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XUnholyBlazeX
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Posted - 2012.07.01 23:14:00 -
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Drop ships should not be able to lands on roofs cause the last game i was in the attacking team had drop ships on the roofs camping the respawn areas killing making it impossible to respawn |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
3064
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Posted - 2012.07.01 23:18:00 -
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Or you could spawn with swarm launcher and shoot it a couple times. |
triteboon
WARRIORS 1NC
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Posted - 2012.07.01 23:21:00 -
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XUnholyBlazeX wrote:Drop ships should not be able to lands on roofs cause the last game i was in the attacking team had drop ships on the roofs camping the respawn areas killing making it impossible to respawn
+1 |
Vetis Cato
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
250
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Posted - 2012.07.01 23:27:00 -
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them i can live with. i can fight them
its the f*****rs who sit in a drop ship above spawn points. drop it as soon as you spawn killing you before you can mve out from under it. 0 chance to do anything at all |
sendeth
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2012.07.01 23:54:00 -
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getting sick of people who whine about people on the roofs of the towers. adds to the realism. ccp please add more towers to set up forward bases to spawn at.
you sir, for complaining about the towers, get a -1 and a penalty of 10 internets. |
Kitt 514
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
94
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Posted - 2012.07.01 23:59:00 -
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i actually love it when people do this.
easy pickings for my forge gun. |
Tobi night
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.02 00:09:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Or you could spawn with swarm launcher and shoot it a couple times.
assault forge gune is my preferred method |
Tobi night
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.07.02 00:15:00 -
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sendeth wrote:getting sick of people who whine about people on the roofs of the towers. adds to the realism. ccp please add more towers to set up forward bases to spawn at.
you sir, for complaining about the towers, get a -1 and a penalty of 10 internets.
please, show me a video where some guy takes a apache, lands it on the roof of a sfyscraper, and then switches seats into the gunners position and proceeds to just rain down hell.
its not a big problem for myself, because i tend to run with a forge gune, but it is a imbalance in the gameplay, since the door guns have huge splash, can kill assault suits in 1/2 hits, and have infinite ammo, futhermore, find me a video of somene getting a tank air lifted onto the top of a building...it just doesn't happen, calling in a ground vehicle on the roof of a building should bring up a warning saying that its a unacceptable drop point, and the drop ship on buildings need to also be fixxed,
stating it's not a problem, or stating that its "realistic" is just foolish, and a copout, because you can't actually bring any real argument to the table. |
Victor Voychek
Inner Shadow C.L.O.N.E.
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Posted - 2012.07.02 01:17:00 -
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well im glad to finly see a thread abut this ied say one fix cud be dropship guns go offline if thars no pilot i love flying my dropship let me say it again i FLY my dropship
if the thars no pilot its not going anywar it dusint need guns so no pilot no guns
as for the ones on the towers you cant hit thim with swarm launcher anyway its any exploit to be up thar if you ask me and you did |
Daxos Cavaletto
IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback
74
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Posted - 2012.07.02 02:01:00 -
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Victor Voychek wrote:well im glad to finly see a thread abut this ied say one fix cud be dropship guns go offline if thars no pilot i love flying my dropship let me say it again i FLY my dropship if the thars no pilot its not going anywar it dusint need guns so no pilot no guns as for the ones on the towers you cant hit thim with swarm launcher anyway its any exploit to be up thar if you ask me and you did
it's not an exploit as the swarm launcher missiles hit the building not the ship. This is because the track the missles take not an exploit. I can hit them with swarms if they are hanging off edge easy. If not FORGE GUN.
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TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
157
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Posted - 2012.07.02 02:26:00 -
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Lower the dropship ceiling.Win at life. |
TotalBreakage
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
410
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Posted - 2012.07.02 03:16:00 -
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XUnholyBlazeX wrote:Drop ships should not be able to lands on roofs cause the last game i was in the attacking team had drop ships on the roofs camping the respawn areas killing making it impossible to respawn This is soooo fun, especially with upgraded missile launchers. I started doing it the second day of the 2.0 patch because I needed to save my 100,000 ISK ship because I was low on money. You really can't see **** from up there, only the red arrows above people's heads, so it takes some skill to be able to kill people. I dont really do it too much, because I was never really like to sit still in FPS games, so I usually just fly my ship around if I call it down.
