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Neon Crush wrote:

Genhawkk wrote:

Neon Crush wrote:

So far the only people saying "go back to COD" in this thread are the people saying that's all that happens. Everyone else has either agreed with the OP or stated the controls do not bother them. Just because they are disagreeing with the OP doesn't mean they are telling him to go back to COD.

OP I agree that the controls are sluggish and need work. Crouch to run, equipment selection, grenade throwing all need a bit of tweaking.

Should read the forums before commenting on sometehing you obviously did not comprehend.... My reference (and context if you can comprehend) was to the forums in general and not the thread!

Good job reading, did you hit level 5 in that skill?

Genhawkk:
So much anger you have built up. Take a step back and breath for a sec I understood you just fine, you obviously missed the point of my post. Why bring up the narrow view of "go back to CoD" if it wasn't present in the thread before. You started to defend the OP from an attack he wasn't even receiving. I agree with what I believe you wanted to say I think. This isn't CoD, BF, MAG. It's Dust, and the DEVs need player feedback from everyone to make the game they want to make, so don't try to shout them out with "go back to CoD." But what you've done is just to shout back in an equally unhelpful way. So before you start asking everyone if they've maxed out their reading skills, ask yourself if what your about to type is constructive. (I train all skills to lvl 4 at least as a general rule for eve, so maybe I missed some of the big words you said.)

Everyone else:
I am a 9 year eve player and i agree the controls are **** and FPS mechanics need more work. I am scared that they are saying a August release for the game. As an eve player i want this game to succeed as it will effect the game I have been playing for nearly a decade.

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Major Assitch Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 103	Posted - 2012.07.14 18:10:00 - [1] - Quote Need lots of work before release! In all the games i've played and all the betas i've been in i don't remember ever experiencing such poorly designed +ánd sloppy controls. Slow response, poor mapping, too many buttons need pushed to complete an action...these are a few of the things that immediately come to mind. Everyone knows that cont]rols can make or break a fps and right now these controls are breaking this one!
EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1012	Posted - 2012.07.14 18:23:00 - [2] - Quote For you maybe For me the controls are fine and i have no problem with any of them now
Varys Targaryen 200	Posted - 2012.07.14 18:31:00 - [3] - Quote Yeah, I remember when I first played the beta, I felt like the control configuration was awkward for me. But I got used to it. I think the devs are working on letting us configure our own control set up (or something like that). The responsiveness of certain controls will hopefully improve as we near opening day.
W0olley Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 242	Posted - 2012.07.14 18:45:00 - [4] - Quote Player movements do feel like crap and R2 is really wonky and needs to work a lot more reliably.
Major Assitch Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 103	Posted - 2012.07.14 18:45:00 - [5] - Quote EnglishSnake wrote: For you maybe For me the controls are fine and i have no problem with any of them now Surely you're joking. How could anyone be happy with the current state? I know there is still much work to be done before release and that's why i keep playing. But if the game releases with these sloppy controls i won't bother with it. Slow response is just one of the many issues. A few others include: Can't sprint out of crouch...must stand first, then sprint. Can't jump out of sprint. Can't scope in and out while firing. Throwing grenades requires u to stop firing and then throw...very sowly. This is a starter list of issues with the clunky controls. Only the things that immediately spring to mind, there are several other small details I'm not bothering to mention here. Of course I do unddrstand this is beta and things can be much better by release...I just hope they are better.
Boss Dirge Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 71	Posted - 2012.07.14 18:46:00 - [6] - Quote EnglishSnake wrote: For you maybe For me the controls are fine and i have no problem with any of them now Same here man.
Major Assitch Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 103	Posted - 2012.07.14 18:52:00 - [7] - Quote Boss Dirge wrote: EnglishSnake wrote: For you maybe For me the controls are fine and i have no problem with any of them now Same here man. LOL! If u guys are serious then you must be used to playing some really bad games. Glad you're happy with this garbage. I however, expect better from shooters. I would be completely irate if I bought a game released in this pathetic condition.
RolyatDerTeufel D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION 1648	Posted - 2012.07.14 18:53:00 - [8] - Quote EnglishSnake wrote: For you maybe For me the controls are fine and i have no problem with any of them now
RolyatDerTeufel D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION 1648	Posted - 2012.07.14 18:54:00 - [9] - Quote Major Assitch wrote: Boss Dirge wrote: EnglishSnake wrote: For you maybe For me the controls are fine and i have no problem with any of them now Same here man. LOL! If u guys are serious then you must be used to playing some really bad games. Glad you're happy with this garbage. I however, expect better from shooters. I would be completely irate if I bought a game released in this pathetic condition. what makes it pathetic? What's so wrong with the controls? and wrong section for your controls feedback
xprotoman23 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1452	Posted - 2012.07.14 18:56:00 - [10] - Quote i've been preaching about the sloppy/unresponsive controls since two months ago.

