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Kahlmin Tiarnan
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.03 03:01:00 -
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Yes Dropships landing on us. it is annoying we do hate it. But regardless of how it sucks it is war. we are fighting to kill each other. It makes sense that a Dropship would drop on you. Oh well I guess that's why there should be more Anti-Vehicle players to try and prevent this and not let these people stay in the air long enough. There will always be a way to counter something.
So instead of asking for ships to explode or just to stop it. Become a better player and blow that bastard from the sky.
Happy Fighting :) and thanks for reading.
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Dylan Yarbrough
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2012.07.03 03:04:00 -
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agree. No one complained about the vehicles running people over in Halo, just get out a freakin huge ass gun and take him out. Nuff said. :)
If he comes back and does it again, repeat step A, until he gets in into his head that you will defeat him every time. |
Kahlmin Tiarnan
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
41
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Posted - 2012.07.03 03:07:00 -
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Dylan Yarbrough wrote:agree. No one complained about the vehicles running people over in Halo, just get out a freakin huge ass gun and take him out. Nuff said. :)
If he comes back and does it again, repeat step A, until he gets in into his head that you will defeat him every time.
Exactly, and Halo was horrible about it. But one plasma grenade and problem solved. We just learned from it and adapted. That's what people need to do.
Sadly there are always going to be people who whine instead of countering it. |
Dylan Yarbrough
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2012.07.03 18:28:00 -
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Kahlmin Tiarnan wrote:Dylan Yarbrough wrote:agree. No one complained about the vehicles running people over in Halo, just get out a freakin huge ass gun and take him out. Nuff said. :)
If he comes back and does it again, repeat step A, until he gets in into his head that you will defeat him every time. Exactly, and Halo was horrible about it. But one plasma grenade and problem solved. We just learned from it and adapted. That's what people need to do. Sadly there are always going to be people who whine instead of countering it.
I think that's why CCP put huge explosive weapons in the game.... not sure though... they could just be used for show.
Nah.... I like to blow things up. Give me all of the deadly dropships as possible. They will go bye bye. |
Kahlmin Tiarnan
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
41
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Posted - 2012.07.03 18:52:00 -
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Dylan Yarbrough wrote:Kahlmin Tiarnan wrote:Dylan Yarbrough wrote:agree. No one complained about the vehicles running people over in Halo, just get out a freakin huge ass gun and take him out. Nuff said. :)
If he comes back and does it again, repeat step A, until he gets in into his head that you will defeat him every time. Exactly, and Halo was horrible about it. But one plasma grenade and problem solved. We just learned from it and adapted. That's what people need to do. Sadly there are always going to be people who whine instead of countering it. I think that's why CCP put huge explosive weapons in the game.... not sure though... they could just be used for show. Nah.... I like to blow things up. Give me all of the deadly dropships as possible. They will go bye bye.
haha, personally I smash people now with them. for a few kills to **** of the people then when they try to counter it. I pull out a forge gun. or something and then **** them off more. I've gotten some funny hate mail about it.
But I appreciate that you agree with me. hopefully when dust goes live we'll be able to play together. |
Dylan Yarbrough
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2012.07.04 04:30:00 -
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Kahlmin Tiarnan wrote:Dylan Yarbrough wrote:Kahlmin Tiarnan wrote:Dylan Yarbrough wrote:agree. No one complained about the vehicles running people over in Halo, just get out a freakin huge ass gun and take him out. Nuff said. :)
If he comes back and does it again, repeat step A, until he gets in into his head that you will defeat him every time. Exactly, and Halo was horrible about it. But one plasma grenade and problem solved. We just learned from it and adapted. That's what people need to do. Sadly there are always going to be people who whine instead of countering it. I think that's why CCP put huge explosive weapons in the game.... not sure though... they could just be used for show. Nah.... I like to blow things up. Give me all of the deadly dropships as possible. They will go bye bye. haha, personally I smash people now with them. for a few kills to **** of the people then when they try to counter it. I pull out a forge gun. or something and then **** them off more. I've gotten some funny hate mail about it. But I appreciate that you agree with me. hopefully when dust goes live we'll be able to play together.
