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Asher Night
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Posted - 2012.07.04 06:33:00 -
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Everytime I hear someone say "It's war, kill them however" I just want to grab them by the throat and smack the crap out of them then force them to read the geneva convention. Not everything goes in war. You can't intentionally set someone on fire in war. You can not intentionally use a rocket launcher on soft targets (people) in war. If anything went in war, why not just drop a nuke and be done with it? I'm sure they have them for $10 a pop 21,000 from now. Anyone that says anything goes in war has no sense of honor, has never read the geneva convention, and clearly isn't in the military yet they think they know the rules of war. Even in undeclared war there are rules that can not be broken.
They are called dropships because they move into action, unload troops, do some light fighting, and then leave. Not because they drop on you. What a cute, childish thing to say. I feel like I just read a transcript from "Kids say the darndest things".
More importantly, IT'S A VIDEO GAME. This is not war. You aren't a hero. You are just some one, probably not even 18, who wants to play a beta rather than test it and clearly doesn't understand this balance issue that breaks the immersion process of this online world. Rather than understamd the lack of sportsmanship you'd rather have the most ridiculous methods of killing available because it satisfies you.
I promise if you had gun game you wouldn't use a drop ship on people. CCP knows there are a lot of scrubs online that can't compete with talented players. That's why there are so many one hit kill weapons in this game. Scrubs are the majority. Scrubs are where the money is at. Make them have fun and they will buy the add ons. No talent required. |
Asher Night
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.08 01:06:00 -
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Seeker of Cheese wrote:Asher Night wrote:Everytime I hear someone say "It's war, kill them however" I just want to grab them by the throat and smack the crap out of them then force them to read the geneva convention. Not everything goes in war. and in the same post... Asher Night wrote:More importantly, IT'S A VIDEO GAME. This is not war. It's boring when people kick the legs out from under their own argument in the same post. It takes the fun out of doing it myself. 
Selective hearing kid. Good job cutting out the part where I talk about sportsmanship and balance issues. In war, things are not supposed to be perfectly balanced, but it is supposed to be done with honor and integrity (note I said supposed to be. It's why we don't cut the heads off our enemies. It's disrespectful and unnecessary). This VIDEO GAME is supposed to be balanced and sportsman like. There is no real life win in this game. Your family will eat and sleep just the same. Grow up and stop trying to make strawman arguments. |
Asher Night
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.08 01:08:00 -
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Zach Shanna wrote:Asher Night wrote: You are just some one, probably not even 18 Why is it that everybody is under 18? Everybody says you're just a teenager, you're under 18, blah blah blah... It's not a valid argument and people should really stop using it
When people try to make a claim as to what would happen in real war, and they aren't even old enough to sign up for the military, then yes - it is valid to call attention to their lack of responsibility and experience in the world of military affairs. This probably only offends you because you are not 18. |
Asher Night
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Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.15 07:21:00 -
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Ventis Gant wrote:New Eden has never even heard of Geneva. The accepted way to fire a senior executive in the Caldari state is to have him killed. It saves face. The Amarr are slavers, and the Minmatar have done some pretty horrible things both to escape from and get revenge on the slavers. Read the "Methods of Torture" series of chronicles on the eve website (not so easy to find the chronicles section, but if you hunt it down, there are TONS of stories that will tell you what New Eden is like). The capsuleers are generally seen as sociopathic mass murders with godlike power, and, for the most part, from the point of view of non-casuleers, that is absolutely accurate. War in New Eden is as cutthroat as it gets. You can attack anyone, even in the most secure regions of hisec, for only the cost of having your ship blown up and CONCORD, the police agency, mildly annoyed with you for interrupting their card game. War in New Eden is all about winning, by any means allowed by the game that CCP hasn't called out as an exploit...and things CCP considers to be an exploit are pretty rare. More often than not, when someone complains about someone using a game mechanic in a way that the devs probably never saw coming, the answer is "working as intended".
TL;DR
1) It's a game and not a real war 21,000 into the future in space.
2) If all sportsmanship is removed from the game, I promise people will remove the game from their hard drives. |
Asher Night
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.15 07:51:00 -
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Bzeer wrote:Asher Night wrote:Everytime I hear someone say "It's war, kill them however" I just want to grab them by the throat and smack the crap out of them then force them to read the geneva convention. Not everything goes in war. You can't intentionally set someone on fire in war. You can not intentionally use a rocket launcher on soft targets (people) in war. If anything went in war, why not just drop a nuke and be done with it? I'm sure they have them for $10 a pop 21,000 from now. Anyone that says anything goes in war has no sense of honor, has never read the geneva convention, and clearly isn't in the military yet they think they know the rules of war. Even in undeclared war there are rules that can not be broken.