Major Assitch Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 103	Posted - 2012.07.14 19:59:00 - [11] - Quote RolyatDerTeufel wrote: Major Assitch wrote: Boss Dirge wrote: EnglishSnake wrote: For you maybe For me the controls are fine and i have no problem with any of them now Same here man. LOL! If u guys are serious then you must be used to playing some really bad games. Glad you're happy with this garbage. I however, expect better from shooters. I would be completely irate if I bought a game released in this pathetic condition. what makes it pathetic? What's so wrong with the controls? and wrong section for your controls feedback I just wrote a long description of the details that plague the controls but it got lost somehow when trying to post. I won't do it again. Let me just say that other than the obvious slow response and jankiness (word?) Of the controls there are many problems with the fluidnes and smoothness of actions. Any change of the current action requires a complete stop of the action and then a call for the next action. Its clunky. We should be able to smoothly move from one action to the next without a complete stop of the first action. Smooth, fluid and seemless...that's how controls should work in shooters. Sorry for the LOL earlier, i thought u were being sarcastic s+áying u had no issues with the current controls. I know i mentioned mapping before but its not nearly as big an issue as other things. I +ºan adapt to new control mapping even though i prefer games to allow custom mapping or mapping options at least. Sloppy, clunky, slow and all around janky controls though will keep me from playing a game and i no I'm not alone in that. Hopefully things improve over time as I expect they will.
Sojuro Ryo Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 189	Posted - 2012.07.14 20:03:00 - [12] - Quote Major Assitch wrote: Need lots of work before release! In all the games i've played and all the betas i've been in i don't remember ever experiencing such poorly designed +ánd sloppy controls. Slow response, poor mapping, too many buttons need pushed to complete an action...these are a few of the things that immediately come to mind. Everyone knows that cont]rols can make or break a fps and right now these controls are breaking this one! R1 is too many buttons to fire? L2 is one too many to throw a grenade? Agreed with the slow response but the rest is incorrect.
Genhawkk Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 19	Posted - 2012.07.14 20:11:00 - [13] - Quote xprotoman23 wrote: i've been preaching about the sloppy/unresponsive controls since two months ago. Can't say much on these forums without being called a "COD Fanboy" or 'Go back to COD"..... Hopefully CCP knows they need to have better controls / responsiveness or maybe its just the beta client or something like that? These forums remind me of the SWTOR forums during beta, anyone who tried to voice their opinion or take about an aspect of the game that needs work immediately got flamed to all hell! LOL GO BACK TO COD LOL xxxxxxxxx LOL
xprotoman23 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1452	Posted - 2012.07.14 20:12:00 - [14] - Quote Genhawkk wrote: xprotoman23 wrote: i've been preaching about the sloppy/unresponsive controls since two months ago. Can't say much on these forums without being called a "COD Fanboy" or 'Go back to COD"..... Hopefully CCP knows they need to have better controls / responsiveness or maybe its just the beta client or something like that? These forums remind me of the SWTOR forums during beta, anyone who tried to voice their opinion or take about an aspect of the game that needs work immediately got flamed to all hell! LOL GO BACK TO COD LOL xxxxxxxxx LOL controls have been unresponsive since april and slow since april.
Major Assitch Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 103	Posted - 2012.07.14 20:14:00 - [15] - Quote Sojuro Ryo wrote: Major Assitch wrote: Need lots of work before release! In all the games i've played and all the betas i've been in i don't remember ever experiencing such poorly designed +ánd sloppy controls. Slow response, poor mapping, too many buttons need pushed to complete an action...these are a few of the things that immediately come to mind. Everyone knows that cont]rols can make or break a fps and right now these controls are breaking this one! R1 is too many buttons to fire? L2 is one too many to throw a grenade? Agreed with the slow response but the rest is incorrect. Read my last post, it explains better what i mean. I had written a detailed description but it was lost and i wont go through it again...its difficult to post from this tablet. No, one button motions isn't too much. It's the way the first action must be completely stopped before being able to make the next action. Should be able to sprint straight out of crouch instead of stopping, standing and then sprinting, for example. With grenades, we should be able to let off R1 and move immediately to L2 to toss one...smooth and fluid. Now we must completely stop firing, wait and then hit L2 to throw a nade...it's just not fluid. I guess I'm just not explaining well.
