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dalik fett wrote:

Nova Knife wrote:

It would be hard from a design standpoint, and the 'story lore' that has been established would prevent it. To become a capsuleer, your body and brain get implanted with a ton of cybernetics to allow you to control ship systems from your pod. A cloned Merc's brain and bodies gets changed in a totally different way allowing the consciousness to instantly transmit when they die and for them to control their suits properly.

Yeah I can definitely see this being tough to pull off as far as implementation... but hey, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger applies to the Coders at CCP too :) And I am sure they could come up with some snazzy way to work it into the lore.

" My name is dalik fett... I am the black sheep version of my twin brother Malik. From birth I have always been living under the shadow of my brothers accomplishments. He became a pilot.... I am a mercenary. Mom and Dad always said they loved us equally, but if I have to hear 'you know your brother did ...' one more time I am going to frackin Pod myself! Pardon my language. One day I will be a pilot as well. I keep hearing about this new surgery they are offering to the troops on the frontlines that show an aptitude for flying. I just need to save up a little more ISK to pay for it. Then we will see who the favorite brother is. He wont even see my Nano Domi coming. Heh."

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dalik fett 6	Posted - 2012.07.02 13:02:00 - [1] - Quote Over the last couple of days I have been mulling this idea over in my brain and I am starting to like it more and more. When I went to create my character in Dust I giving him the same name as my EVE toon. When it said that the name was already taken I was confused for a second until I remembered that obviously these games two games are linked and so having a char in each game that is named the same would obviously cause problems. A day later I wondered if there was a way to connect a Dust Char to an active EVE char. The more I think about this idea, the more I think about this idea, the more I think about... well you get the picture. So here are some of my basic thoughts about it: - Simply put, if you have an active Eve account, you have the ability to connect that account to your PSN and then bring in existing characters from your Eve account over to your DUST account. The names, portraits, character info/backgroundstory, employment history would all come over as well. I am not sure how the ISK would work... but hopefully that would come over too. - Since DUST is seemingly going to be the planet side functionality, at least for now, of the EVE universe, it could be set up so that an EVE/DUST linked toon could only be logged into one game at a time. If you are playing EVE as that char then you can't play DUST as that same char and vice versa. Eve player docks his hyperion and logs, stands up, goes to couch, sits, logs into DUST grabs his assault rifle and grenades and joins the ground war chaos. - Since the markets are going to be connected you could even have your EVE building items for himself to use in DUST, some kind of shared assets section would be cool. - This might even encourage older EVE players (like myself) to reactivate their EVE accounts just so they can play Dust as their EVE toon. - If this is something that they have already admitted to being the plan... someone please slap me. What are your thoughts? Am I completely out of my mind here? malik_fett
RPGio BetaMax. 34	Posted - 2012.07.02 13:07:00 - [2] - Quote Dust = Ground forces EvE = Airforce I don't think it makes sense to have the same warrior on both sides.
dalik fett 6	Posted - 2012.07.02 13:16:00 - [3] - Quote If you were immortal wouldn't you get bored of flying in space all of the time and want to join the ground war party every now and then? malik_fett
Freyar Tarkin Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 95	Posted - 2012.07.02 13:18:00 - [4] - Quote dalik fett wrote: If you were immortal wouldn't you get bored of flying in space all of the time and want to join the ground war party every now and then? malik_fett Hell no.. I make a crapton more than those stupid little clones on the ground do.
Nova Knife Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 789	Posted - 2012.07.02 13:20:00 - [5] - Quote It would be hard from a design standpoint, and the 'story lore' that has been established would prevent it. To become a capsuleer, your body and brain get implanted with a ton of cybernetics to allow you to control ship systems from your pod. A cloned Merc's brain and bodies gets changed in a totally different way allowing the consciousness to instantly transmit when they die and for them to control their suits properly.
dalik fett 6	Posted - 2012.07.02 13:21:00 - [6] - Quote Freyar Tarkin wrote: Hell no.. I make a crapton more than those stupid little clones on the ground do. It isn't all about the ISK! .... I lied it's all about the ISK. malik_fett
dalik fett 6	Posted - 2012.07.02 13:28:00 - [7] - Quote Nova Knife wrote: It would be hard from a design standpoint, and the 'story lore' that has been established would prevent it. To become a capsuleer, your body and brain get implanted with a ton of cybernetics to allow you to control ship systems from your pod. A cloned Merc's brain and bodies gets changed in a totally different way allowing the consciousness to instantly transmit when they die and for them to control their suits properly. Yeah I can definitely see this being tough to pull off as far as implementation... but hey, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger applies to the Coders at CCP too :) And I am sure they could come up with some snazzy way to work it into the lore. " My name is dalik fett... I am the black sheep version of my twin brother Malik. From birth I have always been living under the shadow of my brothers accomplishments. He became a pilot.... I am a mercenary. Mom and Dad always said they loved us equally, but if I have to hear 'you know your brother did ...' one more time I am going to frackin Pod myself! Pardon my language. One day I will be a pilot as well. I keep hearing about this new surgery they are offering to the troops on the frontlines that show an aptitude for flying. I just need to save up a little more ISK to pay for it. Then we will see who the favorite brother is. He wont even see my Nano Domi coming. Heh." malik_fett
S-Park Finner 1	Posted - 2012.07.02 13:47:00 - [8] - Quote I agree with @dalik fett that some fiction could be created to make the different clone systems work -- "cerebral mapping of the mental patterns to the alternative systems" or whatever. My concern would be more about the integration of the economic systems. I suspect it will be a long way down the road before the earning power of a capsuleer would not significantly overwhelm the merc's earning power. Essentially unlimited funds would certainly impact the merc's ability to compete. OTOH... alliances between EVE and DUST 514 corps can have much of the same effect. Though in that case the dynamic between the two games would be very different -- driving more toward group integration rather than lone-wolf styles.
Iceyburnz 316	Posted - 2012.07.02 13:48:00 - [9] - Quote dalik fett wrote: If you were immortal wouldn't you get bored of flying in space all of the time and want to join the ground war party every now and then? malik_fett You do, but its not represented in the game engine. Just like how their are crew, but their role is insignificant and not figured in ship stats.
Raph Zetter World Eaterz 15	Posted - 2012.07.02 13:51:00 - [10] - Quote Capusleers and Mercs use completely different cloning tech (a Capsuleer is only immortal in the pod but a Merc is immortal until he runs out of clones or the cloning infrastructure fails him for some reason) Technically the 'transfer' you propose would only work the other way around (i.e. DUST to EVE) from a canon point of view since it shouldn't matter where a Merc dies (range of cloning tech notwithstanding) so he could be in a pod. These issues are more of less covered in the EVE books The Burning Life and Templar One

