R2 is really wonky and needs to work a lot more reliably.
Major Assitch Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 103	Posted - 2012.07.14 18:45:00 - [5] - Quote EnglishSnake wrote: For you maybe For me the controls are fine and i have no problem with any of them now Surely you're joking. How could anyone be happy with the current state? I know there is still much work to be done before release and that's why i keep playing. But if the game releases with these sloppy controls i won't bother with it. Slow response is just one of the many issues. A few others include: Can't sprint out of crouch...must stand first, then sprint. Can't jump out of sprint. Can't scope in and out while firing. Throwing grenades requires u to stop firing and then throw...very sowly. This is a starter list of issues with the clunky controls. Only the things that immediately spring to mind, there are several other small details I'm not bothering to mention here. Of course I do unddrstand this is beta and things can be much better by release...I just hope they are better.
Boss Dirge Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 71	Posted - 2012.07.14 18:46:00 - [6] - Quote EnglishSnake wrote: For you maybe For me the controls are fine and i have no problem with any of them now Same here man.
Major Assitch Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 103	Posted - 2012.07.14 18:52:00 - [7] - Quote Boss Dirge wrote: EnglishSnake wrote: For you maybe For me the controls are fine and i have no problem with any of them now Same here man. LOL! If u guys are serious then you must be used to playing some really bad games. Glad you're happy with this garbage. I however, expect better from shooters. I would be completely irate if I bought a game released in this pathetic condition.
RolyatDerTeufel D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION 1648	Posted - 2012.07.14 18:53:00 - [8] - Quote EnglishSnake wrote: For you maybe For me the controls are fine and i have no problem with any of them now
RolyatDerTeufel D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION 1648	Posted - 2012.07.14 18:54:00 - [9] - Quote Major Assitch wrote: Boss Dirge wrote: EnglishSnake wrote: For you maybe For me the controls are fine and i have no problem with any of them now Same here man. LOL! If u guys are serious then you must be used to playing some really bad games. Glad you're happy with this garbage. I however, expect better from shooters. I would be completely irate if I bought a game released in this pathetic condition. what makes it pathetic? What's so wrong with the controls? and wrong section for your controls feedback
xprotoman23 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1452	Posted - 2012.07.14 18:56:00 - [10] - Quote i've been preaching about the sloppy/unresponsive controls since two months ago.

Major Assitch Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 103	Posted - 2012.07.14 19:59:00 - [11] - Quote RolyatDerTeufel wrote: Major Assitch wrote: Boss Dirge wrote: EnglishSnake wrote: For you maybe For me the controls are fine and i have no problem with any of them now Same here man. LOL! If u guys are serious then you must be used to playing some really bad games. Glad you're happy with this garbage. I however, expect better from shooters. I would be completely irate if I bought a game released in this pathetic condition. what makes it pathetic? What's so wrong with the controls? and wrong section for your controls feedback I just wrote a long description of the details that plague the controls but it got lost somehow when trying to post. I won't do it again. Let me just say that other than the obvious slow response and jankiness (word?) Of the controls there are many problems with the fluidnes and smoothness of actions. Any change of the current action requires a complete stop of the action and then a call for the next action. Its clunky. We should be able to smoothly move from one action to the next without a complete stop of the first action. Smooth, fluid and seemless...that's how controls should work in shooters. Sorry for the LOL earlier, i thought u were being sarcastic s+áying u had no issues with the current controls. I know i mentioned mapping before but its not nearly as big an issue as other things. I +ºan adapt to new control mapping even though i prefer games to allow custom mapping or mapping options at least. Sloppy, clunky, slow and all around janky controls though will keep me from playing a game and i no I'm not alone in that. Hopefully things improve over time as I expect they will.
Sojuro Ryo Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 189	Posted - 2012.07.14 20:03:00 - [12] - Quote Major Assitch wrote: Need lots of work before release! In all the games i've played and all the betas i've been in i don't remember ever experiencing such poorly designed +ánd sloppy controls. Slow response, poor mapping, too many buttons need pushed to complete an action...these are a few of the things that immediately come to mind. Everyone knows that cont]rols can make or break a fps and right now these controls are breaking this one! R1 is too many buttons to fire? L2 is one too many to throw a grenade? Agreed with the slow response but the rest is incorrect.
Genhawkk Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 19	Posted - 2012.07.14 20:11:00 - [13] - Quote xprotoman23 wrote: i've been preaching about the sloppy/unresponsive controls since two months ago. Can't say much on these forums without being called a "COD Fanboy" or 'Go back to COD"..... Hopefully CCP knows they need to have better controls / responsiveness or maybe its just the beta client or something like that? These forums remind me of the SWTOR forums during beta, anyone who tried to voice their opinion or take about an aspect of the game that needs work immediately got flamed to all hell! LOL GO BACK TO COD LOL xxxxxxxxx LOL
xprotoman23 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1452	Posted - 2012.07.14 20:12:00 - [14] - Quote Genhawkk wrote: xprotoman23 wrote: i've been preaching about the sloppy/unresponsive controls since two months ago. Can't say much on these forums without being called a "COD Fanboy" or 'Go back to COD"..... Hopefully CCP knows they need to have better controls / responsiveness or maybe its just the beta client or something like that? These forums remind me of the SWTOR forums during beta, anyone who tried to voice their opinion or take about an aspect of the game that needs work immediately got flamed to all hell! LOL GO BACK TO COD LOL xxxxxxxxx LOL controls have been unresponsive since april and slow since april.