But, dont complain about this, because I have easily been taken out of there by forge guns and even snipers shooting me off the turret. |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
157
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Posted - 2012.07.02 03:25:00 -
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TotalBreakage wrote:XUnholyBlazeX wrote:Drop ships should not be able to lands on roofs cause the last game i was in the attacking team had drop ships on the roofs camping the respawn areas killing making it impossible to respawn This is soooo fun, especially with upgraded missile launchers. I started doing it the second day of the 2.0 patch because I needed to save my 100,000 ISK ship because I was low on money. You really can't see **** from up there, only the red arrows above people's heads, so it takes some skill to be able to kill people. I dont really do it too much, because I was never really like to sit still in FPS games, so I usually just fly my ship around if I call it down. But, dont complain about this, because I have easily been taken out of there by forge guns and even snipers shooting me off the turret.
More often than not, I'll be at the end of a missile scope while rollin' in my HAV. I understand that dropships should be able to evade fire by staying out of the tanks FoV, but... isn't camping in a ship so far out that you can only tell where people are with indicators a bit excessive? I was just in a match where there were three dropships doing this. Was driving into the center of the map and all I saw were streams of missiles crossing each other going into the ground. It's getting out of hand. |
sendeth
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2012.07.02 03:27:00 -
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Tobi night wrote:sendeth wrote:getting sick of people who whine about people on the roofs of the towers. adds to the realism. ccp please add more towers to set up forward bases to spawn at.
you sir, for complaining about the towers, get a -1 and a penalty of 10 internets. please, show me a video where some guy takes a apache, lands it on the roof of a sfyscraper, and then switches seats into the gunners position and proceeds to just rain down hell. its not a big problem for myself, because i tend to run with a forge gune, but it is a imbalance in the gameplay, since the door guns have huge splash, can kill assault suits in 1/2 hits, and have infinite ammo, futhermore, find me a video of somene getting a tank air lifted onto the top of a building...it just doesn't happen, calling in a ground vehicle on the roof of a building should bring up a warning saying that its a unacceptable drop point, and the drop ship on buildings need to also be fixxed, stating it's not a problem, or stating that its "realistic" is just foolish, and a copout, because you can't actually bring any real argument to the table.
i'll quote professor farnsworth..." why not? it's the future!"
a better fix to all your complaints about this stuff is get off you a55's and go get the ships. every drop ship you guys see doing this are like big juicy points flying around. i could complain about hav's sitting the distance wrecking my stationary turret, but no, if i see someone doing something a lot, i will go get them. if you don't like drop ships up there, get your happy a55 up there and do some killing. if i see lots of people doing it, i will go up and wait with a swarm launcher and watch the points roll in. or, and this is really funny, sneak up behind them in a drop ship and ram them off the edge. they will switch seats all the way down. |
TotalBreakage
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
410
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Posted - 2012.07.02 03:28:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:TotalBreakage wrote:XUnholyBlazeX wrote:Drop ships should not be able to lands on roofs cause the last game i was in the attacking team had drop ships on the roofs camping the respawn areas killing making it impossible to respawn This is soooo fun, especially with upgraded missile launchers. I started doing it the second day of the 2.0 patch because I needed to save my 100,000 ISK ship because I was low on money. You really can't see **** from up there, only the red arrows above people's heads, so it takes some skill to be able to kill people. I dont really do it too much, because I was never really like to sit still in FPS games, so I usually just fly my ship around if I call it down. But, dont complain about this, because I have easily been taken out of there by forge guns and even snipers shooting me off the turret. More often than not, I'll be at the end of a missile scope while rollin' in my HAV. I understand that dropships should be able to evade fire by staying out of the tanks FoV, but... isn't camping in a ship so far out that you can only tell where people are with indicators a bit excessive? I was just in a match where there were three dropships doing this. Was driving into the center of the map and all I saw were streams of missiles crossing each other going into the ground. It's getting out of hand. Track the trajectory of the missle back to the ship, and shoot it down. If any body makes an effort, they can easily take those ships down.