I like to be a bit more sneaky about it. Kill from a distance kinda thing. But man, give me a bazooka baby and I'll go STD BUCKET on that ****.
I'll have to keep a look out. I haven't been able to play much... stupid servers are always closed for me for some reason lately.
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Sev Radrillson
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2012.07.04 04:35:00 -
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I really HATE getting squished by a dropship, but each time it reminds me to raise my situational awareness (then I pound the sucker with a swarm launcher). |
Fat Axel
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.07.04 04:58:00 -
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i rarely get killed by dropships splatering me, actually i dont think i have since the E3 update, it seems alot less common now, and also be more observant, its a big ass ship, dont let it sneek up on u |
Asher Night
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
79
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Posted - 2012.07.04 06:33:00 -
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Everytime I hear someone say "It's war, kill them however" I just want to grab them by the throat and smack the crap out of them then force them to read the geneva convention. Not everything goes in war. You can't intentionally set someone on fire in war. You can not intentionally use a rocket launcher on soft targets (people) in war. If anything went in war, why not just drop a nuke and be done with it? I'm sure they have them for $10 a pop 21,000 from now. Anyone that says anything goes in war has no sense of honor, has never read the geneva convention, and clearly isn't in the military yet they think they know the rules of war. Even in undeclared war there are rules that can not be broken.
They are called dropships because they move into action, unload troops, do some light fighting, and then leave. Not because they drop on you. What a cute, childish thing to say. I feel like I just read a transcript from "Kids say the darndest things".
More importantly, IT'S A VIDEO GAME. This is not war. You aren't a hero. You are just some one, probably not even 18, who wants to play a beta rather than test it and clearly doesn't understand this balance issue that breaks the immersion process of this online world. Rather than understamd the lack of sportsmanship you'd rather have the most ridiculous methods of killing available because it satisfies you.
I promise if you had gun game you wouldn't use a drop ship on people. CCP knows there are a lot of scrubs online that can't compete with talented players. That's why there are so many one hit kill weapons in this game. Scrubs are the majority. Scrubs are where the money is at. Make them have fun and they will buy the add ons. No talent required. |
Eli Kaufman
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.07.04 07:11:00 -
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Asher Night wrote:Everytime I hear someone say "It's war, kill them however" I just want to grab them by the throat and smack the crap out of them then force them to read the geneva convention. Not everything goes in war. You can't intentionally set someone on fire in war. You can not intentionally use a rocket launcher on soft targets (people) in war. If anything went in war, why not just drop a nuke and be done with it? I'm sure they have them for $10 a pop 21,000 from now. Anyone that says anything goes in war has no sense of honor, has never read the geneva convention, and clearly isn't in the military yet they think they know the rules of war. Even in undeclared war there are rules that can not be broken.
They are called dropships because they move into action, unload troops, do some light fighting, and then leave. Not because they drop on you. What a cute, childish thing to say. I feel like I just read a transcript from "Kids say the darndest things".
More importantly, IT'S A VIDEO GAME. This is not war. You aren't a hero. You are just some one, probably not even 18, who wants to play a beta rather than test it and clearly doesn't understand this balance issue that breaks the immersion process of this online world. Rather than understamd the lack of sportsmanship you'd rather have the most ridiculous methods of killing available because it satisfies you.
I promise if you had gun game you wouldn't use a drop ship on people. CCP knows there are a lot of scrubs online that can't compete with talented players. That's why there are so many one hit kill weapons in this game. Scrubs are the majority. Scrubs are where the money is at. Make them have fun and they will buy the add ons. No talent required.
