DUST Search - 3rd person toggle

SuperMido wrote:

Skytt Syysch wrote:

Yeah, it's not an experience thing, it's the ability to see around corners. I absolutely hate how much that gets abused in 3rd person shooters.

When I said experience, I didn't mean actual experience or skills, I meant people who are used to 3rd person will have an advantage. Basically what you're saying, maybe I wasn't too clear.

phayzr wrote:

bjorn morkai wrote:

phayzr wrote:

I am sure this may not be well received, But i wouldn't mind having a 3rd person toggle in some situations, not for actual combat, but for scanning and checking surroundings a little bit.

Could maybe even make it a skill of some sort, or item that you can deploy and get a local ( on your character ) overview

Gallente drone perhaps :)

you do realize this is a first person shooter, right?

just saying...

You realize this just isn't a first person shooter don't you, it is/will be so much more
Just saying

I suppose i mispoke when i actually said 3rd person view persay i do realize that this is an FPS, but it is also an FPS based on the eve universe and has MMO elements.

It is not entirely unreasonable to think that Space fairing conquerors with a lot of technical resources in space ( cloaking, combat drones, Warp flight etc.. ) could come up with a personal combat/survelllance drone that could be controlled remotely with a mod on the dropsuits and used by scouts for intops and even providing targetting information back to the strike force.

Scout runs and picks a location out of harms way, launches his drone and does a survey, Even around corners gasp!
relays targetting information and moves on, drones of course would be destructable. While controlling the drone the operator would be vulnerable

Just something i thought would be cool, thinking outside the box, because this is not just a FPS like COD/MAG/B3, this is a MMOFPS based on EVE and Eve is nothing if not different and exciting

