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TabbieKat
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Posted - 2012.07.09 04:23:00 -
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Dust is looking like it is coming out well and well i do know that a lot of stuff will be fixed in the coming weeks and months before it is released to the general public. My reason for this post is to try to get the gimmicky players to stop before stuff gets nurfed. Valid tactics and strategies are going to be lost because you use Remote Explosives as grenades. I mean come on, when have you EVER seen a solider throw a block of C-4 at someone and then detonate it. Using it in a spawn point to kill people as they come in is a good way to use it. Annoying but it is being used correctly. I also know if friendly fire is introduced Remote explosives used as grenades will decline, but in the mean time they will get nurfed and will not be worth it.
Dropship pilots.... DO YOUR JOB. Your job is not to fly around and look for people to squash and your job is not to set up on a tower or building and fire down. You are suppose to pick people up and drop them off and also provide air support though flying around with your gunners. I am not saying do not squish people, that is another valid tactic but looking around for people to squish will get annoying enough that like Remote Explosives it will get nerfed. If you want to be an army of one either get a heavy suit with a HMG or a Forge gun and have at it. You are just wasting everyone else's time looking for people to squish.
I can already see the "QQ more" and the like posts but I am trying to keep things that work from being nufed, and when they do, only you Gimmicky players are to blame. Stop using the low kick button long enough to learn how to play the game and things will be better, this is not live this is BETA play in other ways then the easy way to find stuff wrong with the game that needs to be fixed. |
TabbieKat
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Posted - 2012.07.09 07:39:00 -
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LOL right but i was just giving an example i do not want to see things get nurfed because some tool wanted easy mode. most good attacks and strategies get nurfed in most MMO's because of these tools.
In Planetside there was a tank called the Magrider Tank. It was a hover tank that got the nick name "The Lawnmower" for good reason. People got really good a mowing down infantry and not learning to use it. Well it got to the point where if you saw one and you were infantry you just let them kill you. Well after a lot of belly aching from the people getting "mowed down" they drastically reduced the damage it did when it hit you. It went from it hits you you are dead to they have to back over your three of four times to kill you. A good tactic was nurfed because people over used it. I foresee this happening to the drop ships in order to force them to be used properly. I do not want to see this happen so please if you see a dropship only, and i repeat ONLY squishing people please tell them to stop so this will not be nurfed. |
TabbieKat
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Posted - 2012.07.15 22:56:00 -
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Some of you have gotten why I have done this post and others did not. If you actually spend the time to read my two previous posts I am attempting to NOT get stuffed nurfed. Using remote explosives as a pinch grenade is fine but I have seen people only use it because it is an easy kill. If this keeps up people will complain about it. The more people that complain about it will equal Nurf. I do not want to see the damage or the blast radius get nurfed because it was overused for easy kills.
As for Dropships, yes landing on someone in this game is easy to do and I have done it myself. But i also do not go around looking for people to squish. Either i do it when i am taking off, trying to sweep people off of a tower, or trying to get rid of a pesky guy on a tower shooting at me while i wait for people to gun for me. People getting Dropships and squishing people all the time will result in the crushing damage being nurfed. In the new Communications Map I see the drop ship being used like it should be as air support. Annoying as all hell when the Dropship is on the other team but ehh shoot it down... or try , and/or get your own. They still squish people but not very often. |
TabbieKat
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Posted - 2012.07.15 23:26:00 -
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no whining here as i can see you do not understand. things work but when people over use things because it makes it easy to win and generally pisses off the other people will get things nurfed. not whining at all just warning. if you like the RE and the Dropship squishing you with either agree that they are being overused and you do not want them nurfed, or you will say i am an idiot for warning you before the flood. As for the people that hate them either they will say they need to be nurfed or taken out because they are too powerful or if they were toned down a bit they really work well in the game.
All in all I think they work well, add in Friendly Fire and a Penalty though either ISK and or SP for killing your own people and that will make them more strategic. |
TabbieKat
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Posted - 2012.07.16 00:23:00 -
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Well Geirskoegul lets agree to disagree, yes I have found counters and i know adding friendly fire damage to the game will stop people from just throwing RE's willy nilly. I also know if they increase the Draw Distance for Dropships this will also keep people from just popping out of no where and squishing you. As for the penalty thing, yes I do get this is a game that supports a "I will do what I want when I want" mentality and I like that. Maybe when they add corporations into the game "player ones not the default ones" the people in charge of it will get an option to penalize members for killing people on their side as it hurts their bottom line. Just saying this is all Knee-Jerk reactions is not right. Yes I have played other games and while CCP owns this game they are partnered with SOE to bring you this game.
I get what you are saying and I understand and I am glad to know you trust CCP enough to see the next few squares ahead to get a broader picture of what is going on. I really do understand what you are saying and where you are coming from. I respect your opinion on the game as a whole and I hope you respect mine, because without respect I will just say, (to quote Adam Savage) "I reject your reality and substitute my own." |
TabbieKat
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Posted - 2012.07.16 01:42:00 -
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Geirskoegul wrote:
Working closely with SOE is not the same as partnered. One of the reasons it became PS3 exclusive is that MSFT was unwilling to let CCP do things their way.
They have a business contract with them so that CCP has the use of the PS3 as a medium to get their game out, while they control the game they do not control the PS3 ie a partnership over rights. Also while CCP can control what they sell on the market, SOE gets a profit off of them using it. Now is it a 50/50 contract, no. CCP reserves the creative rights to Dust 514 while SOE reserves the rights of their programming. If you really want to get technical, Unreal owns the game seeing as they are using their engine to run it. If Unreal felt they were not getting the contract fulfilled with them they could kill Dust in two seconds.
They are contractual partners, Sony has giving Unreal the codes for the PS3 to adjust their engine to be usable on the PS3 and Unreal has allowed CCP to use their PS3 version of the Unreal Engine to make Dust. Sony has allowed CCP to use the PS3 as a platform and though contracts that both companies feel benefits both of them, Dust is a reality. All people that are working with CCP to make Dust are partners though contracts.
Now as to how much creative licence is given SOE in Dust, I do not know and i know "unless you have read the contract" do not know either. They may have control over parts or none at all. Yes EVE is a big success but so is WoW. OMG OMG Tabbie said WoW. EVE is for the more sophisticated and older player were as WoW is geared to the Younger crowd. Where Dust sits is to be determined at the moment. |
TabbieKat
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Posted - 2012.07.16 02:17:00 -
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Geirskoegul, were you on a debate team in High School/Grammar School/Collage because you sure can debate a point.  
And if you are still in HS/GS/Collage then you should be. You would be good.  |
TabbieKat
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Posted - 2012.07.16 02:38:00 -
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Well to be honest I see us arguing the same side of the same coin. Some points we differ but in most of it we are saying the same thing. We both do not want unnecessary nurfs. I do not know CCP as well as you do and yes my past has scared me from people using gimmicks and forcing a nurf that ruins the game. I really hope you are right about CCP but we will not know for 100% until the game goes live.
PS:and yes that was a compliment and an insult to a worthy foe LOL |
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