Ever heard the expression "All is fair in love and war"
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Jonquill Caronite
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
115
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Posted - 2012.07.04 07:20:00 -
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Meh I'm of the personal opinion that Dropship damage is significant enough from collisions already, and I don't use the damn things save once or twice... In my honest opinion, I think the solution is to decrease the damage to players not increase the damage to dropships... The mechanics should give a little, and if the player is directly under the dropship? 50dps/s until they aren't there anymore, or hell even 100, I don't care.
What irritates me is that its an FPSRPG with a focus around continual improvement and HP is the method of damage... Note... HP is the method of damage... This is key because of one simple fact, whatever collision damage is taking place is an auto kill on players, and if it is being generated by physics with an actual damage rate, and not being considered an automatic kill, then its being done poorly because even an armored suit would give to impact and not take as much damage as two tanks colliding and calculating the damages the same isn't realistic... a slow steady dropping dropship on these super suits that make every soldier a miniature superman would also be resistible... Point isn't that dropping on people shouldn't kill them, it should, but it should be harder, and it should USUALLY not be an instant kill.
Finally, the players using this in the BETA? That's fine, we need to find the glitches, but don't get holier then thou and act like its a legit strategy that viable in the real game unless your running around in dropships you paid for doing this sort of thing... One thing I have noticed about people using this tactic is its militia dropship all the way... Why? Precisely because the dropships ACTUALLY are vulnerable and this **** would be stupid and expensive in the real game. So they are adding nothing to the BETA at this point and functionally griefing...The only thing they are really proving is FREE militia vehicles is absolutely a horrible idea, you shouldn't have throw away vehicles period.... At least not dropships, maybe an LAV, but a bloody droship? Seriously? |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1849
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Posted - 2012.07.04 11:12:00 -
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Jonquill Caronite wrote:50dps/s until they aren't there anymore, or hell even 100, I don't care.
Just to be sure I'm clear on this, you're saying dps (damage per second) per second.
So after 1 second, you take 50 damage. In the 2nd second, you take an additional 100 damage, so 150 over 2 seconds. If you're alive into a 3rd second, you take another 150 damage for a total of 300.
Yes?
Sounds brutal... but probably legit. Makes sense for crushing damage to increase over time as your armour collapses in on you. |
Kahlmin Tiarnan
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
41
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Posted - 2012.07.06 00:24:00 -
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I'm standing firm to having more people Anti-Vehicle. if that happens Dropships won't even have the chance to smash anyone. Problem solved. |
Nick Phantom
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
91
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Posted - 2012.07.06 00:54:00 -
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going prone would help lessen this.... LMAO lay down flat where the dropship's landing gear stops it from being able to smash you. I'd yell hit the deck all the time just to see all my teammates go straight to the ground thinking a dropship was about to smash them. |
Zach Shanna
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
77
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Posted - 2012.07.06 00:55:00 -
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Asher Night wrote: You are just some one, probably not even 18 Why is it that everybody is under 18? Everybody says you're just a teenager, you're under 18, blah blah blah...
It's not a valid argument and people should really stop using it |
Ender Storm
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
50
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Posted - 2012.07.06 16:02:00 -
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Oh well dropships can land on people but if they do they should be so much damaged that they would be useless afterwards.
We dont see helicopters droping on people.
Tanks dont compare, they are built to run over stuff. |
Seeker of Cheese
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
163
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Posted - 2012.07.06 17:35:00 -
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Asher Night wrote:Everytime I hear someone say "It's war, kill them however" I just want to grab them by the throat and smack the crap out of them then force them to read the geneva convention. Not everything goes in war.
and in the same post...
Asher Night wrote:More importantly, IT'S A VIDEO GAME. This is not war.
It's boring when people kick the legs out from under their own argument in the same post. It takes the fun out of doing it myself. |
Lephis Macintosh
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2012.07.06 17:39:00 -
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IMHO Dropships/Jeeps/Tanks etc should receive damaged if they hit on a Dropsuit depended on which Dropsuit and how strong there armor is.