Major Assitch Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 103	Posted - 2012.07.14 20:21:00 - [16] - Quote Genhawkk wrote: xprotoman23 wrote: i've been preaching about the sloppy/unresponsive controls since two months ago. Can't say much on these forums without being called a "COD Fanboy" or 'Go back to COD"..... Hopefully CCP knows they need to have better controls / responsiveness or maybe its just the beta client or something like that? These forums remind me of the SWTOR forums during beta, anyone who tried to voice their opinion or take about an aspect of the game that needs work immediately got flamed to all hell! LOL GO BACK TO COD LOL xxxxxxxxx LOL Its that way in all beta forums. Like some people expect we should never mention anything we think could be improved and the developers just have some crystal ball or esp that will help them magically give us a perfect game on release. Its just the nature of the beast. Some folks don't seem to understand that its the feedback during beta that helps developers make a better game. The term constructive criticism is alien to some people i guess.
Genhawkk Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 19	Posted - 2012.07.14 20:24:00 - [17] - Quote Major Assitch wrote: Sojuro Ryo wrote: Major Assitch wrote: Need lots of work before release! In all the games i've played and all the betas i've been in i don't remember ever experiencing such poorly designed +ánd sloppy controls. Slow response, poor mapping, too many buttons need pushed to complete an action...these are a few of the things that immediately come to mind. Everyone knows that cont]rols can make or break a fps and right now these controls are breaking this one! R1 is too many buttons to fire? L2 is one too many to throw a grenade? Agreed with the slow response but the rest is incorrect. Read my last post, it explains better what i mean. I had written a detailed description but it was lost and i wont go through it again...its difficult to post from this tablet. No, one button motions isn't too much. It's the way the first action must be completely stopped before being able to make the next action. Should be able to sprint straight out of crouch instead of stopping, standing and then sprinting, for example. With grenades, we should be able to let off R1 and move immediately to L2 to toss one...smooth and fluid. Now we must completely stop firing, wait and then hit L2 to throw a nade...it's just not fluid. I guess I'm just not explaining well. You can explaining it just fine.... just have to ignore those who flame at the first sight of criticism becuase "GO BACK TO COD LOLxXxLOL"..... I agree with you on almost all counts and its REALLY going to be apprent when KB/M gets put in next build! You would be able to do multiple key presses as once outside of scope + shoot... I too hate the way crouch works in this game as it is extremely restricting, to a point where I almost never use it!
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 3064	Posted - 2012.07.14 20:38:00 - [18] - Quote Controls do need work, especially with responsiveness, like when you just reload and it won't let you fire, or won't let you aim down sight. Stuff like running to cancel sprint and stuff I would assume will be fixed in the next build since so many people complain about it. Tapping R2 to switch weapons is annoying; sometimes when I tap it, it switches straight from my light weapon to my equipment instead of going to my sidearm. I really think weapons should have their own method for switching separate from the wheel. Maybe R2 should remain to switch weapons, and the equipment can be selected by pressing that unused button on the d-pad. I have gotten use to the controls, but they definitely need improvement.
carl von oppenheimer Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 158	Posted - 2012.07.14 21:59:00 - [19] - Quote Your so called slow grenade throwing is because if you hold the button you can cook the grenade or blow it up in your hand which ever you prefer.
Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 323	Posted - 2012.07.14 22:27:00 - [20] - Quote I feel that the controls aren't horrible,but they still need a little work.I'll go down my short list of issues. Aiming feels off sometimes.I don't know if it's the alleged auto aim that makes me reticle jump past people that I'm aiming at,or what.This doesn't happen 100% of the time,but it's very prevalent when I'm playing. Part of the last point,just overall precision seems to be just a tad bit lacking.I don't feel the smoothness when trying to be super precise when I'm aiming at someone at a medium distance. I think there should be separate X and Y axis sensitivities.I like my rotation to be pretty fast,but I generally keep my pitch quite a bit lower. Seems like the grenades are pretty slow for the most part,and I thought that I would like the grenade cooking,but it pretty much sucks,as that the second that you pull a grenade out,it automatically starts cooking it.This should be changed.You should be able to run around with a grenade in your hand without fear of it blowing up in your face.I guess this is one of the reasons why there are so many people running around using REs as grenades now. My number one biggest gripe is that you completely lose sprint speed once you try to strafe.I'm not advocating a full sprint while strafing,but if you are springing straight forward and you go into a strafe,at least let us maintain some speed.I would be happy if it was a speed that was mid way between your normal walking speed and a full sprint. Other than that,I have no problems with the control layout or much anything else.Like I said before,it's not terrible,but I think it needs just a little bit of minor tweaks.