If I was a sniper I would love these, I would be popping those gunners out of their turrets all day. |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
157
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Posted - 2012.07.02 03:35:00 -
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TotalBreakage wrote:TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:TotalBreakage wrote:XUnholyBlazeX wrote:Drop ships should not be able to lands on roofs cause the last game i was in the attacking team had drop ships on the roofs camping the respawn areas killing making it impossible to respawn This is soooo fun, especially with upgraded missile launchers. I started doing it the second day of the 2.0 patch because I needed to save my 100,000 ISK ship because I was low on money. You really can't see **** from up there, only the red arrows above people's heads, so it takes some skill to be able to kill people. I dont really do it too much, because I was never really like to sit still in FPS games, so I usually just fly my ship around if I call it down. But, dont complain about this, because I have easily been taken out of there by forge guns and even snipers shooting me off the turret. More often than not, I'll be at the end of a missile scope while rollin' in my HAV. I understand that dropships should be able to evade fire by staying out of the tanks FoV, but... isn't camping in a ship so far out that you can only tell where people are with indicators a bit excessive? I was just in a match where there were three dropships doing this. Was driving into the center of the map and all I saw were streams of missiles crossing each other going into the ground. It's getting out of hand. Track the trajectory of the missle back to the ship, and shoot it down. If any body makes an effort, they can easily take those ships down. If I was a sniper I would love these, I would be popping those gunners out of their turrets all day.
See though, I'm in a tank and can't aim that high, and no one else is gonna save me because of the lack of communication. If by chance some forge gunner sees the trajectory, yea, it's easy pickings for him, but that's not always the case.
The thing is... this kind of camping is rediculous. I'm pretty sure that it'll happen less when militia vehicles are gone, but until then... yea, this is an issue :v |
TotalBreakage
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
410
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Posted - 2012.07.02 03:45:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:TotalBreakage wrote:TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:TotalBreakage wrote:XUnholyBlazeX wrote:Drop ships should not be able to lands on roofs cause the last game i was in the attacking team had drop ships on the roofs camping the respawn areas killing making it impossible to respawn This is soooo fun, especially with upgraded missile launchers. I started doing it the second day of the 2.0 patch because I needed to save my 100,000 ISK ship because I was low on money. You really can't see **** from up there, only the red arrows above people's heads, so it takes some skill to be able to kill people. I dont really do it too much, because I was never really like to sit still in FPS games, so I usually just fly my ship around if I call it down. But, dont complain about this, because I have easily been taken out of there by forge guns and even snipers shooting me off the turret. More often than not, I'll be at the end of a missile scope while rollin' in my HAV. I understand that dropships should be able to evade fire by staying out of the tanks FoV, but... isn't camping in a ship so far out that you can only tell where people are with indicators a bit excessive? I was just in a match where there were three dropships doing this. Was driving into the center of the map and all I saw were streams of missiles crossing each other going into the ground. It's getting out of hand. Track the trajectory of the missle back to the ship, and shoot it down. If any body makes an effort, they can easily take those ships down. If I was a sniper I would love these, I would be popping those gunners out of their turrets all day. See though, I'm in a tank and can't aim that high, and no one else is gonna save me because of the lack of communication. If by chance some forge gunner sees the trajectory, yea, it's easy pickings for him, but that's not always the case. The thing is... this kind of camping is rediculous. I'm pretty sure that it'll happen less when militia vehicles are gone, but until then... yea, this is an issue :v Yeah militia vehicles are definitely contributing to this. Whenever Im up there, I like to think I provide fire support to my team, I mostly get assists and never camp spawns, but I also have over 800,000 SP put into my dropship(120,00 ISK each), which shows I am committed to it, bringing a militia drop ship up there to farm kills should be frowned upon. |
Victor Voychek
Inner Shadow C.L.O.N.E.
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Posted - 2012.07.02 04:10:00 -
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Daxos Cavaletto wrote:Victor Voychek wrote:well im glad to finly see a thread abut this ied say one fix cud be dropship guns go offline if thars no pilot i love flying my dropship let me say it again i FLY my dropship if the thars no pilot its not going anywar it dusint need guns so no pilot no guns as for the ones on the towers you cant hit thim with swarm launcher anyway its any exploit to be up thar if you ask me and you did it's not an exploit as the swarm launcher missiles hit the building not the ship. This is because the track the missles take not an exploit. I can hit them with swarms if they are hanging off edge easy. If not FORGE GUN. ok now im angery at other things i see wut you saying your blaming the launcher im just saying ppl and ships dont belong on the top of those towers at all. i did it and i felt like i wus cheating my we continue this in pm's if we must |
Naustradamus Oracle
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
61
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Posted - 2012.07.02 04:18:00 -
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I personally don't see a problem with it ... sure. it's a pain in the ass when your on the receiving end, but it's not a glitch, it's a tactic ... all you need is another person on your side to launch their own ship and then blow it up with anyone on the roof. This isn't a gun fight, this is a battlefield ... adapt or die.