Like,
Heavy Dropsuit vs Dropship = 100hp dmg Scout Dropsuit vs Dropship = 30hp dmg
you get the idea
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Asher Night
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
79
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Posted - 2012.07.08 01:06:00 -
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Seeker of Cheese wrote:Asher Night wrote:Everytime I hear someone say "It's war, kill them however" I just want to grab them by the throat and smack the crap out of them then force them to read the geneva convention. Not everything goes in war. and in the same post... Asher Night wrote:More importantly, IT'S A VIDEO GAME. This is not war. It's boring when people kick the legs out from under their own argument in the same post. It takes the fun out of doing it myself.
Selective hearing kid. Good job cutting out the part where I talk about sportsmanship and balance issues. In war, things are not supposed to be perfectly balanced, but it is supposed to be done with honor and integrity (note I said supposed to be. It's why we don't cut the heads off our enemies. It's disrespectful and unnecessary). This VIDEO GAME is supposed to be balanced and sportsman like. There is no real life win in this game. Your family will eat and sleep just the same. Grow up and stop trying to make strawman arguments. |
Asher Night
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
79
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Posted - 2012.07.08 01:08:00 -
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Zach Shanna wrote:Asher Night wrote: You are just some one, probably not even 18 Why is it that everybody is under 18? Everybody says you're just a teenager, you're under 18, blah blah blah... It's not a valid argument and people should really stop using it
When people try to make a claim as to what would happen in real war, and they aren't even old enough to sign up for the military, then yes - it is valid to call attention to their lack of responsibility and experience in the world of military affairs. This probably only offends you because you are not 18. |
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Dylan Yarbrough
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2012.07.15 06:54:00 -
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Asher Night wrote:Seeker of Cheese wrote:Asher Night wrote:Everytime I hear someone say "It's war, kill them however" I just want to grab them by the throat and smack the crap out of them then force them to read the geneva convention. Not everything goes in war. and in the same post... Asher Night wrote:More importantly, IT'S A VIDEO GAME. This is not war. It's boring when people kick the legs out from under their own argument in the same post. It takes the fun out of doing it myself. Selective hearing kid. Good job cutting out the part where I talk about sportsmanship and balance issues. In war, things are not supposed to be perfectly balanced, but it is supposed to be done with honor and integrity (note I said supposed to be. It's why we don't cut the heads off our enemies. It's disrespectful and unnecessary). This VIDEO GAME is supposed to be balanced and sportsman like. There is no real life win in this game. Your family will eat and sleep just the same. Grow up and stop trying to make strawman arguments.
Sorry, but I have to disagree. There are swarm launchers and huge guns that do massive damage to armored vehicles in the game. If someone is spamming on a dropship, it's as easy as switching loadouts and blasting it from the sky. If you have the proper skill set, you can take a dropship out in seconds flat before it even gets to you. CCP knew this, that's why they put those weapons in, and that is why it's not a huge issue. People just want an easy game.
Why is it that when something different comes out, people always want to grade it down to COD standards? I for one am looking for a good game that is challenging and different. Drop ships that can kill? Well, I say bring it on! Too many games are limited for "scrubs" to have fun. Let the big boys play now. This entire generation has been ***** whipped by easy games that last 4 hours and cost 60 bucks.