Sw3RvE 25	Posted - 2012.07.14 22:31:00 - [21] - Quote The only control i would change is the acceleration and steering being on ONE analog stick. Unless the controls change when you train in this, which i doubt they do... then steering should be done with the left analog stick and accelerating and braking should be done with L2 and R2.
Kosen Driago WarRavens 25	Posted - 2012.07.14 22:42:00 - [22] - Quote I like the controls. I dont think they should be changed at all. Being able to go prone would be nice, though I dont have much problem with not having the ability (maybe it could be a puchaced skill?). Movement speed can be upgraded, so no issues there. I do wish grenade throwing speed was faster or could at least be upgraded, and i think there's a little too much lag when tapping R2 to switch weapons and even holding R2 for the quick select menu takes a little too long in my opinion.
Neon Crush Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 7	Posted - 2012.07.14 22:42:00 - [23] - Quote So far the only people saying "go back to COD" in this thread are the people saying that's all that happens. Everyone else has either agreed with the OP or stated the controls do not bother them. Just because they are disagreeing with the OP doesn't mean they are telling him to go back to COD. OP I agree that the controls are sluggish and need work. Crouch to run, equipment selection, grenade throwing all need a bit of tweaking.
Genhawkk Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 19	Posted - 2012.07.15 00:44:00 - [24] - Quote Neon Crush wrote: So far the only people saying "go back to COD" in this thread are the people saying that's all that happens. Everyone else has either agreed with the OP or stated the controls do not bother them. Just because they are disagreeing with the OP doesn't mean they are telling him to go back to COD. OP I agree that the controls are sluggish and need work. Crouch to run, equipment selection, grenade throwing all need a bit of tweaking. Should read the forums before commenting on sometehing you obviously did not comprehend.... My reference (and context if you can comprehend) was to the forums in general and not the thread! Good job reading, did you hit level 5 in that skill?
OnsIaught Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 112	Posted - 2012.07.15 01:18:00 - [25] - Quote I said the same thing OP but EVE players QQ. They are used to point and click games and don't have the hand-eye coordination so they are okay with terrible controllers.
Derek Barnes ZionTCD Legacy Rising 340	Posted - 2012.07.15 01:37:00 - [26] - Quote Th3rdSun wrote: Seems like the grenades are pretty slow for the most part,and I thought that I would like the grenade cooking,but it pretty much sucks,as that the second that you pull a grenade out,it automatically starts cooking it.This should be changed.You should be able to run around with a grenade in your hand without fear of it blowing up in your face.I guess this is one of the reasons why there are so many people running around using REs as grenades now. I use both grenades and remote explosives. AV grenades for that matter. It get alot of grenade kills, they don't seem slow to me GÇôZionTCD
chippythemad 1	Posted - 2012.07.15 02:32:00 - [27] - Quote Gonna have to agree here, not having the ability to just hold crouch for when you need it is pretty annoying. The only other thing that I found at time testy was having to switch between primary and secondary weapons with two buttons (switch and then select) rather than just switching as soon as I press the buttons.
ALM1GHTY STATIUS 138	Posted - 2012.07.15 02:34:00 - [28] - Quote controls are fine. I think the R2 to swap def. needs some improvement considering how little it takes to pop up dat menu and ruin my fight.
Derek Barnes ZionTCD Legacy Rising 340	Posted - 2012.07.15 02:36:00 - [29] - Quote Major Assitch wrote: Can't scope in and out while firing. Throwing grenades requires u to stop firing and then throw...very sowly. You can scope in and out while firing and of course you need to stop firing to throw a grenade it wouldn't make since if you could shoot and throw a grenade. The only time grenade throwing feels slow is when you're face to face with an enemy. Which if you're face to face with an enemy why would you be trying to throw a grenade at them instead of shooting them anyways?
Kilo Haze Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.07.15 03:14:00 - [30] - Quote I'm fine with the control mapping, I just wish the responsiveness and overall fluidity was better. Also the crotch negating other actions is just ridiculous with how standard FPS controls have become