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phayzr Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2012.07.09 11:26:00 - [1] - Quote I am sure this may not be well received, But i wouldn't mind having a 3rd person toggle in some situations, not for actual combat, but for scanning and checking surroundings a little bit. Could maybe even make it a skill of some sort, or item that you can deploy and get a local ( on your character ) overview Gallente drone perhaps :)
Commander Xtreme Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 31	Posted - 2012.07.09 11:28:00 - [2] - Quote phayzr wrote: I am sure this may not be well received, But i wouldn't mind having a 3rd person toggle in some situations, not for actual combat, but for scanning and checking surroundings a little bit. Could maybe even make it a skill of some sort, or item that you can deploy and get a local ( on your character ) overview Gallente drone perhaps :) 3rd person would change the whole FoV (field of view) of the game and I just don't think it would work well at all tbh. But I like the idea of a drone perhaps, or a camera drone. If you perfected that idea you could even get a Dev response? Work on it :D
Renzo Kuken Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 369	Posted - 2012.07.09 11:29:00 - [3] - Quote Commander Xtreme wrote: phayzr wrote: I am sure this may not be well received, But i wouldn't mind having a 3rd person toggle in some situations, not for actual combat, but for scanning and checking surroundings a little bit. Could maybe even make it a skill of some sort, or item that you can deploy and get a local ( on your character ) overview Gallente drone perhaps :) 3rd person would change the whole FoV (field of view) of the game and I just don't think it would work well at all tbh. But I like the idea of a drone perhaps, or a camera drone. If you perfected that idea you could even get a Dev response? Work on it :D already getting camera drones they hinted towards it with the PS vita
Commander Xtreme Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 31	Posted - 2012.07.09 11:30:00 - [4] - Quote Renzo Kuken wrote: Commander Xtreme wrote: phayzr wrote: I am sure this may not be well received, But i wouldn't mind having a 3rd person toggle in some situations, not for actual combat, but for scanning and checking surroundings a little bit. Could maybe even make it a skill of some sort, or item that you can deploy and get a local ( on your character ) overview Gallente drone perhaps :) 3rd person would change the whole FoV (field of view) of the game and I just don't think it would work well at all tbh. But I like the idea of a drone perhaps, or a camera drone. If you perfected that idea you could even get a Dev response? Work on it :D already getting camera drones they hinted towards it with the PS vita Wait what? Drones? PS Vita? Could you explain please, both of those are new to me :D
Geirskoegul Soul-Strike 134	Posted - 2012.07.09 18:25:00 - [5] - Quote Quite simply, no. It's bad enough that vehicles allow third-person view, third-person on infantry is absolutely unacceptable. You may not have magical 360 degree SA and the ability to look around corners without exposing yourself. This is not SOCOM, this game's actually GOOD (especially for a beta). As to the camera drone idea, I'd be all for it, provided that it's handled similar to the UAV in BF3 (one change, though, I don't see an issue with having it maintain station when the user closes out of the active drone control, letting it passively mark targets in view below it). This has potential for later on. I don't think it's worth the development resources at this time, but it would probably be ideal for the first expansion. EDIT: And as far as Vita integration, I think that would be awesome, but make it an option, not mandatory (otherwise it becomes a purchased feature, which isn't fair or balanced; I have a Vita, by the way, pre-ordered it in fact, so I'm not just saying this because I don't have / don't want one). I'm not really sure how to balance the massive SA advantage of it, though. If you had the Vita to control the drone, and it kept the full-screen drone view in-game, it would make it a pointless gimmick that's actually slowing you down (put down controller, pick up Vita), and if you DON"T have it make the drone screen take up the full screen, then you're letting those with Vitas know what's going on around them while they're busy controlling the drone, which would be a massive advantage over those without a Vita. I don't really see how it could be fairly balanced without making it pointless and redundant, as cool as it would be. I'm open to suggestions and discussions on this topic, though.
SuperMido Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 67	Posted - 2012.07.09 19:25:00 - [6] - Quote That would give an unfair advantage to those used to 3rd person shooters over FPS players. So, NO to that idea .
Geirskoegul Soul-Strike 134	Posted - 2012.07.09 19:33:00 - [7] - Quote SuperMido wrote: That would give an unfair advantage to those used to 3rd person shooters over FPS players. So, NO to that idea . Not about the "experience" advantage, it's about the ridiculous, cheap, unrealistic SA advantage third person view provides. Just look at the corner camping in SOCOM and PlanetSide, or the pop-tarting in MechWarrior 3 & 4. Keep third person view to the casual kiddie games, where they belong.
Skytt Syysch Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 235	Posted - 2012.07.09 19:36:00 - [8] - Quote Geirskoegul wrote: SuperMido wrote: That would give an unfair advantage to those used to 3rd person shooters over FPS players. So, NO to that idea . Not about the "experience" advantage, it's about the ridiculous, cheap, unrealistic SA advantage third person view provides. Just look at the corner camping in SOCOM and PlanetSide, or the pop-tarting in MechWarrior 3 & 4. Keep third person view to the casual kiddie games, where they belong. Yeah, it's not an experience thing, it's the ability to see around corners. I absolutely hate how much that gets abused in 3rd person shooters.
SuperMido Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 67	Posted - 2012.07.09 21:34:00 - [9] - Quote Skytt Syysch wrote: Yeah, it's not an experience thing, it's the ability to see around corners. I absolutely hate how much that gets abused in 3rd person shooters. When I said experience, I didn't mean actual experience or skills, I meant people who are used to 3rd person will have an advantage. Basically what you're saying, maybe I wasn't too clear.
bjorn morkai Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 4	Posted - 2012.07.09 22:24:00 - [10] - Quote phayzr wrote: I am sure this may not be well received, But i wouldn't mind having a 3rd person toggle in some situations, not for actual combat, but for scanning and checking surroundings a little bit. Could maybe even make it a skill of some sort, or item that you can deploy and get a local ( on your character ) overview Gallente drone perhaps :) you do realize this is a first person shooter, right? just saying...