Lame in my opinion. |
Bzeer
MG GROUP
41
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Posted - 2012.07.15 07:10:00 -
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I admit to squishing lots of poeple in my day, but the kill-curve on the tatic has seriouslly gone down due to player awareness. I'm sure it will be even less a useful tatic when their are enemy fighters in the sky, and a pilot has to reserve his effective hitpoints for staying in the air. I will still drop my ship on people in order to keep them from killing me, if they are out in the open, especially if I have no gunners on board (because what other defense do I have when I'm a pilot providing a mobile spawn point.) But, I don't use it as frequently in combat as I did early on in this build. (It doesn't encourage me to persist as a dropship pilot whenI don't get an XP bonus when people spawn in my vehicle, when I know the mobil droplink people on the ground get that bonus, but if a team is communicating, and using my services, I'm willing to do it, but I'll usually score less xp and isk by dedicating myself to that function than when I'm on the ground.) I think I used it frequently early in this build because there were free versions of it, and because it was so much more effective than running people over with a lav... more than half the time, they just bounce off. That glitch happening in a dropship is a lot more rare. |
Ventis Gant
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
37
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Posted - 2012.07.15 07:16:00 -
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New Eden has never even heard of Geneva. The accepted way to fire a senior executive in the Caldari state is to have him killed. It saves face. The Amarr are slavers, and the Minmatar have done some pretty horrible things both to escape from and get revenge on the slavers. Read the "Methods of Torture" series of chronicles on the eve website (not so easy to find the chronicles section, but if you hunt it down, there are TONS of stories that will tell you what New Eden is like). The capsuleers are generally seen as sociopathic mass murders with godlike power, and, for the most part, from the point of view of non-casuleers, that is absolutely accurate. War in New Eden is as cutthroat as it gets. You can attack anyone, even in the most secure regions of hisec, for only the cost of having your ship blown up and CONCORD, the police agency, mildly annoyed with you for interrupting their card game. War in New Eden is all about winning, by any means allowed by the game that CCP hasn't called out as an exploit...and things CCP considers to be an exploit are pretty rare. More often than not, when someone complains about someone using a game mechanic in a way that the devs probably never saw coming, the answer is "working as intended". |
Asher Night
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
79
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Posted - 2012.07.15 07:21:00 -
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Ventis Gant wrote:New Eden has never even heard of Geneva. The accepted way to fire a senior executive in the Caldari state is to have him killed. It saves face. The Amarr are slavers, and the Minmatar have done some pretty horrible things both to escape from and get revenge on the slavers. Read the "Methods of Torture" series of chronicles on the eve website (not so easy to find the chronicles section, but if you hunt it down, there are TONS of stories that will tell you what New Eden is like). The capsuleers are generally seen as sociopathic mass murders with godlike power, and, for the most part, from the point of view of non-casuleers, that is absolutely accurate. War in New Eden is as cutthroat as it gets. You can attack anyone, even in the most secure regions of hisec, for only the cost of having your ship blown up and CONCORD, the police agency, mildly annoyed with you for interrupting their card game. War in New Eden is all about winning, by any means allowed by the game that CCP hasn't called out as an exploit...and things CCP considers to be an exploit are pretty rare. More often than not, when someone complains about someone using a game mechanic in a way that the devs probably never saw coming, the answer is "working as intended".
TL;DR
1) It's a game and not a real war 21,000 into the future in space.
2) If all sportsmanship is removed from the game, I promise people will remove the game from their hard drives. |
Bzeer
MG GROUP
41
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Posted - 2012.07.15 07:31:00 -
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Asher Night wrote:Everytime I hear someone say "It's war, kill them however" I just want to grab them by the throat and smack the crap out of them then force them to read the geneva convention. Not everything goes in war. You can't intentionally set someone on fire in war. You can not intentionally use a rocket launcher on soft targets (people) in war. If anything went in war, why not just drop a nuke and be done with it? I'm sure they have them for $10 a pop 21,000 from now. Anyone that says anything goes in war has no sense of honor, has never read the geneva convention, and clearly isn't in the military yet they think they know the rules of war. Even in undeclared war there are rules that can not be broken.
They are called dropships because they move into action, unload troops, do some light fighting, and then leave. Not because they drop on you. What a cute, childish thing to say. I feel like I just read a transcript from "Kids say the darndest things".
More importantly, IT'S A VIDEO GAME. This is not war. You aren't a hero. You are just some one, probably not even 18, who wants to play a beta rather than test it and clearly doesn't understand this balance issue that breaks the immersion process of this online world. Rather than understamd the lack of sportsmanship you'd rather have the most ridiculous methods of killing available because it satisfies you.