When the game is farther along and we have corp vs corp matches, this will really be a non issue, just another front to take care off |
Donis Konner
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.07.02 04:21:00 -
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I really feel like it's ok if in the end the draw distance is fixed so that we can see the ships up there and can hit them with some sort of launcher.
IMHO The Swarm launcher should attack drop ships by streaking straight up and then dropping down on the ship. This would take care of the missiles getting "hung" on the towers. |
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Bhal Jhor
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.07.02 04:27:00 -
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Last round I was upset about the dearth of good sniping posts on the map. This round... I kinda feel sorry for the chumps that walk under my scope.
It seems a lot of would-be dropship pilots don't know how to get the dropship up that high, which is why more isn't being done about it. In a non pick-up match it would seem that any well-formed team would have a dropship or two on overwatch. |
sendeth
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2012.07.02 04:38:00 -
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Bhal Jhor wrote:Last round I was upset about the dearth of good sniping posts on the map. This round... I kinda feel sorry for the chumps that walk under my scope.
It seems a lot of would-be dropship pilots don't know how to get the dropship up that high, which is why more isn't being done about it. In a non pick-up match it would seem that any well-formed team would have a dropship or two on overwatch.
funny, i just posted a thread on "swimming" straight up in the drop ship. only way to get up that high in any reasonable amount of time. |
Brick Schitthawse
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.07.02 04:47:00 -
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Well, this is a pain, I have noticed it's not happening anywhere near as much as most people have cottoned on to how to stop it. What's worse is a well piloted dropship and good gunners sweeping the battlefield. |
Zach Shanna
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
77
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Posted - 2012.07.02 04:51:00 -
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Brick Schitthawse wrote:Well, this is a pain, I have noticed it's not happening anywhere near as much as most people have cottoned on to how to stop it. What's worse is a well piloted dropship and good gunners sweeping the battlefield. Well that's part of the game and you cant really stop that without taking out dropships |
Garis Turaun
Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.07.02 09:02:00 -
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Whats the difference between a piloted dropship with a gunner flying at the height of the towers, and a Drop-ship on top of the tower with no pilot just a gunner?
Answer The drop-ship ON the tower is a sitting duck and cannot easily get away if you fire at it.
It really confuses me as to how people see the dropships up there and instead of Saying to themselves "what tactic can i employ to counteract their tactic?" They start whining that its unfair they can do it in the first place.
Look if i can do it you can too. And if we can do it anyone can do it. And if anyone can do it, there's sure as heck a way to counteract it.
The most amusing argument ive read against this tactic is that its not realistic... Really? REALLY?
You are playing a Mercenary that is Immortal through the use of cloning hopping between alien worlds to fight proxy wars for other people that like you are also immortal via cloning but unlike you cannot survive on a planets surface and are permanently remanded to hermetically sealed space pods with the exception of their personal quarters on a space station. Your weapons include Nuclear powered handheld Laser cannons and Mass launchers whose ammunition can be replenished by nano machines.
But landing a drop-ship on a tower breaks the realism of the game for you...?
Just wait till they implement the Orbital Strikes... |
Primus Core
Brimstone Tactical Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2012.07.02 09:17:00 -
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We call this tactical advantage. And to respond to an earlier quote, the thing is that these AREN'T Apaches, they're more like Viper support choppers, which usually have enormous 50 caliber mini-guns mounted on the sides that can chew just about anything they see to shreds. They tend to have explosive rounds too, meaning just about anything even near the bullets is mulch. If you needed a turret and your only option was to use the chopper turret, you'd use it.
On top of that, it is ridiculously easy to counter-attack people sitting on the rooftops with vehicles. If you die, respawn with a swarm launcher and shoot the thing a few times. If it's up on the tower and outside of the horrendously short draw distance, call in a militia dropship, fly up there and knock the thing off of the tower.