They are called dropships because they move into action, unload troops, do some light fighting, and then leave. Not because they drop on you. What a cute, childish thing to say. I feel like I just read a transcript from "Kids say the darndest things".
More importantly, IT'S A VIDEO GAME. This is not war. You aren't a hero. You are just some one, probably not even 18, who wants to play a beta rather than test it and clearly doesn't understand this balance issue that breaks the immersion process of this online world. Rather than understamd the lack of sportsmanship you'd rather have the most ridiculous methods of killing available because it satisfies you.
I promise if you had gun game you wouldn't use a drop ship on people. CCP knows there are a lot of scrubs online that can't compete with talented players. That's why there are so many one hit kill weapons in this game. Scrubs are the majority. Scrubs are where the money is at. Make them have fun and they will buy the add ons. No talent required. After reading this post, I'm not sure what to think... Being an EVE player for years, I think I need to say, if you got a problem with dropships landing on you, you'll have a bigger problem when your team's space gun is disarmed, (Or worse, the company that hired you, doesn't even have one on the ground) and some other team has orbital bombardment support from an EVE alliance... In EVE, ccp provides the "potential for balance" but it's definitely not gauranteed. You might be the only dude on the ground, and you might only have a militia suit, if someone other team has the ability to call in an orbital strike on you, and even if it costs them more to call in that strike than you would have to spend for a gazilion lifetimes in a milita suit... it's likely someone would do it just for lols, because you're right, it's not war, but you're wrong, it's not a game, it's EVE.
Yeah, I'm sure - and that would be funny. If I was on the receiving end I would still laugh. I've never played EVE but I doubt it matters. About 35,000 players log into EVE a day. As for CoD just for PS3? Five-hundred thousand a day.
If CCP wants our devotion and money, they will change for us, not the other way around. I hope this game is not like CoD, but what I am saying is players won't play a game that isn't balanced. Especially if the game didn't cost anything to play anyway. People payed money for MAG, the faction known as SVER ran everything from the moment it was released, and now no one plays MAG. It was basically dead within 2 years and that was the BIGGEST online FPS ever released - specifically geared to having a massive player base. |
Asher Night
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.16 04:49:00 -
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Zero Harpuia wrote:Not to burst your bubble, Mr. Asher, but those 500,000 people playing CoD will abandon it as soon as next year's CoD is released, faster if some other large FPS comes out in the meantime. Meanwhile, those 35,000 at any given time, lets assume it's 35k period for arguments sake, have been paying 15 USD a month for several years in a persistent experience. That added to the fact that EVE supplies a unique experience compared to the more mundane FPS mechanics of whichever CoD, and it's easy to see that the games are, at the very least, matched in terms of popularity via payment. As for DUST, it isn't just an FPS, it takes place in the world of New Eden and transplants many facets of the culture and features of the game, meaning that people come to it not because it is an FPS, but because it is the EVE FPS.
Your argument makes zero sense to me. Yeah, they'll abandon this CoD for the NEXT CoD. Your point? CoD will STILL have a larger following than EVE. I've only ever played CoD twice, but from what I understand the game is set in a way that even poor players can do well, but can not impede the progress of actual talented players, i.e., decently balanced weapons and few one hit kill methods. That is NOT how Dust is set up. In Dust, if you have better equipment, you win. If you have a vehicle and drop down on someone as he's in a firefight with 11 other people, you win. Right now it's like an elaborate game of paper, rock, scissors.
Zero Harpuia wrote:Also, sportsmanship is the action of players, not the tools given to them. A bad sport is a bad sport, no matter what toys he has at his disposal.
They can only demonstrate poor sportsmanship when GIVEN the tools. Take the ability to kill people simply by silently touching them from the sky away, and voila! You don't have to deal with one more method of people demonstrating poor sportsmanship.
Zero Harpuia wrote:As for the OP, dropship crushing is fine with me, makes him an easier target for my Forge Gun.
I'm almost 100% positive anyone that tries to make some kind of snarky comment about killing dropships that try to crush them doesn't have a 2-1 KDR, or even a good one. You just have fun playing the game, which is fine, but you aren't actually talented so that's why having a BS OHK method in the game doesn't bother you. To other people who usually do pull off at least a 2-1 KDR, it gets tedious having to run and hide from scrubs so often just because they can't shoot straight. They waste your time. Making you run, making you stick behind cover in one single area, making you wait longer before going to the objective, and making you wait to respawn after they crush you.
I always get way more kills than anyone I see trying to dropship crush, and that's probably why it bugs me. I have **** to do, plenty of people to kill and now I have to wait for your sorry ass all because you can't get a kill any other way than crashing a space ship into me. It's pathetic and it's weak. I have no sympathy for the weak  |
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