I promise if you had gun game you wouldn't use a drop ship on people. CCP knows there are a lot of scrubs online that can't compete with talented players. That's why there are so many one hit kill weapons in this game. Scrubs are the majority. Scrubs are where the money is at. Make them have fun and they will buy the add ons. No talent required.
After reading this post, I'm not sure what to think... Being an EVE player for years, I think I need to say, if you got a problem with dropships landing on you, you'll have a bigger problem when your team's space gun is disarmed, (Or worse, the company that hired you, doesn't even have one on the ground) and some other team has orbital bombardment support from an EVE alliance... In EVE, ccp provides the "potential for balance" but it's definitely not gauranteed. You might be the only dude on the ground, and you might only have a militia suit, if someone other team has the ability to call in an orbital strike on you, and even if it costs them more to call in that strike than you would have to spend for a gazilion lifetimes in a milita suit... it's likely someone would do it just for lols, because you're right, it's not war, but you're wrong, it's not a game, it's EVE. |
Asher Night
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
79
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Posted - 2012.07.15 07:51:00 -
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Bzeer wrote:Asher Night wrote:Everytime I hear someone say "It's war, kill them however" I just want to grab them by the throat and smack the crap out of them then force them to read the geneva convention. Not everything goes in war. You can't intentionally set someone on fire in war. You can not intentionally use a rocket launcher on soft targets (people) in war. If anything went in war, why not just drop a nuke and be done with it? I'm sure they have them for $10 a pop 21,000 from now. Anyone that says anything goes in war has no sense of honor, has never read the geneva convention, and clearly isn't in the military yet they think they know the rules of war. Even in undeclared war there are rules that can not be broken.
They are called dropships because they move into action, unload troops, do some light fighting, and then leave. Not because they drop on you. What a cute, childish thing to say. I feel like I just read a transcript from "Kids say the darndest things".
More importantly, IT'S A VIDEO GAME. This is not war. You aren't a hero. You are just some one, probably not even 18, who wants to play a beta rather than test it and clearly doesn't understand this balance issue that breaks the immersion process of this online world. Rather than understamd the lack of sportsmanship you'd rather have the most ridiculous methods of killing available because it satisfies you.
I promise if you had gun game you wouldn't use a drop ship on people. CCP knows there are a lot of scrubs online that can't compete with talented players. That's why there are so many one hit kill weapons in this game. Scrubs are the majority. Scrubs are where the money is at. Make them have fun and they will buy the add ons. No talent required. After reading this post, I'm not sure what to think... Being an EVE player for years, I think I need to say, if you got a problem with dropships landing on you, you'll have a bigger problem when your team's space gun is disarmed, (Or worse, the company that hired you, doesn't even have one on the ground) and some other team has orbital bombardment support from an EVE alliance... In EVE, ccp provides the "potential for balance" but it's definitely not gauranteed. You might be the only dude on the ground, and you might only have a militia suit, if someone other team has the ability to call in an orbital strike on you, and even if it costs them more to call in that strike than you would have to spend for a gazilion lifetimes in a milita suit... it's likely someone would do it just for lols, because you're right, it's not war, but you're wrong, it's not a game, it's EVE.
Yeah, I'm sure - and that would be funny. If I was on the receiving end I would still laugh. I've never played EVE but I doubt it matters. About 35,000 players log into EVE a day. As for CoD just for PS3? Five-hundred thousand a day.
If CCP wants our devotion and money, they will change for us, not the other way around. I hope this game is not like CoD, but what I am saying is players won't play a game that isn't balanced. Especially if the game didn't cost anything to play anyway. People payed money for MAG, the faction known as SVER ran everything from the moment it was released, and now no one plays MAG. It was basically dead within 2 years and that was the BIGGEST online FPS ever released - specifically geared to having a massive player base. |
Ventis Gant
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
37
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Posted - 2012.07.15 22:33:00 -
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Asher Night wrote:
1) It's a game and not a real war 21,000 into the future in space.