GSP GoTSoMePoT Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 43	Posted - 2012.07.15 03:25:00 - [31] - Quote The problem with the game is the Key controles for the Console Controler . They are for the KB/M and not for the Console Controler. Thats way DICE sent over some DEV. to help with this. You got to cut some of the fat off the KB/M commands befor you can add it to the Console Controler. Wen bring a PC game to Console this has to be done. This gives you multi action button commands and toggel menus.
ROIZENGH Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 7	Posted - 2012.07.15 03:27:00 - [32] - Quote I'm fine with control layout however correct me if I'm wrong but you can't melee while reloading it just has to complete the reload not sure if other fps work this way but it just doesn't seem right form me i'm always having trouble trying to melee someone
Neon Crush Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 7	Posted - 2012.07.15 04:23:00 - [33] - Quote Genhawkk wrote: Neon Crush wrote: So far the only people saying "go back to COD" in this thread are the people saying that's all that happens. Everyone else has either agreed with the OP or stated the controls do not bother them. Just because they are disagreeing with the OP doesn't mean they are telling him to go back to COD. OP I agree that the controls are sluggish and need work. Crouch to run, equipment selection, grenade throwing all need a bit of tweaking. Should read the forums before commenting on sometehing you obviously did not comprehend.... My reference (and context if you can comprehend) was to the forums in general and not the thread! Good job reading, did you hit level 5 in that skill? Genhawkk: So much anger you have built up. Take a step back and breath for a sec I understood you just fine, you obviously missed the point of my post. Why bring up the narrow view of "go back to CoD" if it wasn't present in the thread before. You started to defend the OP from an attack he wasn't even receiving. I agree with what I believe you wanted to say I think. This isn't CoD, BF, MAG. It's Dust, and the DEVs need player feedback from everyone to make the game they want to make, so don't try to shout them out with "go back to CoD." But what you've done is just to shout back in an equally unhelpful way. So before you start asking everyone if they've maxed out their reading skills, ask yourself if what your about to type is constructive. (I train all skills to lvl 4 at least as a general rule for eve, so maybe I missed some of the big words you said.) Everyone else: I am a 9 year eve player and i agree the controls are **** and FPS mechanics need more work. I am scared that they are saying a August release for the game. As an eve player i want this game to succeed as it will effect the game I have been playing for nearly a decade.
EnglishSnake Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 1012	Posted - 2012.07.15 12:36:00 - [34] - Quote Major Assitch wrote: EnglishSnake wrote: For you maybe For me the controls are fine and i have no problem with any of them now Surely you're joking. How could anyone be happy with the current state? I know there is still much work to be done before release and that's why i keep playing. But if the game releases with these sloppy controls i won't bother with it. Slow response is just one of the many issues. A few others include: Can't sprint out of crouch...must stand first, then sprint. Can't jump out of sprint. Can't scope in and out while firing. Throwing grenades requires u to stop firing and then throw...very sowly. This is a starter list of issues with the clunky controls. Only the things that immediately spring to mind, there are several other small details I'm not bothering to mention here. Of course I do unddrstand this is beta and things can be much better by release...I just hope they are better. Im fine with it Seriously who crouches apart from snipers Jumping out of sprint? meh by time you jumped you wont have gone as far as you could have just sprinted tbh Cant scope in an out? really? do have trouble killing ppl? since i rarely change once i start shooting except maybe to zoom in but not to zoom out if ther already in hip firing range So you want to be able to contine using your AR while throwing a nade? lolno Clunky? for me no maybe make the actions a bit more smooth but right now as it is im fine with the controls and so used to them and i dont even think about it when playing because im so at ease