dalik fett 6	Posted - 2012.07.02 13:55:00 - [11] - Quote Raph Zetter wrote: Capusleers and Mercs use completely different cloning tech (a Capsuleer is only immortal in the pod but a Merc is immortal until he runs out of clones or the cloning infrastructure fails him for some reason) Technically the 'transfer' you propose would only work the other way around (i.e. DUST to EVE) from a canon point of view since it shouldn't matter where a Merc dies (range of cloning tech notwithstanding) so he could be in a pod. These issues are more of less covered in the EVE books The Burning Life and Templar One Right... but basically what I am trying to say is I think it would be cool to be able to play DUST as my EVE character and I am sure they could come up with some way to work that in to the LORE for those that cared about that kind of thing. S-Park Finner wrote: My concern would be more about the integration of the economic systems. This would definitely be my main concern as well. malik_fett
Raph Zetter World Eaterz 15	Posted - 2012.07.02 14:57:00 - [12] - Quote dalik fett wrote: Right... but basically what I am trying to say is I think it would be cool to be able to play DUST as my EVE character and I am sure they could come up with some way to work that in to the LORE for those that cared about that kind of thing. But then how would you dual box and orbital strike the planet?
dalik fett 6	Posted - 2012.07.02 15:10:00 - [13] - Quote Raph Zetter wrote: But then how would you dual box and orbital strike the planet? Now that is one hell of a good point. Separate characters? Also one would not have to do this, I would just like the option :) malik_fett
Ender Storm Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 50	Posted - 2012.07.02 17:16:00 - [14] - Quote dalik fett wrote: Nova Knife wrote: It would be hard from a design standpoint, and the 'story lore' that has been established would prevent it. To become a capsuleer, your body and brain get implanted with a ton of cybernetics to allow you to control ship systems from your pod. A cloned Merc's brain and bodies gets changed in a totally different way allowing the consciousness to instantly transmit when they die and for them to control their suits properly. Yeah I can definitely see this being tough to pull off as far as implementation... but hey, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger applies to the Coders at CCP too :) And I am sure they could come up with some snazzy way to work it into the lore. " My name is dalik fett... I am the black sheep version of my twin brother Malik. From birth I have always been living under the shadow of my brothers accomplishments. He became a pilot.... I am a mercenary. Mom and Dad always said they loved us equally, but if I have to hear 'you know your brother did ...' one more time I am going to frackin Pod myself! Pardon my language. One day I will be a pilot as well. I keep hearing about this new surgery they are offering to the troops on the frontlines that show an aptitude for flying. I just need to save up a little more ISK to pay for it. Then we will see who the favorite brother is. He wont even see my Nano Domi coming. Heh." malik_fett I dont see it as a problem per se. Both capsulers and mercs have their consiousnes transfered at the moment of death into clones. And the conection between a brain and the machinery, being it a dropsuit or a ship not necessarily must be diferent, its just a interface into the brain, a USB of sorts. Or even having diferent kind of clones, space and earth types, equiped with diferent stuff for its diferent tasks. All that matters anyway is conciousnes. The flesh its in is irelevant. Our "brain OS" could be installed at anyplace. If CCP wanted to do it, damn well they could come up with a unified tech that wouls allow for this.
dalik fett 6	Posted - 2012.07.02 20:47:00 - [15] - Quote But will/are they? CCP I DEMAND AN ANSWER! lol, just playing CCP do your thing. I will happily take everything you give me. I love you. Oh except this "Draft Saved" thing that keeps moving this box that I am typing in.... please change that. It is really starting to aggravate me! malik_fett
Max Trichomes Quantum Kittens Syndicate 68	Posted - 2012.07.02 20:57:00 - [16] - Quote Raph Zetter wrote: Capusleers and Mercs use completely different cloning tech (a Capsuleer is only immortal in the pod but a Merc is immortal until he runs out of clones or the cloning infrastructure fails him for some reason) Technically the 'transfer' you propose would only work the other way around (i.e. DUST to EVE) from a canon point of view since it shouldn't matter where a Merc dies (range of cloning tech notwithstanding) so he could be in a pod. These issues are more of less covered in the EVE books The Burning Life and Templar One I actually agree with you, and would rather not see chars being in both games. Much like you said, it doesn't fit in with Eve lore. With that being said, wouldn't be the first time CCP went way against Eve lore. Have they ever explained the Captain's Quarters from a lore point of view? I thought capsulteers could never leave their capsules, that's where their immortality comes from. Yet for some reason every time I dock I like to get out of my immortality pod and walk around.
Myles Aarne Amarrican Ground Forces I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth 22	Posted - 2012.07.02 21:04:00 - [17] - Quote OP, you did realize that CCP is working on a "boarding stations" aspect of EVE (though it's ages away)? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=126698&p=3 Bah, that link looks broke. Go to the EVE Online forums, look under "EVE General Discussion," and search for the "Incarna/WiS Disappointment" thread.
RolyatDerTeufel D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION 1648	Posted - 2012.07.02 22:23:00 - [18] - Quote RPGio wrote: Dust = Ground forces EvE = Airforce I don't think it makes sense to have the same warrior on both sides. Link your dust merc in you EVE toons bio when we can. I plan on doing it so that i'm able to be contacted easily on both games. But i need to be contacted with my roles in my corp and alliance. Some people wil ljust do it cause they can and they want people to know they are on both sides of New Edens wars.
Primus Core Brimstone Tactical Covert Intervention 22	Posted - 2012.07.03 06:36:00 - [19] - Quote I would like to point out that according to the lore, EVE capsuleers and Dust mercs have completely different neural implants. You would be restructuring your brain altogether every time you wanted to switch MOSs.
Bhal Jhor Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 23	Posted - 2012.07.03 07:09:00 - [20] - Quote I tried to send my DUST character isk from my EvE character, but when I went to look up the name of my DUST character in EvE it told me no such character existed. I was disappoint.