phayzr Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2012.07.10 11:26:00 - [11] - Quote bjorn morkai wrote: phayzr wrote: I am sure this may not be well received, But i wouldn't mind having a 3rd person toggle in some situations, not for actual combat, but for scanning and checking surroundings a little bit. Could maybe even make it a skill of some sort, or item that you can deploy and get a local ( on your character ) overview Gallente drone perhaps :) you do realize this is a first person shooter, right? just saying... You realize this just isn't a first person shooter don't you, it is/will be so much more Just saying I suppose i mispoke when i actually said 3rd person view persay i do realize that this is an FPS, but it is also an FPS based on the eve universe and has MMO elements. It is not entirely unreasonable to think that Space fairing conquerors with a lot of technical resources in space ( cloaking, combat drones, Warp flight etc.. ) could come up with a personal combat/survelllance drone that could be controlled remotely with a mod on the dropsuits and used by scouts for intops and even providing targetting information back to the strike force. Scout runs and picks a location out of harms way, launches his drone and does a survey, Even around corners gasp! relays targetting information and moves on, drones of course would be destructable. While controlling the drone the operator would be vulnerable Just something i thought would be cool, thinking outside the box, because this is not just a FPS like COD/MAG/B3, this is a MMOFPS based on EVE and Eve is nothing if not different and exciting
Geirskoegul Soul-Strike 134	Posted - 2012.07.14 06:29:00 - [12] - Quote SuperMido wrote: Skytt Syysch wrote: Yeah, it's not an experience thing, it's the ability to see around corners. I absolutely hate how much that gets abused in 3rd person shooters. When I said experience, I didn't mean actual experience or skills, I meant people who are used to 3rd person will have an advantage. Basically what you're saying, maybe I wasn't too clear. Yeah, except what you're talking about, and what we're talking about, have absolutely nothing to do with experience or skills. It also has no "familiarity advantage" to speak of. It's purely the presence or absence of ridiculous abilities to see behind you and around walls without exposing yourself to view or having any way of seeing those areas. It's a massive, unrealistic, and ridiculously easily and often abused SA advantage that has no place anywhere near any game that expects to be taken seriously. phayzr wrote: bjorn morkai wrote: phayzr wrote: I am sure this may not be well received, But i wouldn't mind having a 3rd person toggle in some situations, not for actual combat, but for scanning and checking surroundings a little bit. Could maybe even make it a skill of some sort, or item that you can deploy and get a local ( on your character ) overview Gallente drone perhaps :) you do realize this is a first person shooter, right? just saying... You realize this just isn't a first person shooter don't you, it is/will be so much more Just saying I suppose i mispoke when i actually said 3rd person view persay i do realize that this is an FPS, but it is also an FPS based on the eve universe and has MMO elements. It is not entirely unreasonable to think that Space fairing conquerors with a lot of technical resources in space ( cloaking, combat drones, Warp flight etc.. ) could come up with a personal combat/survelllance drone that could be controlled remotely with a mod on the dropsuits and used by scouts for intops and even providing targetting information back to the strike force. Scout runs and picks a location out of harms way, launches his drone and does a survey, Even around corners gasp! relays targetting information and moves on, drones of course would be destructable. While controlling the drone the operator would be vulnerable Just something i thought would be cool, thinking outside the box, because this is not just a FPS like COD/MAG/B3, this is a MMOFPS based on EVE and Eve is nothing if not different and exciting I've already addressed the drone suggestion, and I think it's a good idea (it provides an exposed target, so the thing gathering that intel CAN be destroyed; third-person view would break this too, since it'd let the drone see around corners without being exposed and we're back to the original issue). The issue isn't so much seeing around corners, but seeing around corners without any indication of your presence or exposure. I'd be 100% fine with adding a mirror to the equipment slot so I can check around corners, or a gun with camera mounted on the front that I could poke around a corner (not really sure either of these would work well with Dust's pacing, though), as they provide indication and exposure, giving the guy around the corner the chance to know you're there. TPV gives you the same view, without the exposure, the end result being that you're effectively looking THROUGH walls.


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