DUST Search - COLOR-CODED foe assessment

Nate Silverley wrote:

Geirskoegul wrote:

I shot this down the last time it came up. There's no logical reason you would have this information, there's no logical reason to display it, and it overly complicates things. Use the MAG example, you only getspecial icons for a short time when someone manually calls it out, that's it. The current implementation to differentiate between jeeps, tanks, dropships, and infantry is more than sufficient. You're just fishing for free intel that you could have obtained by looking closer and reporting over comms.

I don't agree GÇö right now, having better gear or armor is only two-dimensional: live longer or kill faster. On a pure gaming perspective, the armor/gun leveling should have a third dimension that makes it worth while on the long term.

This added dimension of being able to figure out which level or gear your enemy has adds to field strategy:

a) It requires you to make more / better use of the market, as you fight
b) It will probably allow a better reason for having logistics vehicles, or characters that supply certain types of ammo
c) It requires of you to make on-the-spot strategic decisions.


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Geirskoegul Soul-Strike 134	Posted - 2012.07.08 19:59:00 - [1] - Quote I shot this down the last time it came up. There's no logical reason you would have this information, there's no logical reason to display it, and it overly complicates things. Use the MAG example, you only getspecial icons for a short time when someone manually calls it out, that's it. The current implementation to differentiate between jeeps, tanks, dropships, and infantry is more than sufficient. You're just fishing for free intel that you could have obtained by looking closer and reporting over comms.
Geirskoegul Soul-Strike 134	Posted - 2012.07.08 21:19:00 - [2] - Quote Nate Silverley wrote: Geirskoegul wrote: I shot this down the last time it came up. There's no logical reason you would have this information, there's no logical reason to display it, and it overly complicates things. Use the MAG example, you only getspecial icons for a short time when someone manually calls it out, that's it. The current implementation to differentiate between jeeps, tanks, dropships, and infantry is more than sufficient. You're just fishing for free intel that you could have obtained by looking closer and reporting over comms. I don't agree GÇö right now, having better gear or armor is only two-dimensional: live longer or kill faster. On a pure gaming perspective, the armor/gun leveling should have a third dimension that makes it worth while on the long term. This added dimension of being able to figure out which level or gear your enemy has adds to field strategy: a) It requires you to make more / better use of the market, as you fight b) It will probably allow a better reason for having logistics vehicles, or characters that supply certain types of ammo c) It requires of you to make on-the-spot strategic decisions. Now you're begging, without logic or justification, for even MORE DETAILED intel, for free, and no reason to have it. How the ** do you know EXACTLY what model weapon he has? What model armour he's wearing? You don't. Learn to identify it visually, like we have to in real life (not that I really care whether the hadji shooting at me is carrying an AK-47 or a vietnam-era AR-15; all I care is that he's shooting at me and I'd damn well better shoot the **** first before he hits me). I should thank you, really, for proving the point even more clearly that your request has no place whatsoever in this game.
Geirskoegul Soul-Strike 134	Posted - 2012.07.08 21:30:00 - [3] - Quote RolyatDerTeufel wrote: There should be ways for scouts to relay this intel with right moduels and other stuff talked about in Roles on the battlefield at fanfest. Armour type at the absolute most, and I already addressed that earlier in the thread: it must be MANUALLY called out. No free intel. You think you saw X, fine, mark the target as X, but if it's really Y, it'll show up as Y, because the ID needs to depend on the player actually identifying it, not system magic granting free information.
Geirskoegul Soul-Strike 134	Posted - 2012.07.09 07:11:00 - [4] - Quote Bones1182 wrote: On topic I suppose. If a squad mate has eyes on target there should be away to know what kind of armor it is but not just popping up on the overview. But really it just needs to be easier to tell which is which. Perhaps going of of the chevrons they already use. 1 Chevron is militia/standard 2 is advanced 3 is proto but only if you or a team mate can actually see them and within a reasonble visual range lets say 50 meters Again, you're asking for free intel there's no logical way for you to know. From looks alone, how would you know the quality of his armour? You don't, you have no right to that intel. You look, you can tell the difference between a scout, an assault, a heavy, and a logi. This is all you need. You may call it out manually. If you call it out wrong, it should shows what you called it out as, not what it really is. It's your job to collect good intel, not the game's to handle you free intel you'd never have. Nate Silverley wrote: I never said for free. I proposed it to be a certain specific module OR a squad leader perk only. Not every player should have that, to your credit, but I'm sure there can be an intelligent and balanced way to add this. To your credit, knowing which model weapon doesn't matter. I'm talking more about armor GÇö you don't have to know which model, just if it's light, medium, or heavy and it's meta technology number. It already says enough. Example: Nate Silverley (H7) - So you know I'm Heavy with Meta 7 tech armor. So If you see a lot of H6 and H7s on the map, you have to put your noobs under cover and release the hounds. How do I know you're wearing meta 7 armour? There's no visual difference and no logical reason I'd have any way whatsoever of knowing it. You want to make a module to guess? Fine, but it needs to be held on the target for 10 seconds or so (like in EVE) and it needs to give erroneous info like it does in EVE (the one in EVE can tell you he has more weapons than he has high slots sometimes ^^). In reality, you shouldn't get any of this. Look at him, figure it out, and use comms. Free intel is bull**, pure and simple. Neco'mancer wrote: in eve, there's a module that tells you exactly that, all you need to do is get a lock on with it, and you get there full load out, even how much ammo/valubles they have if you have that type of mod equipped. seems like a good use of a slot to me... Actually, you're conflating two separate modules. And the one that tells you their loadout LIES. It can tell you he has multiples of items he only has one of, more items than he has slots to install them in, modules he doesn't actually have equipped at all, etc. Also worth noting that no one really uses it, because it's all info you can gather by observation. Nate Silverley wrote:** I agree it shouldn't be something free. But how about this idea: Let's say you have an "Armor Grade Scanner Module of different variants. AGS Basic: Reveal infantry armor on manual spot. AGS Advanced: Reveal infantry armor + meta level on spot AGS Prototype: Reveal infantry armor of + metal level of every foe on the field. In opposition, you could always have Stealth Modules scramble the AGS's signal on various levels as well. As some of you pointed out, yes the idea is to distinguish the High Level / Prototype armors from the rest of the pack. 1) You have no need for this intel 2) There's no logical reason you should HAVE this intel 3) If you're wasting slots on this crap, you're failfitting 4) All the information you actually need can be gathered visually.