2) If all sportsmanship is removed from the game, I promise people will remove the game from their hard drives.
If you want a game with sportsmanship, then a game set in New Eden is not for you. The hisec battles that don't mean anything and don't have any persistence in the game world beyond the SP/ISK an individual gains or loses are not the game that CCP is building. That game will be there, and, right now, it is the only game we have, but CCP must balance for the null sec game, where people will use any resource available that doesn't actually break the rules CCP has set down to win, because they and their corp have spent a great deal of time and effort on building something. It may be only a game, but if you and your corpmates spend months taking and building up a planet or several planets, and someone comes to try to take that away from you, it means something.
CCP has already stated that null sec battles will not be balanced. For example, if CCP figures out how to make 200 player battles work without breaking the servers, then a null sec battle will be 100 vs 100...but if the attacking team can bring 100 and the defenders can only bring 30, then it will be 100 vs 30. The concept of fair play only exists in New Eden if BOTH sides agree to it, as with Red vs Blue. They have a permanent war going on in EvE, but it is with rules. There are things they won't allow you to do, but that is all from the players. When it comes to a real war, declared or not, the gloves come off. There is no "sportmanship".
If you want sportsmanship in DUST, then you will never be able to experience the game that CCP has promised us. You will only ever be able to play in the controlled environment of hisec, and you will eventually gain all the skills you want to max out, and then you will get bored and leave. Or, at least, that is what many if not most of those who only play the hisec battles that don't really have persistence will do. The long term players, the ones who play for years and years, will be the ones that are playing for keeps in null sec. |
Geirskoegul
Soul-Strike
134
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Posted - 2012.07.15 22:42:00 -
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Oi, the simple fix is to increase the impact damage that dropships receive. They can keep squishing, but it'll hurt them more, and encourage them to stop slamming into the environment all over the place. Realism wins, sportsmanship wins, and it's still a functional tactic if you're willing to take the risk / damage.
At the same time, the jeep is in far more need of an impact damage increase, as it seems impossible to damage them from hitting things or people, meanwhile tanks are torn up by small arms fire and you lose whole percentage points off your armour just by bumping into a pillar at a crawl.
Increase the damage to the person you run over with a tank, increase the damage when you run over someone with a jeep, massively increase the damage jeeps and dropships receive then they crash into something or someone, and massively reduce the damage to tanks from bumping into things (and from small arms fire; your assault rifle isn't going to do buggerall to a tank, I'm sorry, mates.) |
Fivetimes Infinity
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Posted - 2012.07.15 22:46:00 -
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It isn't war, it's a game. It's very easy to call in a free vehicle and simply land on people. It's a no-skill way to get kills, similar to parking the dropship somewhere and shooting missiles at people.
But, I have a feeling that militia dropships are not here to stay, so I don't think it'd be a big deal when people actually have to spend money on a dropship. Buying several fits worth of good infantry gear for one dropship to squash a few people before getting blown up wouldn't be a good trade-off. |
Ascythian
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Posted - 2012.07.15 23:51:00 -
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CCP won't change for someone like you Asher thats for sure. |
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Zero Harpuia
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Posted - 2012.07.16 00:15:00 -
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Not to burst your bubble, Mr. Asher, but those 500,000 people playing CoD will abandon it as soon as next year's CoD is released, faster if some other large FPS comes out in the meantime. Meanwhile, those 35,000 at any given time, lets assume it's 35k period for arguments sake, have been paying 15 USD a month for several years in a persistent experience. That added to the fact that EVE supplies a unique experience compared to the more mundane FPS mechanics of whichever CoD, and it's easy to see that the games are, at the very least, matched in terms of popularity via payment. As for DUST, it isn't just an FPS, it takes place in the world of New Eden and transplants many facets of the culture and features of the game, meaning that people come to it not because it is an FPS, but because it is the EVE FPS.
