I have been saving SP for days just to be able to upgrade to the Logistics Dropship, namely the Prometheus. Upon accruing enough points and blowing a fair chunk of ISK, I realize that it has significantly less PG & CPU than the Grimsnes and even the Gorgon. Now I realize that is has a built in CRU, which I am assuming is why it has less fitting capacity. But after doing the math I've realized that these numbers have been lowered past the cost of a CRU. So, while it may be true that you are getting an an extra 200HP on your armor and an extra High Power Slot, You really can't use it for much.

It's really better to just use the standard ships since you have more fitting capacity AFTER equiping the Militia CRU than you start with when you use the Logistics Ship. True, you don't get the extra High Power slot, but you CAN equip better modules.

I don't know if this is the case with the Caldari ships, and I don't care to waste more SP finding out.

So uh, can I have my 1,000,000+ SP back? I would have been 100x better off spending that on a Marauder. Or maybe you could just not nerf the PG and CPU so much.

Man thanks for the thread...I started down this path but the more I look at it the less and less appealing it gets.I thought the mobil cru would kinda be a bonus but if the trade off is relatively the same.I was looking at that the last time I was playing and was thinking about that but hadnt broken it down mathematically to see if it was worth it....ouch bro

Yeah, I just looked at it again. I can equip the Grimsnes with a Militia CRU, a Converse Shield Booster, 2 ST-1 Missile launchers, a Polarized Armor Regenerator, Energized Nanite Plating, and 60mm Nanofibre Plates, if I use the Powergrid Expansion Unit 1. In order to equip the EXACT SAME modules (without the Militia CRU of course) on the Prometheus, I have to use a Type-G Powergrid Expansion System(which costs alot more), AND THAT'S IF I LEAVE ONE OF THE HIGH POWER SLOTS BLANK!

I really hope a DEV sees this and chimes in at some point, because I feel like I just got screwed. I think someone should have at least bought me dinner first.

[EDIT] This setup can be done on the Standard Dropship (Grimsnes) for FAR cheaper and you only lose 200 armor HP!

Does it have any other role bonuses you may have overlooked or differences in speed/mobility?

Not according to the stats. The only differences I can see are far less PG&CPU than the standard ships (even less than the militia ship), +200 Armor HP, and supposedly it has a built in Mobile CRU. And really, no amount of extra speed is going to help when it comes to swarm missiles. Especially protos, considering you get less fitting capability and only 200 more HP. Even if it were used to provide support for ground vehicles, there isn't enough power to easily use remote repair units, and it would be a sitting duck for swarms.

Really, for the SP cost and the added ISK cost of the ship, the Logistics dropships should be just as feared on the battlefield as a Sagaris. Id be willing to pay more just to have better fittings. I don't know what they were thinking when they decided to nerf the crap out of this thing.

Weak. Maybe they'll get some specific modules that are class specific.

i dunno about being as feared as a sagaris.. i think you're misunderstanding what a logistics anything is supposed to do...

but i agree that, as reported, it's ******. maybe give them a pair of built in racial reps (armor for gallente shield for caldari) and enough total hitpoints to hang.

alternately, just a heavy PG/CPU and maybe even slot layout buff, balanced out by a negative damage modifier. (sort of the opposite of what the marauders get) because again, logistics means support... not combat.


edit: also, on a more personal note. it would make no sense to start over on a new character. there's no skillpoint cap. nothing you have now will hold you back from learning anything else in the future. if anything SOME of the skill training you have now is bound to trickle down into other roles and help you out. example, i started this build as a heavy. realized it sucked and trained for other suits. but my heavies mechanics skill still gave my assault suit an armor buff. so even with the million skillpoint "waste" i'm better off than a new character.

Idea with that ship is that you fly it around the objectives or hover high high above the sky while people spawn on it and drop to take objectives.
Also try fitting repair modules on that drop ship, leave the guns and you should have plenty of room for tank.

drop ships aren't meant to be attack vessels but this smallish map turns them to a one, that larger map (crater lake) provided a lot better use for drop ships then this current map which favors tanks more.

A fix to make this ship worth it would be sweet, especially if I don't have to wait until the next patch to get it. An apology from the developers would be nice too

ISo uh, can I have my 1,000,000+ SP back?

Why do you need an apology?

We're in beta, it's our jobs to find bugs and to test out equipment and make suggestions on how to make it better.
You should have expected things like this to happen. The game is far from being complete so there's obviously going to be things that need to be buffed/nerfed etc.

erm no its a beta, your supposed to test stuff and see if it works that our jobs and in that regards well done hopefully ccp will look into this and buff the ship or they might be nerfing the other ships god knows

yah, good find but you're not getting your skillpoints back. in fact you're pretty much GUARANTEED to LOSE all your skillpoints when the game goes live anyway. sorry to be the party shitter :\

Not according to the stats. The only differences I can see are far less PG&CPU than the standard ships (even less than the militia ship), +200 Armor HP, and supposedly it has a built in Mobile CRU. And really, no amount of extra speed is going to help when it comes to swarm missiles. Especially protos, considering you get less fitting capability and only 200 more HP. Even if it were used to provide support for ground vehicles, there isn't enough power to easily use remote repair units, and it would be a sitting duck for swarms.

Really, for the SP cost and the added ISK cost of the ship, the Logistics dropships should be just as feared on the battlefield as a Sagaris. Id be willing to pay more just to have better fittings. I don't know what they were thinking when they decided to nerf the crap out of this thing.

Go throw away a million SP on something worthless and maybe you will understand. It costs almost as much to unlock this ship as it does to unlock the Sagaris. Those points don't benefit any other abilities or equipment. They only count for that ship. I worked for days to build that up since dropship pilots generally don't make a lot of points to begin with.

I could see this being unique and worth it if there was no Militia CRU. But if that option is there on all vehicles, this one should be a distinct upgrade over the previous tier.

So yeah, kinda got ripped off, so an apology would be nice. I would consider more power for the ship an excellent apology.

I have seen a drop ship outfly swarm missiles before extra speed can be worth it except you're usless as an attack craft then.

From what I understand its supposed to fit a Cloaking device as well. which is why it doesnt need as much defense in theory. But electronic warfare isnt out yet.