For the matter of people crush-camping spawns, yeah, that really needs fixed. There are already a number of threads attempting to discuss how to resolve the issue with crushing. |
Codename BG 47
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
47
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Posted - 2012.07.02 10:03:00 -
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Well...I sit on the roof, but not all the time, I've start doing this when I saw guy in dropship turret spaming rockets in to spawnpoint A...I shot him with 1 bullet . When I saw him second time, so I just set there on the next tower defending B/C and killing this guy. Also they are easy targets for swarms when climbing around Just get swarm on the beginning, and wait 40s (this is time the attackers need to get dropship and fly up, good pilot do it in 20s )
I also find funny killing guys on MCC If I can't hit them, I just take my dropship and....lets say...help them to integrate with MCCs armor |
Zach Shanna
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
77
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Posted - 2012.07.02 12:30:00 -
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Garis Turaun wrote:Whats the difference between a piloted dropship with a gunner flying at the height of the towers, and a Drop-ship on top of the tower with no pilot just a gunner?
Answer The drop-ship ON the tower is a sitting duck and cannot easily get away if you fire at it.
It really confuses me as to how people see the dropships up there and instead of Saying to themselves "what tactic can i employ to counteract their tactic?" They start whining that its unfair they can do it in the first place.
Look if i can do it you can too. And if we can do it anyone can do it. And if anyone can do it, there's sure as heck a way to counteract it.
The most amusing argument ive read against this tactic is that its not realistic... Really? REALLY?
You are playing a Mercenary that is Immortal through the use of cloning hopping between alien worlds to fight proxy wars for other people that like you are also immortal via cloning but unlike you cannot survive on a planets surface and are permanently remanded to hermetically sealed space pods with the exception of their personal quarters on a space station. Your weapons include Nuclear powered handheld Laser cannons and Mass launchers whose ammunition can be replenished by nano machines.
But landing a drop-ship on a tower breaks the realism of the game for you...?
Just wait till they implement the Orbital Strikes... I think it's not the fact that they can land on the towers.... Its that they use the dropships to spawn kill because it has a ridiculously powerful gun and I agree that there's nothing you can do about it. Obviously having a dropship on a tower nowhere near spawn points is an easy target.
As for realism, that is the most ridiculous argument to cover up the fact that "they keep dying and it's just not fair". This is a sci fi game so how much realism can you have to start off with |
zekina zek
D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire
108
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Posted - 2012.07.02 12:35:00 -
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but then there has to be a way for a SKILLEd pilot to avoid swarm launchers. you have no idea how many times i have been 1 shotted by swarm launcher or forge guns. it takes some practice to start being able to move around consistantly and in a random pattern that you dont get shot as often.
and i love taking my dropship and attacking the other dropship in the SNIPERS NEST. those buildings are all basically snipers nests. i even take team mates up there drop them off, put out a nano hive for them and take off.
i patrol the skies with my dropship and make sure the other team isnt sniping from up there.
its basically using a vehicle as a sniper. all you got to do is take out the snipers nest.
this gives a lot more Dimension to the game and i really like it.
you really have to think about where you park your tank when your going to start beseiging a point. you cant just park out in the open and not expect to get shot at.
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Johnny Guilt
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
50
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Posted - 2012.07.02 12:36:00 -
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iv seen this happan and iv had no problems dealing with these camping dropships since iv specialized towards anti vehicles instead of anti troop,If you dont have people like me on your team your going to have a problem with dropships and tanks all game. |
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Iceyburnz
316
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Posted - 2012.07.02 13:32:00 -
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Swarm Launcher is your friend.
Immobile paper thin dropships = dead dropship. |
Datura Sandatsu
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2012.07.02 13:43:00 -
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Im fully against this being changed.
Ive never parked a drop **** on a roof for the sake of killing with it. Only done it to kill others up there.
But i would hate to have that restriction. Its good to be able to get on the roof. Anyone with common sense can kill someone who is camped up there.
And changing the height that Dropships could go is stupid, Because the buildings in question arent even high up. |
BAD FURRY
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
247
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Posted - 2012.07.02 13:46:00 -
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XUnholyBlazeX wrote:Drop ships should not be able to lands on roofs cause the last game i was in the attacking team had drop ships on the roofs camping the respawn areas killing making it impossible to respawn
let me gest you were the one crying over the mic in the game saying "THERE CHEATING " to rite ? |
KEROSIINI-TERO
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
248
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Posted - 2012.07.02 13:55:00 -
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Dropships in general work very very well.
Dropship crushing IS something that needs fixing https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=24029 Spawn camping is an issue (until fixed).
Combining those two issues... Crush-camping dropships ARE a serious problem.
(worse than normal spawn camping, in those cases you can take buffered up suit to have a fighting chance. If spawn points would be bit randomized as expected, then it would be easy to bring swarm launchers to counter) |
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