Raph Zetter World Eaterz 15	Posted - 2012.07.03 16:26:00 - [21] - Quote Ender Storm wrote: I dont see it as a problem per se. Both capsulers and mercs have their consiousnes transfered at the moment of death into clones. And the conection between a brain and the machinery, being it a dropsuit or a ship not necessarily must be diferent, its just a interface into the brain, a USB of sorts. Or even having diferent kind of clones, space and earth types, equiped with diferent stuff for its diferent tasks. All that matters anyway is conciousnes. The flesh its in is irelevant. Our "brain OS" could be installed at anyplace. If CCP wanted to do it, damn well they could come up with a unified tech that wouls allow for this. While CCP are of course free to disregard their existing canon the Capsuleer cloning limitations are explained here: http://community.eveonline.com/background/eggers/egg_02.asp Max Trichomes wrote: I actually agree with you, and would rather not see chars being in both games. Much like you said, it doesn't fit in with Eve lore. With that being said, wouldn't be the first time CCP went way against Eve lore. Have they ever explained the Captain's Quarters from a lore point of view? I thought capsulteers could never leave their capsules, that's where their immortality comes from. Yet for some reason every time I dock I like to get out of my immortality pod and walk around. You're absolutely right, once outside of the pod your capsuleer is mortal (this features in the book The Burning Life). Mercs on the other hand use either stolen sleeper tech (Amarr) or a reverse engineered copy of it (this features in the book Templar One) and can in theory die anywhere as long as they are in range of the cloning tech (I don't think this is ever stated in the book but the implication the range is short, certainly not the interstellar distances capsuleer tech can achieve - presumably technology could overcome this) and the person has a waiting clone (with another implant). One of the Dust promo videos even shows a capsuleer being killed while outside his (its implied this is aboard a station/space elevator)
Sona Nara Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.07.03 16:35:00 - [22] - Quote The Eve pod pilots are suspended in a pod of goo with cables wired into their spine. You can see the ports in Eve's Captains Quarters. They're not physically adept people. Dust's mercenaries are completely different. They wouldn't even be able to fly the ships in Eve.
NaglfarBP Opus Arcana Orion Empire 24	Posted - 2012.07.03 16:53:00 - [23] - Quote Trade my 1400mm Howitzers for a dinky AR?!
Ender Storm Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 50	Posted - 2012.07.04 01:21:00 - [24] - Quote Well, all i know is that when incarna came up and i was making my character, the most exiting thing i could think about it was using it down the road fighting in Dust. After they said that was not hapening, Incarna became a total piece of crap, in the sense that it was useles. We fly spaceships in EVE, if my complex and awesome avatar, made in the best character creator i have seen to date, wasnt going to serve for it, why have it at all... Its still cool, but could be cooler.


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