Sojuro Ryo Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 189	Posted - 2012.07.15 16:04:00 - [35] - Quote OnsIaught wrote: I said the same thing OP but EVE players QQ. They are used to point and click games and don't have the hand-eye coordination so they are okay with terrible controllers. Those very Eve players are going to be the ones who will be paying you to do mission that's unless you wuss out and only do npc missions.
Sojuro Ryo Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 189	Posted - 2012.07.15 16:07:00 - [36] - Quote Neon Crush wrote: Genhawkk wrote: Neon Crush wrote: So far the only people saying "go back to COD" in this thread are the people saying that's all that happens. Everyone else has either agreed with the OP or stated the controls do not bother them. Just because they are disagreeing with the OP doesn't mean they are telling him to go back to COD. OP I agree that the controls are sluggish and need work. Crouch to run, equipment selection, grenade throwing all need a bit of tweaking. Should read the forums before commenting on sometehing you obviously did not comprehend.... My reference (and context if you can comprehend) was to the forums in general and not the thread! Good job reading, did you hit level 5 in that skill? Genhawkk: So much anger you have built up. Take a step back and breath for a sec I understood you just fine, you obviously missed the point of my post. Why bring up the narrow view of "go back to CoD" if it wasn't present in the thread before. You started to defend the OP from an attack he wasn't even receiving. I agree with what I believe you wanted to say I think. This isn't CoD, BF, MAG. It's Dust, and the DEVs need player feedback from everyone to make the game they want to make, so don't try to shout them out with "go back to CoD." But what you've done is just to shout back in an equally unhelpful way. So before you start asking everyone if they've maxed out their reading skills, ask yourself if what your about to type is constructive. (I train all skills to lvl 4 at least as a general rule for eve, so maybe I missed some of the big words you said.) Everyone else: I am a 9 year eve player and i agree the controls are **** and FPS mechanics need more work. I am scared that they are saying a August release for the game. As an eve player i want this game to succeed as it will effect the game I have been playing for nearly a decade. And as an Eve player you should know that CCP has 3 servers for Eve; 1 is the main, 2nd for pre-patch testing, and 3rd for idea testing. We here on Dust are using the patch testing game and not the actual game.
Vane KoS 16	Posted - 2012.07.15 17:45:00 - [37] - Quote OnsIaught wrote: I said the same thing OP but EVE players QQ. They are used to point and click games and don't have the hand-eye coordination so they are okay with terrible controllers. Man we would be terrible with Ok Controls .. for me this is my first ever controller game and I am loving it (at the same time as sucking big time). I would bow to the experience of the consol kiddies on the control issue, (if they are good or bad) and look to L2P in time.
Eqyizo Friend Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.07.28 05:50:00 - [38] - Quote Reloading is a pain in the butt because you are in the heat of battle, reload, start shooting (or run) and realize you stopped reloading... Running should cancel a crouch. I can never tell where my grenade will go/how high I need to aim for it to go somewhere, and the animation/gravity of the grenade throw is way too fast. Grenades are very awkward to use. Movement itself is very sluggish, not in a Killzone way, but in a poor design way. (beta I know, but it needs to be said) If you are going to knife someone, would you slash at them? Would you slash at someone in full armor? A jabbing knife would probably be better.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.07.28 06:01:00 - [39] - Quote There are issues with the controls. It's possible, with patience, to work around those issues. That doesn't mean there aren't problems.


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