Major Assitch Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 103	Posted - 2012.07.14 20:14:00 - [15] - Quote Sojuro Ryo wrote: Major Assitch wrote: Need lots of work before release! In all the games i've played and all the betas i've been in i don't remember ever experiencing such poorly designed +ánd sloppy controls. Slow response, poor mapping, too many buttons need pushed to complete an action...these are a few of the things that immediately come to mind. Everyone knows that cont]rols can make or break a fps and right now these controls are breaking this one! R1 is too many buttons to fire? L2 is one too many to throw a grenade? Agreed with the slow response but the rest is incorrect. Read my last post, it explains better what i mean. I had written a detailed description but it was lost and i wont go through it again...its difficult to post from this tablet. No, one button motions isn't too much. It's the way the first action must be completely stopped before being able to make the next action. Should be able to sprint straight out of crouch instead of stopping, standing and then sprinting, for example. With grenades, we should be able to let off R1 and move immediately to L2 to toss one...smooth and fluid. Now we must completely stop firing, wait and then hit L2 to throw a nade...it's just not fluid. I guess I'm just not explaining well.
Major Assitch Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 103	Posted - 2012.07.14 20:21:00 - [16] - Quote Genhawkk wrote: xprotoman23 wrote: i've been preaching about the sloppy/unresponsive controls since two months ago. Can't say much on these forums without being called a "COD Fanboy" or 'Go back to COD"..... Hopefully CCP knows they need to have better controls / responsiveness or maybe its just the beta client or something like that? These forums remind me of the SWTOR forums during beta, anyone who tried to voice their opinion or take about an aspect of the game that needs work immediately got flamed to all hell! LOL GO BACK TO COD LOL xxxxxxxxx LOL Its that way in all beta forums. Like some people expect we should never mention anything we think could be improved and the developers just have some crystal ball or esp that will help them magically give us a perfect game on release. Its just the nature of the beast. Some folks don't seem to understand that its the feedback during beta that helps developers make a better game. The term constructive criticism is alien to some people i guess.
Genhawkk Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 19	Posted - 2012.07.14 20:24:00 - [17] - Quote Major Assitch wrote: Sojuro Ryo wrote: Major Assitch wrote: Need lots of work before release! In all the games i've played and all the betas i've been in i don't remember ever experiencing such poorly designed +ánd sloppy controls. Slow response, poor mapping, too many buttons need pushed to complete an action...these are a few of the things that immediately come to mind. Everyone knows that cont]rols can make or break a fps and right now these controls are breaking this one! R1 is too many buttons to fire? L2 is one too many to throw a grenade? Agreed with the slow response but the rest is incorrect. Read my last post, it explains better what i mean. I had written a detailed description but it was lost and i wont go through it again...its difficult to post from this tablet. No, one button motions isn't too much. It's the way the first action must be completely stopped before being able to make the next action. Should be able to sprint straight out of crouch instead of stopping, standing and then sprinting, for example. With grenades, we should be able to let off R1 and move immediately to L2 to toss one...smooth and fluid. Now we must completely stop firing, wait and then hit L2 to throw a nade...it's just not fluid. I guess I'm just not explaining well. You can explaining it just fine.... just have to ignore those who flame at the first sight of criticism becuase "GO BACK TO COD LOLxXxLOL"..... I agree with you on almost all counts and its REALLY going to be apprent when KB/M gets put in next build! You would be able to do multiple key presses as once outside of scope + shoot... I too hate the way crouch works in this game as it is extremely restricting, to a point where I almost never use it!
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2012.07.14 20:38:00 - [18] - Quote Controls do need work, especially with responsiveness, like when you just reload and it won't let you fire, or won't let you aim down sight. Stuff like running to cancel sprint and stuff I would assume will be fixed in the next build since so many people complain about it. Tapping R2 to switch weapons is annoying; sometimes when I tap it, it switches straight from my light weapon to my equipment instead of going to my sidearm. I really think weapons should have their own method for switching separate from the wheel. Maybe R2 should remain to switch weapons, and the equipment can be selected by pressing that unused button on the d-pad. I have gotten use to the controls, but they definitely need improvement.
carl von oppenheimer Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 158	Posted - 2012.07.14 21:59:00 - [19] - Quote Your so called slow grenade throwing is because if you hold the button you can cook the grenade or blow it up in your hand which ever you prefer.
Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 323	Posted - 2012.07.14 22:27:00 - [20] - Quote I feel that the controls aren't horrible,but they still need a little work.I'll go down my short list of issues. Aiming feels off sometimes.I don't know if it's the alleged auto aim that makes me reticle jump past people that I'm aiming at,or what.This doesn't happen 100% of the time,but it's very prevalent when I'm playing. Part of the last point,just overall precision seems to be just a tad bit lacking.I don't feel the smoothness when trying to be super precise when I'm aiming at someone at a medium distance. I think there should be separate X and Y axis sensitivities.I like my rotation to be pretty fast,but I generally keep my pitch quite a bit lower. Seems like the grenades are pretty slow for the most part,and I thought that I would like the grenade cooking,but it pretty much sucks,as that the second that you pull a grenade out,it automatically starts cooking it.This should be changed.You should be able to run around with a grenade in your hand without fear of it blowing up in your face.I guess this is one of the reasons why there are so many people running around using REs as grenades now. My number one biggest gripe is that you completely lose sprint speed once you try to strafe.I'm not advocating a full sprint while strafing,but if you are springing straight forward and you go into a strafe,at least let us maintain some speed.I would be happy if it was a speed that was mid way between your normal walking speed and a full sprint. Other than that,I have no problems with the control layout or much anything else.Like I said before,it's not terrible,but I think it needs just a little bit of minor tweaks.

Sw3RvE 25	Posted - 2012.07.14 22:31:00 - [21] - Quote The only control i would change is the acceleration and steering being on ONE analog stick. Unless the controls change when you train in this, which i doubt they do... then steering should be done with the left analog stick and accelerating and braking should be done with L2 and R2.
Kosen Driago WarRavens 25	Posted - 2012.07.14 22:42:00 - [22] - Quote I like the controls. I dont think they should be changed at all. Being able to go prone would be nice, though I dont have much problem with not having the ability (maybe it could be a puchaced skill?). Movement speed can be upgraded, so no issues there. I do wish grenade throwing speed was faster or could at least be upgraded, and i think there's a little too much lag when tapping R2 to switch weapons and even holding R2 for the quick select menu takes a little too long in my opinion.
Neon Crush Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 7	Posted - 2012.07.14 22:42:00 - [23] - Quote So far the only people saying "go back to COD" in this thread are the people saying that's all that happens. Everyone else has either agreed with the OP or stated the controls do not bother them. Just because they are disagreeing with the OP doesn't mean they are telling him to go back to COD. OP I agree that the controls are sluggish and need work. Crouch to run, equipment selection, grenade throwing all need a bit of tweaking.
Genhawkk Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 19	Posted - 2012.07.15 00:44:00 - [24] - Quote Neon Crush wrote: So far the only people saying "go back to COD" in this thread are the people saying that's all that happens. Everyone else has either agreed with the OP or stated the controls do not bother them. Just because they are disagreeing with the OP doesn't mean they are telling him to go back to COD. OP I agree that the controls are sluggish and need work. Crouch to run, equipment selection, grenade throwing all need a bit of tweaking. Should read the forums before commenting on sometehing you obviously did not comprehend.... My reference (and context if you can comprehend) was to the forums in general and not the thread! Good job reading, did you hit level 5 in that skill?
OnsIaught Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 112	Posted - 2012.07.15 01:18:00 - [25] - Quote I said the same thing OP but EVE players QQ. They are used to point and click games and don't have the hand-eye coordination so they are okay with terrible controllers.
Derek Barnes ZionTCD Legacy Rising 340	Posted - 2012.07.15 01:37:00 - [26] - Quote Th3rdSun wrote: Seems like the grenades are pretty slow for the most part,and I thought that I would like the grenade cooking,but it pretty much sucks,as that the second that you pull a grenade out,it automatically starts cooking it.This should be changed.You should be able to run around with a grenade in your hand without fear of it blowing up in your face.I guess this is one of the reasons why there are so many people running around using REs as grenades now. I use both grenades and remote explosives. AV grenades for that matter. It get alot of grenade kills, they don't seem slow to me GÇôZionTCD
chippythemad 1	Posted - 2012.07.15 02:32:00 - [27] - Quote Gonna have to agree here, not having the ability to just hold crouch for when you need it is pretty annoying. The only other thing that I found at time testy was having to switch between primary and secondary weapons with two buttons (switch and then select) rather than just switching as soon as I press the buttons.
ALM1GHTY STATIUS 138	Posted - 2012.07.15 02:34:00 - [28] - Quote controls are fine. I think the R2 to swap def. needs some improvement considering how little it takes to pop up dat menu and ruin my fight.
Derek Barnes ZionTCD Legacy Rising 340	Posted - 2012.07.15 02:36:00 - [29] - Quote Major Assitch wrote: Can't scope in and out while firing. Throwing grenades requires u to stop firing and then throw...very sowly. You can scope in and out while firing and of course you need to stop firing to throw a grenade it wouldn't make since if you could shoot and throw a grenade. The only time grenade throwing feels slow is when you're face to face with an enemy. Which if you're face to face with an enemy why would you be trying to throw a grenade at them instead of shooting them anyways?
Kilo Haze Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.07.15 03:14:00 - [30] - Quote I'm fine with the control mapping, I just wish the responsiveness and overall fluidity was better. Also the crotch negating other actions is just ridiculous with how standard FPS controls have become



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