Also, sportsmanship is the action of players, not the tools given to them. A bad sport is a bad sport, no matter what toys he has at his disposal.
As for the OP, dropship crushing is fine with me, makes him an easier target for my Forge Gun. |
Asher Night
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Posted - 2012.07.16 04:49:00 -
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Zero Harpuia wrote:Not to burst your bubble, Mr. Asher, but those 500,000 people playing CoD will abandon it as soon as next year's CoD is released, faster if some other large FPS comes out in the meantime. Meanwhile, those 35,000 at any given time, lets assume it's 35k period for arguments sake, have been paying 15 USD a month for several years in a persistent experience. That added to the fact that EVE supplies a unique experience compared to the more mundane FPS mechanics of whichever CoD, and it's easy to see that the games are, at the very least, matched in terms of popularity via payment. As for DUST, it isn't just an FPS, it takes place in the world of New Eden and transplants many facets of the culture and features of the game, meaning that people come to it not because it is an FPS, but because it is the EVE FPS.
Your argument makes zero sense to me. Yeah, they'll abandon this CoD for the NEXT CoD. Your point? CoD will STILL have a larger following than EVE. I've only ever played CoD twice, but from what I understand the game is set in a way that even poor players can do well, but can not impede the progress of actual talented players, i.e., decently balanced weapons and few one hit kill methods. That is NOT how Dust is set up. In Dust, if you have better equipment, you win. If you have a vehicle and drop down on someone as he's in a firefight with 11 other people, you win. Right now it's like an elaborate game of paper, rock, scissors.
Zero Harpuia wrote:Also, sportsmanship is the action of players, not the tools given to them. A bad sport is a bad sport, no matter what toys he has at his disposal.
They can only demonstrate poor sportsmanship when GIVEN the tools. Take the ability to kill people simply by silently touching them from the sky away, and voila! You don't have to deal with one more method of people demonstrating poor sportsmanship.
Zero Harpuia wrote:As for the OP, dropship crushing is fine with me, makes him an easier target for my Forge Gun.
I'm almost 100% positive anyone that tries to make some kind of snarky comment about killing dropships that try to crush them doesn't have a 2-1 KDR, or even a good one. You just have fun playing the game, which is fine, but you aren't actually talented so that's why having a BS OHK method in the game doesn't bother you. To other people who usually do pull off at least a 2-1 KDR, it gets tedious having to run and hide from scrubs so often just because they can't shoot straight. They waste your time. Making you run, making you stick behind cover in one single area, making you wait longer before going to the objective, and making you wait to respawn after they crush you.
I always get way more kills than anyone I see trying to dropship crush, and that's probably why it bugs me. I have **** to do, plenty of people to kill and now I have to wait for your sorry ass all because you can't get a kill any other way than crashing a space ship into me. It's pathetic and it's weak. I have no sympathy for the weak |
Zero Harpuia
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Posted - 2012.07.16 06:04:00 -
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Oh, so it's the KDR that bothers you, eh? Not the destructions, the repairs, all the other point gaining methods, you just want to farm kills? Go play Ambush then, leave the fun to the real players. As for time wasting, its called area denial. You need to keep them away from your capture points, and the best way to do that is keep them from using the huge open ground and force them around. I'm sorry if your time is being wasted by other players playing the way they wish to, but, to use a phrase I despise from the world of EVE: Adapt or Die. Your Assault Rifle doesn't hurt that tank? Use a forge gun. Your Forge can't nail that infantry? grab a vehicle or an AR. You need to kill that Forge gun harassing your vehicles? Grab an AR. I may not get a stellar KDR, but I get at least 150k SP a match due to my contributions of hacks, destructs, repairs, and resupplies.
Also, a person in a firefight with 11 others is going to die. A dropship crushing him is a mercy kill.
I'm also glad to see you assume about as much about anyone against your views on the forums as you do about anyone who doesn't play the game the same way you do. |
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